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Unread 9 Nov 2005, 10:55   #1
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G-II move up to 18th

Yes yes, we can all write posts about exil being evil (or vice versa?) or Angels not being #1 or 1up having leet forum posters, but the news today must be that G-II have moved up a place to 18th in the alliance rankings.

I believe that's the only alliance change in the last week or so, so surely that's due some discussion?

So I'll start. G-II are looking good, our avg score has slipped a bit (it was as good as any T10 alliance), but it's still one of the better avg scores for T10 - T20 alliance. The two alliances above us (Sycthe and Hidden Agenda) have lower avg scores and avg roids, but a lot more members, will be difficult to overhaul them with less members, obviously mass recruitment could give us a good total score, but we want to keep the quality when recrutiing (or maybe we can poach a few of their better members - killing two birds with one stone?).

On the organisation side, I can see our HC organising a lot more and getting a lot more things in place. We're becoming more organised and regularly will hit T20 galaxies. With a few more weeks to run I can us rising some more places up the rankings.
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Re: G-II move up to 18th

Nice.

Good luck Pawn them t20 gals and eX and Angels + 1up in there
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Hehe, nice job G-II. Eventhough this is not the only alliance rank change this week as even the #1-2 switched only2-3 days ago

(see how I switch the attention back to Angels/exi mmm ) j/k ofc
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Well done on your amazing achievement, all of us over at NewDawn send our congratulations.
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Good to see G-II is satisfied with their rank eventhough it ain't in the far top Have a good round dudes and dudettes
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On behalf of VGN, I'd like to offer our greetings to LCH. Apologies if you get dust in your eyes, we'll be passing you soon.
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Re: G-II move up to 18th

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I believe that's the only alliance change in the last week or so, so surely that's due some discussion?
xVx has just overtaken TGV for the position of 6th spot - mind, TGV still has a higher average score.

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Hehe, nice job G-II. Eventhough this is not the only alliance rank change this week as even the #1-2 switched only2-3 days ago

(see how I switch the attention back to Angels/exi mmm ) j/k ofc
you should have said something about "the lite shines bright on exil"
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Hehe, nice job G-II. Eventhough this is not the only alliance rank change this week as even the #1-2 switched only2-3 days ago

(see how I switch the attention back to Angels/exi mmm ) j/k ofc
Yeah but that was a temporary thing only (and unlikey to be repeated?)
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Re: G-II move up to 18th

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xVx has just overtaken TGV for the position of 6th spot - mind, TGV still has a higher average score.

Lo furbeh, <3
See you go and find a bit of free space to discuss an up and coming alliance, and some evil T10 alliances decide to muscle in on the low PR/trolling week with news of their own.

Go find your own days to get PR, Wednesday's is officially T10 - T20 alliance news days
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TGV is kind of an up and coming alliance aswell.

Anyways, good going G-II, but I got my bets on SaX and Ephis sexy army!
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GG, G-II, I hope this is not your end of your achievements this round, and I hope you set yourself further goals. Good luck in achieving them.
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Re: G-II move up to 18th

Finally a GOOD thread on AD again

you are doing well g-ii, keep up the good work and dont become puppets of some top alliance and do their dirty work (like some other top 10 alliances)

i remember the good old times in g-ii in r4 and 5
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tbh Insomnia has been trading places with xVx for 5th spot the last 4 or 5 days lol
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Yeah, F-Crew/ToF and HR/ROCK are very close in score, so it wouldn't surprise me if they've been trading places too. But that's no excuse for mentioning G-II as though we're the only alliance that exists - after all the members of the T10 alliances believe that no one else matters.
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Re: G-II move up to 18th

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I believe that's the only alliance change in the last week or so, so surely that's due some discussion?
Orbit have overtaken ROCK and HR as well

Nice to see a thread about the smaller alliances, hopefully this will start a trend

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Ah....LCH, once regarded so high and mightily.



Now the cheap, common whores of the universe. And I don't just mean your players.
The time that vgn was regarded high and mighty was.. ergghhh.. never?

It must be frustrating for you that VGN still s.u.c.k.s more then a common whore
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xVx, insomnia and TGV has about the same score, xVx has highest roid count, but the two others has higher avg score. We'll see what happens!
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G-II is clearly owning b/c of Tygercub. :-P
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well done guys keep up the good work and we'll see u challenging for 17 real soon i hope
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TGV is kind of an up and coming alliance aswell.

Anyways, good going G-II, but I got my bets on SaX and Ephis sexy army!
Ey Kargool.... G-II is sexy in an odd twisted funky way....

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Next up on AD: a livestream of a dropping sack of rice directly from china.

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Re: G-II move up to 18th

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TGV is kind of an up and coming alliance aswell.

Anyways, good going G-II, but I got my bets on SaX and Ephis sexy army!
lol TGV were ur old mates (well yeh he must have SOME mates...) from NoS etc that u recruited whilst u were stupidly invited into APA and subsequently killed anyways...

wouldnt call it up and coming alliance tho, G-II deserve credit cos theyve started more from scratch rather than poaching old members into an alliance, then splitting it and taking them with you to TGV....

Congrats G-II, keep it up...
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I must say, from my old experiences with G-II in r3 and r4, they are kicking it up this round. With only 25 members they're holding their own with an average score placing them as #14 and not far behind from overtaking the higher ranks (comparing average scores).

If the wars between the T10 continue, we might see G-II rise to the top rankings

I'm content with G-II this round, its close to the glory of r3

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lol TGV were ur old mates (well yeh he must have SOME mates...) from NoS etc that u recruited whilst u were stupidly invited into APA and subsequently killed anyways...

wouldnt call it up and coming alliance tho, G-II deserve credit cos theyve started more from scratch rather than poaching old members into an alliance, then splitting it and taking them with you to TGV....

Congrats G-II, keep it up...
I find it quite amusing that you keep returning to this issue Dude. But I think its time you put this behind you, and use your energy to something positive instead of keep trying to slander me with lies noone else than yourself really cares about. And you calling your old friends in APA stupid for inviting me just shows how much you really care about the players you just left for an entire round without telling anyone why.

I put alot of effort in NoS when I was there, I put alot of effort in APA when I was there and will keep putting alot of effort into TGV while i am in charge and still in PA. And I let the results speak for itself.

On a sidenote.. There are more ex NoS'ers in G-ii's command than in TGV's..
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lol TGV were ur old mates (well yeh he must have SOME mates...) from NoS etc that u recruited whilst u were stupidly invited into APA and subsequently killed anyways...
There's not many NoSsers in TGV. Only a few tbh..
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wel done G-II, keep 18th place warm for us we'lll be back for it later on
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Nicely done, G-II ... Keep up the good work, and rock on! \m/
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I must say, from my old experiences with G-II in r3 and r4, they are kicking it up this round. With only 25 members they're holding their own with an average score placing them as #14 and not far behind from overtaking the higher ranks (comparing average scores).

If the wars between the T10 continue, we might see G-II rise to the top rankings

I'm content with G-II this round, its close to the glory of r3

Keep up the good work, specially our HC and BCs, very well organized!
An average score lower than F-Crew, which is a training alliance for noobs. KUTGW G-II!
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Uhh...

By tomorrow, it'll be above F-Crews...
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An average score lower than F-Crew, which is a training alliance for noobs. KUTGW G-II!

I remember very well when ND was extremely n00bish (hello AULD... and even later after G-II split)). It's the second round G-II has been back, cut them a break. Besides, having almost 80 members as opposed to 25 creates quite an advantage. An F-Crew planet can rely on 70+ others for help, G-II can rely on 1/3 less. So I'd say they are holding their own.

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An average score lower than F-Crew, which is a training alliance for noobs. KUTGW G-II!
What do you know... We train the less fortunate aswell. And where the **** is your high horse? i surely cant see you sitting on anything but a pile of shit.
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I remember very well when ND was extremely n00bish (hello AULD... and even later after G-II split)). It's the second round G-II has been back, cut them a break. Besides, having almost 80 members as opposed to 25 creates quite an advantage. An F-Crew planet can rely on 70+ others for help, G-II can rely on 1/3 less. So I'd say they are holding their own.
nice logic, but the alliance should get 1/3 of the incs also.

I don't mind the fact you are performing pretty atrociously for so many PA veterans, but the fact you come onto AD and boast about being 18th and having a shit average score, that I mind. Keep up the effort, but don't come and publicly congratulate yourself should you reach the dizzy heights of the t15.

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I remember very well when ND was extremely n00bish (hello AULD... and even later after G-II split)). It's the second round G-II has been back, cut them a break. Besides, having almost 80 members as opposed to 25 creates quite an advantage. An F-Crew planet can rely on 70+ others for help, G-II can rely on 1/3 less. So I'd say they are holding their own.
I have to pull you up on that comment also, G-II leaving ND never made ND weaker at all. I think last round and this have proven your skills, in fact the round G-II left ND enjoyed its best ever finish.

Coincidence, I think not.
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I remember very well when ND was extremely n00bish (hello AULD... and even later after G-II split)). It's the second round G-II has been back, cut them a break. Besides, having almost 80 members as opposed to 25 creates quite an advantage. An F-Crew planet can rely on 70+ others for help, G-II can rely on 1/3 less. So I'd say they are holding their own.
Having 80 members rather than 25 isnt an advantage, atleast not an automatic one.

After all is your avg F-Crew member the same as your Avg G-II member, probally not.

I would hazard a guess that your avg G-II member is
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- More skilled
- More Active

than an F-Crew member. Also more members means more incoming to cover and if activity per person is lower it could actually mean theres LESS available to cover incoming relativly speaking.

Due to this fact I dont think you can really levy the charge at any alliance in the game that they are doing better because of membership numbers be it F-Crew, 1up or Exil. If you add 50 members to a 25 man alliance they wont suddenly be as good as those they are comparing them with because this changes the factors and infact they would probally become worse as the quaity level would probally have to drop which would then see new problem manifest that reduce any advantage that removing old problems gave you
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The_Fish, you never had more than an imaginary horse, you work in the dark of your own alliance and is prolly one of the most egocentric players in this game, i congratulate you on that. But when you comment on G-II memberbase and number of veterans, get a ****ing clue or shut up
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Well done on your amazing achievement, all of us over at NewDawn send our congratulations.

Until my name was mentioned in this thread by Archster, you were supportive. My how the winds of change blow when someone you hate is mentioned... but not even bothering to waste another breath on you.

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Having 80 members rather than 25 isnt an advantage, atleast not an automatic one.

After all is your avg F-Crew member the same as your Avg G-II member, probally not.

I would hazard a guess that your avg G-II member is
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- More skilled
- More Active

than an F-Crew member. Also more members means more incoming to cover and if activity per person is lower it could actually mean theres LESS available to cover incoming relativly speaking.

Due to this fact I dont think you can really levy the charge at any alliance in the game that they are doing better because of membership numbers be it F-Crew, 1up or Exil. If you add 50 members to a 25 man alliance they wont suddenly be as good as those they are comparing them with because this changes the factors and infact they would probally become worse as the quaity level would probally have to drop which would then see new problem manifest that reduce any advantage that removing old problems gave you


25 members can cover what, 3 gals/waves at most, if you want everyone to keep one slot free for defense. 70 can cover much more, that's clear. If one target is defended against thoroughly, then our chance for growth that day decreases. If one of your targets is defended against thoroughly, big deal, you still have many more people capable of gaining roids at other targets. G-II doesn't.

With more than 70 members, you probably have more dedicated scanners, more timezone distribution, etc.


As for your guess on G-II activity, thanks for the compliments, but we take in unpaid planets new to the game and attempt to teach them. It's not all skilled veterans. Actually, it's hardly that. Granted, we have t100 players, but we also have guys just out of protection.

I'd guess, for argument's sake, ND doesn't take in many new people. I don't know about F-Crew, but ND politiked along the way, in both rounds G-II has returned to play, there have been absolutely no NAPs or alliances. I still say it's not that bad for an alliance that takes in people just out of protection (there have been SEVERAL who had irc access but still were not out of protection)... nor is it a bad alliance when it does everything independently.
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Im not one for posting on these forums, but G-II, not every alliance is about wining. I know that F-Crew and Hidden Agenda are all about training people, to learn the game, and to bring fun into it. Sure, I bet you they would love to be able to win, but thats not their aim. As for you having a high average score for 18th position, thats nothing to be proud of. Right now, the [BIG] alliance sits at t20 with 14 ppl and an average of 386k. If Hidden Agenda and Scythe cut there numbers down to 25, im sure their average would be about the same, if not higher.

If you want to boast, go right ahead, but frankly as many ppl have said, 18th rank is nothing, boast when u get in top 10
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Heh, nice to see that we have so much support in the matter that we just moved over SaX.

Rust, we welcome you for a score-fight.

Now, about the avg and stuff.

G-II consist atm of about 50/50 really skilled players with lots of experience, both in PA in general and in alliance work, and of very fresh players that is only days old in PA. The plan for this is simple: We need to grow in order to make something out of G-II, and we will not crawl for players that look down on other just 'cause they're good at choosing target and land on 'em. That's why it's hard to find experienced players, who actually can contribute to our litle community. In addition I see much growing powers in G-II atm. Along with members inches from the 200 cluster that will not have a future in G-II, there are some really gold pieces, that I believe will be our top players. If not the end of this round, but the next. We recruit for the future.

Since we have several planets this small, just consider the ones that have to carry our avg this high after all.

The recruitement race I held on to for a while have now stopped, and the demands for a new recruit have been raised until we have sorted out the new ones that have come, and got the avg up where G-II belongs.

With the new golden pieces in mind, I do not think that a solid t15 place is impossible for G-II this round. I will at least work my ass off for it.
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Im not one for posting on these forums, but G-II, not every alliance is about wining.
If you want to boast, go right ahead, but frankly as many ppl have said, 18th rank is nothing, boast when u get in top 10

I don't think anyone said anything about winning, selmac.

A member unofficially posted, big deal. It wasn't official, the HC wasn't sitting around bragging. A member was proud of his alliance, woopdie doo. Unfortunately, pride in alliances has generally gone down the tubes in the past 15 rounds with only a select few actually proud enough to stand by their original names and ideologies (kudos ROCK, ND, etc). At least the G-II people, new to the game or not, are actually proud of their community and teamwork. I mean, consider this: being in a top alliance means you have to really rape someone big to get a little bit of excitement... or bash someone bigtime in a fleet catch. Some G-II members get a kick out of moving up a place and seeing their average score creep up. Simplicity. Yet those simplistic people who get pleasure out of the little things in the game are bashed on these forums for being shit players, egocentric assholes, etc.. Unfortunately for many in other alliances, however, the simplicity is lost.

I, personally, am disappointed in our average score... however, I am all for helping new people learn the game... and helping them find that one little thing that brightens their day when they log in... whether that be watching a top planet go undefended while our lil n00b pods sail in for max cap... or whether that be a member excited about a miniscule fluctuation in average score.

The great thing about being G-II is that we can have fun. We don't have to be bothered with coordinating attacks, with arby checks, with externals. It's great to return to the basics, no blocks, no headaches. And it's great to be a close-knit group where you can truly rely on your alliancemates, day in and day out.
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