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View Poll Results: What do u think of the new rule
Terrible The game is now ruined 13 12.50%
Not the best Admin desicion ever 27 25.96%
Dont care, doesnt affect me 12 11.54%
Neccesery 32 30.77%
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Unread 25 Nov 2005, 18:02   #1
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Good, Bad, Dont Care

I am just very curious as to what the general feeling in the community is about the new rule that had to be implemented so i thought i would do a poll

btw i woudnt expect anything to change with the outcome of this it just might settle some arguments one way or the other
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Unread 25 Nov 2005, 18:09   #2
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

I think it was a stupid move but whatever.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

Can't say I really care one way or another about these support planets. It's a game, not a case of life and death... =/

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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

What can I say, I dont feel like being handhold by the admins when I play a game I've paid money for. I dont like the new rule. It sucks. Escpecially when you change the rules midgame.
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Unread 25 Nov 2005, 18:35   #5
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Didn't the EULA say something about "we have the right to change game-features and rules whenever we want to" or something like that?
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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Didn't the EULA say something about "we have the right to change game-features and rules whenever we want to" or something like that?

yeah , so pretty much they can do whatever the **** they want when they want because of 2 lines in the EULA but hey its what you sign up to and most things have magical lines that pretty much state the same thing.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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yeah , so pretty much they can do whatever the **** they want when they want because of 2 lines in the EULA but hey its what you sign up to and most things have magical lines that pretty much state the same thing.

Indeed. We just have to stop signing up to this game and find something else to use our money on.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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Didn't the EULA say something about "we have the right to change game-features and rules whenever we want to" or something like that?
That doesn't stop it from sucking though ^^
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

Is it just me or do some people complain about this because they have lost out?
I am sure the PA team only introduce this rule due to abuse of this "loophole"
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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Is it just me or do some people complain about this because they have lost out?
I am sure the PA team only introduce this rule due to abuse of this "loophole"
yeah pais, personally i have lost out on 8 of my multi def planets to defend my 400k cathaar ass that gets bashed daily for 70 roids.
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That doesn't stop it from sucking though ^^
Nothing in the interests of the game sucks.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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yeah pais, personally i have lost out on 8 of my multi def planets to defend my 400k cathaar ass that gets bashed daily for 70 roids.
You haven't, I suspect someone has.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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Is it just me or do some people complain about this because they have lost out?
I am sure the PA team only introduce this rule due to abuse of this "loophole"
I just think some parts of the EULA are ****ing stupid.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

This poll is a bit dumb, opinions arent very clear from the options you've given us.

Surely it should be:

1. Support the decision
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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This poll is a bit dumb, opinions arent very clear from the options you've given us.

Surely it should be:

1. Support the decision
2. Undecided
3. Against the decision
These would have been better poll answers, yes. Also, I'm not playing at the moment, but the rule to me does seem a little silly, but if it is going to benefit the game then I support the admin's decision to implement it.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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This poll is a bit dumb, opinions arent very clear from the options you've given us.

Surely it should be:

1. Support the decision
2. Undecided
3. Against the decision
In retrospect, I do realize I wrote this while angry... Apologies shyne I still like the original poll a bit better though

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Good idea shyne. Let's take out the detailed options squishy gave us to pick from, and let's put in two extremes and one useless one instead.
Detailed options? Are you reading the same poll?
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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Detailed options? Are you reading the same poll?
Hope so


"Decision sucks, the concept sucks, you lot suck."
"Can't say I agree with it, but it could have been worse"
"I don't care either way. It doesn't affect me"
"The decision was called for. If it fixes a problem, then go ahead
"Nice one PA-team, you guys did something good!"

That's how I read it.

as opposed to:

Yes.
No.
Ask me later.
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Hope so


"Decision sucks, the concept sucks, you lot suck."
"Can't say I agree with it, but it could have been worse"
"I don't care either way. It doesn't affect me"
"The decision was called for. If it fixes a problem, then go ahead
"Nice one PA-team, you guys did something good!"

That's how I read it.

as opposed to:

Yes.
No.
Ask me later.
While those would have been better options if they were worded that way, they arent, therefore what you interpret may not be interpreted the same by others. To me it seemed like, although he created the thread to find something out, he couldnt really be bothered with his poll answers so shows that he isnt really all that bothered and those options dont really show any proper results.

Maybe with these options, the poll may have been a little better:

Support the decision.
N/A - The decision doesnt affect me.
Against the decision.
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I don't care since it doesn't affect me...

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While those would have been better options if they were worded that way, they arent, therefore what you interpret may not be interpreted the same by others. To me it seemed like, although he created the thread to find something out, he couldnt really be bothered with his poll answers so shows that he isnt really all that bothered and those options dont really show any proper results.

Maybe with these options, the poll may have been a little better:

Support the decision.
N/A - The decision doesnt affect me.
Against the decision.
Reading into it a wee bit much I think mate. If he wasn't truly bothered, then chances are we wouldn't be having this conversation, due to the fact the thread wouldn't be existing right now.

And you're advocating putting an issue into black and white, when there really are a bunch of grey areas {which squishy has taken into account.} Not everyone here is an extremist... some like the happy non-committal areas

Edit: check your pm in a bit.... this is kind of off-topic I think and I doubt anyone wants to see much more of my tripe anyhoo
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

Already we can see the benefit of this rule, but I am not convinced it was properly thought through. It seems like a very simple blocking maneuvere, and I am not too keen on it to be perfectly honest.
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This poll is a bit dumb, opinions arent very clear from the options you've given us.
Indeed. At the moment it looks like the poll shows that most people is against the decision with the "Not the wisest deciscion" having most votes. But if you sum it up with the 4 main votes (not including the neutral one) then most people is against it. Though it does only reflect a few users thoughts about it. So a vote like this can imo never be counted for anything unless you can get the majority of the players to sign up on the forums.

A simple Yes/No vote would be enough tbh.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

I think the new rule is somewhat less than fantastic. ETA -1 ships are something of a loophole to the alliance size limit, but this isn't going to be a good way to 'solve' the 'problem' of people 'evading' the size limit. This is just going to reward alliances with members anal enough to report every out-of-alliance defense, and punish alliances who don't care what their opponents do, but are too busy owning.

I voted 'not the best admin decision ever'.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

I dont care it wont affect most ppl just the alliance that was abusing it wont be running away with the lead no more........

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Sorry if the poll isnt very clear

I spent ages trying to word it to include the grey areas and obviously failed but i assume most people get the general idea
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I think the new rule is somewhat less than fantastic. ETA -1 ships are something of a loophole to the alliance size limit, but this isn't going to be a good way to 'solve' the 'problem' of people 'evading' the size limit. This is just going to reward alliances with members anal enough to report every out-of-alliance defense, and punish alliances who don't care what their opponents do, but are too busy owning.

I voted 'not the best admin decision ever'.
I agree with this, infact i'll take it further.

When the playerbase that are vocal on this issue come from one side of a war, one begins to question their motives. You further question it when quite a number were part of alliances that openly welcomed escorts for their benefit, when actually these planets are not much different and in fact the only reason that they are bringing an argument to implement this rule is because it benefits them. I'd say they care more about winning than playing a 'fair' game. It's comparable to the pathetic round 7 conflict where if someone was ahead of you in the ranking, you tried to get them deleted for some reason.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

it's funny that you say that as i know for a fact those planets are reported from both sides... just 1 side is using them ALOT more then the other to say the least

and i still don't believe anyone who says they got 20 to 50 people getting up every night to send def, yet don't properly play. no way you can find players to do that who don't play the game.

and if in reality it's not nearly 20 to 50 but 3 to 8 it wouldn't be this much of a problem now would it?

the rule was clearly necessary
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

I support the decision ofc. Was called for.
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Re: Good, Bad, Dont Care

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and i still don't believe anyone who says they got 20 to 50 people getting up every night to send def, yet don't properly play. no way you can find players to do that who don't play the game.

and if in reality it's not nearly 20 to 50 but 3 to 8 it wouldn't be this much of a problem now would it?

the rule was clearly necessary
Yes, not being able to detect a large number of multis or not being able to do something about it without effecting gameplay in a significant manner is a big problem.
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