|
|
17 Jul 2009, 15:19
|
#101
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 673
|
Re: Apprime
haven't been on AD for long time but the stupidity of this thread
makes me
__________________
At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."
If life hands you lemons, drink more tequila
After the game is over the king and the pawn end up in the same box
HA - asc -rdm-asc-VR- #ODDR - APP
Finally retired
|
|
|
17 Jul 2009, 19:59
|
#102
|
Bolivian Alpaca
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
|
Re: Apprime
So, what happened today? Did everyone just init roids? I see no red!
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
|
|
|
17 Jul 2009, 20:11
|
#103
|
Cherry Colored Funk
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: 4AD Label
Posts: 137
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k
So, what happened today? Did everyone just init roids? I see no red!
|
The mega block is still hitting Apprime according the the leaders of that block. But the majority of the memberbase (i.e. 75% of it) of the alliance they're representing, is doing differently.
__________________
Soft as snow but warm inside
Penetrate you cannot hide
Feeling lost forever
Really need you
-- My Bloody Valentine
|
|
|
17 Jul 2009, 21:09
|
#104
|
Mercenary
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Todmorden
Posts: 1,192
|
Re: Apprime
Persistance and Consistency don't seem to hold true to blocks any more....
__________________
FAnG
Ascendancy
Apprime
Ultores
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 02:22
|
#105
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Belgium
Posts: 673
|
Re: Apprime
there are actually some members that are finding this block retarded.
hitting apprime i can live with, ****ing up yur attacks on nightly basis is ****ing pissing me off.
Anything i say can be blaimed at my sleep deprevation issues
__________________
At some point the world shits on everybody. Pretending it ain't shit makes you an idiot, not an optimist."
If life hands you lemons, drink more tequila
After the game is over the king and the pawn end up in the same box
HA - asc -rdm-asc-VR- #ODDR - APP
Finally retired
Last edited by HeimdallR; 18 Jul 2009 at 04:04.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 07:19
|
#106
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 25
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeimdallR
there are actually some members that are finding this block retarded.
hitting apprime i can live with, ****ing up yur attacks on nightly basis is ****ing pissing me off.
Anything i say can be blaimed at my sleep deprevation issues
|
This is where longterm play vs short term play can really come into focus. If the universe doesn't peg app down now then long term growth prospects will be rather bleak.
Also see lok's post.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 09:44
|
#107
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mista
This is where longterm play vs short term play can really come into focus. If the universe doesn't peg app down now then long term growth prospects will be rather bleak.
Also see lok's post.
|
Not really, Its now just a case of how long can Asc hold the block together as its in there main interests to keep it together as long as possible.
It isnt necessarily in CTs/P3nguins or ND's interests to stay with it for the longterm, especially if there members are getting fed up. The situation will get even worse for one of those alliances, when Apprime comes out on the offensive which could destroy alot of there alliances morale and ruin there chances of winning.
Asc arnt playing for your alliances round win, nor do they care. They're holding the block together for there interests not yours. Always remember that.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 09:57
|
#108
|
Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
|
Re: Apprime
The opposite my dear; Asc has little interest in holding a block together as we aint your competitors, if we hadnt done so we would not be your main victims either. We got into this because the others wouldnt, not because we needed apprime dead any more than the others.
Now that Asc is the figurehead of the block tho we need it to succeed, because we have set ourselves up on the firing line in a way we were not before.
This blocking had little to do with our interests in the end all we wanted was an interesting round, its about giving the other top allies a chance, that really does us no good at all.
__________________
An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 10:07
|
#109
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
The opposite my dear; Asc has little interest in holding a block together as we aint your competitors, if we hadnt done so we would not be your main victims either. We got into this because the others wouldnt, not because we needed apprime dead any more than the others.
Now that Asc is the figurehead of the block tho we need it to succeed, because we have set ourselves up on the firing line in a way we were not before.
This blocking had little to do with our interests in the end all we wanted was an interesting round, its about giving the other top allies a chance, that really does us no good at all.
|
Actually, you're mistaken, let me take you back to last page:
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
I'm opposing Apprime because they seemed to think that going for our entire alliance with another was the best way of roiding a galaxy they wanted to roid for whatever reason, but couldn't without help. To go postal on our alliance was totally disproportionate - thus we have the situation as it is, and rightly so.
I don't care who wins, but I'm taking part in this war on principle, based on the above. You could have let us get on with our own shit and chilled out - instead you will have to work a bit, get up in the middle of the night on occasion and be generally inconvenienced.
|
You didnt get into this block for 'noble' reasons, you did it was we starting hitting your main galaxys with other alliances. Now you're holding the block together, as you know if it disbands early.. we'll be coming for you.
Its not in NDs/CTs/P3nguins interests to ruin there alliances morale and chances of winning, to stick up for you.. and do what is politically correct for you. One of those alliances is going to get heavy incomings if this block continues and Apprime goes out on the offensive, its in none of there interests to be that alliance.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 10:18
|
#110
|
Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
You didnt get into this block for 'noble' reasons, you did it was we starting hitting your main galaxys with other alliances. Now you're holding the block together, as you know if it disbands early.. we'll be coming for you.
|
The second part I pretty much said myself, as to the first in the long term you wouldnt have trashed us any more than CT or P3nguins so we had no more interest in it than them from a defensive point of view, and from an offensive point of view they stand to have a chance of winning from it; we clearly do not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Its not in NDs/CTs/P3nguins interests to ruin there alliances morale and chances of winning, to stick up for you..
|
chances of winning??? without this block they had none to lose.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
One of those alliances is going to get heavy incomings if this block continues and Apprime goes out on the offensive
|
That would have come round for them anyway. Additionally they benefit from the reduced incomings inherent in being in the big block as much as they suffer from hard targets.
__________________
An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 11:01
|
#111
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 128
|
Re: Apprime
Light, i disagree wholeheartedly, i deem those other alliances to have a hell of a lot more to gain than Asc.
Last edited by ATRO; 18 Jul 2009 at 11:26.
Reason: Overly offensive
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 11:10
|
#112
|
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 601
|
Re: Apprime
Tbh I don't know who gave you guys the brief that the minute the block breaks we'll go chasing Asc. As far as we're concerned we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.
__________________
[DLR] [Conspiracy Theory] [1up] [Faceless] [Elysium] [LCH] [NewDawn] [Apprime]
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 11:18
|
#113
|
break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,087
|
Re: Apprime
Can we please keep up the trend of light's alliance never winning a round
__________________
I put the sex in dyslexia!
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 11:28
|
#114
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallinn
Posts: 734
|
Re: Apprime
Id love that
__________________
VISION FTW
THIS IS ULTORES
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 11:31
|
#115
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North
Posts: 227
|
Re: Apprime
yeh, me too, so need to kick her from tag
__________________
Memento mori !
VisioN Forever!
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:08
|
#116
|
BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
as you know if it disbands early.. we'll be coming for you.
|
That's fine.
Quote:
One of those alliances is going to get heavy incomings if this block continues and Apprime goes out on the offensive, its in none of there interests to be that alliance.
|
Isn't "If we get off the back foot, we'll target someone in the block" counter intuitive? Surely then it's everyone's interest to keep you on the back foot then if that's what you want.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:14
|
#117
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
Isn't "If we get off the back foot, we'll target someone in the block" counter intuitive? Surely then it's everyone's interest to keep you on the back foot then if that's what you want.
|
Not at all, Fleets wont be grounded forever no matter what the block does. Its counter intuitive for CT to put themselves in the firing line, securing there own loss. I'm also pretty sure that there members dont want to spend the entire round going for hard roids (and not landing) while also getting heavy incomings night after night from Apprime.
P3nguins defence also seems untested at the moment, so we'll see what they get up to.. as if they become under too much strain could fold like Aud did.
Quote:
Originally Posted by _Kila_
Can we please keep up the trend of light's alliance never winning a round
|
One day, my alliance will win!
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Last edited by Light; 18 Jul 2009 at 12:28.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:28
|
#118
|
Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Not at all, Fleets wont be grounded forever no matter what the block does.
|
Atm all they do is FC big ascs which tbh p3ngins and CT would be happy to see more of
__________________
An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:32
|
#119
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
Atm all they do is FC big ascs which tbh p3ngins and CT would be happy to see more of
|
As i said, that wont be the case forever.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:40
|
#120
|
Mercenary
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Todmorden
Posts: 1,192
|
Re: Apprime
This is basically a repeat of the last few rounds in terms of 1 ally vs a block of 4/5, its just that now its Apprime in the firing line and Ascendancy controlling the block...just this round the block hasn't given up quite as early due to the Asc'r
__________________
FAnG
Ascendancy
Apprime
Ultores
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:43
|
#121
|
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Tallinn
Posts: 734
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Not at all, Fleets wont be grounded forever no matter what the block does. Its counter intuitive for CT to put themselves in the firing line, securing there own loss. I'm also pretty sure that there members dont want to spend the entire round going for hard roids (and not landing) while also getting heavy incomings night after night from Apprime.
|
LOL
what a shitty way to try and get CT off the block.. threaten someone on AD ?
it worked once when asc did that to ND and apprime is no asc :P
__________________
VISION FTW
THIS IS ULTORES
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:45
|
#122
|
Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
|
Re: Apprime
besides ftm as I said all the evidence points to apprime aiming at exactly the wrong target, sad tho it is we get smashed in these FCs Asc is less likely to back down from them than others
__________________
An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 12:45
|
#123
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by neroon
LOL
what a shitty way to try and get CT off the block.. threaten someone on AD ?
it worked once when asc did that to ND and apprime is no asc :P
|
Its not a threat, I dont know apprime politics.. Its just pretty clear to anyone who looks at it.. that Apprime wont stay grounded forever and will come out on the offensive eventually. Its also likely that there main targets will be CT or P3nguins, depending on what both of those alliances do in the near future.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 13:56
|
#124
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by [B5]Londo
If someone is gonna beat apprime it sure as hell aint Ascendancy, the best we can do is be a distraction, which is a goal fulfilled by being FCed, even if it is at high cost.
|
but FC'ing Asc provides a nice morale boost apprime
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 14:09
|
#125
|
Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 919
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
but FC'ing Asc provides a nice morale boost apprime
|
Cant argue with that one; Hardly raises our spirits either, but I dont think it will have an appreciable impact.
EDIT: I should have said UR all CarDi bots U dont have morale to lift!!!!
__________________
An optimist may see a light where there is none, but why must the pessimist always run to blow it out?
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 14:29
|
#126
|
PA Ancient
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ventnor, Isle Of Wight
Posts: 1,060
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Its not a threat, I dont know apprime politics.. Its just pretty clear to anyone who looks at it.. that Apprime wont stay grounded forever and will come out on the offensive eventually. Its also likely that there main targets will be CT or P3nguins, depending on what both of those alliances do in the near future.
|
It was more or less an ultermatum. Wouldnt call it a threat idd, but was bad peice of propoganda aimed at CT to try and scare them. Its obvious of course Apprime will come for either ourselves or Conspiracy, but in the mean time the more you guys ground fleets and concentrate on defence (i have to say u guys are good with the activity shown in the defence props for that so dont say i never give praise where it is due) the less you will grow in the long run. But how ever, if you do stop grounding your fleets while we keep hitting you, it will therefore be a roid swopping contest. Could be interesting idd. But would your hc take the risk?
__________________
Played: Round 1-13. PA Team: Round 13-17. The Return: Round 18-19. PA Team: Round 20. Return.. Again: Round 21-37 Retired: Round 38 Returned: Round 39-45 Retired: Round 45 Returned: Round: 56
Ever been attacked by a p3nguin? You get left a bit black and white!
p3nguin Founder
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 15:05
|
#127
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
It was more or less an ultermatum. Wouldnt call it a threat idd, but was bad peice of propoganda aimed at CT to try and scare them. Its obvious of course Apprime will come for either ourselves or Conspiracy, but in the mean time the more you guys ground fleets and concentrate on defence (i have to say u guys are good with the activity shown in the defence props for that so dont say i never give praise where it is due) the less you will grow in the long run. But how ever, if you do stop grounding your fleets while we keep hitting you, it will therefore be a roid swopping contest. Could be interesting idd. But would your hc take the risk?
|
It wasnt an ultermatum.. Do i seriously need to start posting "this is no an official X post, im just posting my opinions" again at the end of my posts. I got told last round i didnt need to do it, as the forum community wasnt that dumb and could understand they're just my opinions.. seems i got told wrong. I concentrated on talking about CT, as they are currently ranked #2.
take what risk? Apprime cant ground fleets forever.. The HC of Apprime will eventually be forced to go on the offensive and most certainly it will be a roid-swapping contest.. but it wont be very nice for the alliance Apprime decides to hit, especially if they put priority on defending against that alliance as well forcing them to lose roids while struggling to cap them back. I doubt thats a position that CT (or P3nguins) want to place themselves in, if they can avoid it).
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 15:20
|
#128
|
PA Ancient
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ventnor, Isle Of Wight
Posts: 1,060
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
It wasnt an ultermatum.. Do i seriously need to start posting "this is no an official X post, im just posting my opinions" again at the end of my posts. I got told last round i didnt need to do it, as the forum community wasnt that dumb and could understand they're just my opinions.. seems i got told wrong. I concentrated on talking about CT, as they are currently ranked #2.
take what risk? Apprime cant ground fleets forever.. The HC of Apprime will eventually be forced to go on the offensive and most certainly it will be a roid-swapping contest.. but it wont be very nice for the alliance Apprime decides to hit, especially if they put priority on defending against that alliance as well forcing them to lose roids while struggling to cap them back. I doubt thats a position that CT (or P3nguins) want to place themselves in, if they can avoid it).
|
I of course know that Apprime are good, but good enough to stop grounding fleets while been hit by a block, attack one alliance, and still manage to defend themselves enough to keep the roids they might cap? Cardi has already said 'once the block disbands' you wouldnt have the firepower to do both. Not with a block hitting you, no alliance could do that surely. So thats the risk i was reffering too. Sure it would be bad for us or Conspiracy, but if we kept attacking u at the same time we would gain more in the long run. Surely even you can see your holding onto ur roids well atm considering the incoming your getting becuase your grounding fleets? So attacking back to me would be suicide. So therefore your using your 'apinion' on this forum to try and break the block up or at least get either us or CT to stop. Your still strong so....
__________________
Played: Round 1-13. PA Team: Round 13-17. The Return: Round 18-19. PA Team: Round 20. Return.. Again: Round 21-37 Retired: Round 38 Returned: Round 39-45 Retired: Round 45 Returned: Round: 56
Ever been attacked by a p3nguin? You get left a bit black and white!
p3nguin Founder
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 15:29
|
#129
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
I of course know that Apprime are good, but good enough to stop grounding fleets while been hit by a block, attack one alliance, and still manage to defend themselves enough to keep the roids they might cap? Cardi has already said 'once the block disbands' you wouldnt have the firepower to do both. Not with a block hitting you, no alliance could do that surely. So thats the risk i was reffering too. Sure it would be bad for us or Conspiracy, but if we kept attacking u at the same time we would gain more in the long run. Surely even you can see your holding onto ur roids well atm considering the incoming your getting becuase your grounding fleets? So attacking back to me would be suicide. So therefore your using your 'apinion' on this forum to try and break the block up or at least get either us or CT to stop. Your still strong so....
|
And how is 'grounding fleets for the entire round' not a huge risk? were already below CT/P3nguins roid count and unless we attack its a certanty that we'll fall further and further behind.
Its not a case of managing to defend ourselves enough to keep the roids we might cap, The block is slowly forcing Apprime into a position where neither Apprime nor the block wants Apprime to go.. Where we have to disregard our roidcount and attack an alliance just for a chance at ending the conflict. Apprime certanly couldnt attack an alliance and defend against the block.. but they could attack an alliance and defend against that alliance, causing massive frustration for them.
You cant back an alliance into a position where they have no chance of winning, then expect them to sit idle while you win. Apprime will strike back eventually, its just a question of strike back at which alliance.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 15:50
|
#130
|
PA Ancient
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Ventnor, Isle Of Wight
Posts: 1,060
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
And how is 'grounding fleets for the entire round' not a huge risk? were already below CT/P3nguins roid count and unless we attack its a certanty that we'll fall further and further behind.
Its not a case of managing to defend ourselves enough to keep the roids we might cap, The block is slowly forcing Apprime into a position where neither Apprime nor the block wants Apprime to go.. Where we have to disregard our roidcount and attack an alliance just for a chance at ending the conflict. Apprime certanly couldnt attack an alliance and defend against the block.. but they could attack an alliance and defend against that alliance, causing massive frustration for them.
You cant back an alliance into a position where they have no chance of winning, then expect them to sit idle while you win. Apprime will strike back eventually, its just a question of strike back at which alliance.
|
I dont exactly expect you to sit idle. Hence why i said in my first post to you we (p3nguins) expect you to hit us. Plus the fact cardi told me he would so thats quite a huge hint. But the point is im fed up of seeing people moan about this block and how its saw as 'unfair' on irc. Yes your probably right, you were saw as the main threat, and the universe has (is) doing somthing about it. Now either of course do as your describing, or of course just please tell your members to stop moaning. Your a good alliance no one doubts that hence why you have a block on your ass.
__________________
Played: Round 1-13. PA Team: Round 13-17. The Return: Round 18-19. PA Team: Round 20. Return.. Again: Round 21-37 Retired: Round 38 Returned: Round 39-45 Retired: Round 45 Returned: Round: 56
Ever been attacked by a p3nguin? You get left a bit black and white!
p3nguin Founder
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 15:51
|
#131
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin
I dont exactly expect you to sit idle. Hence why i said in my first post to you we (p3nguins) expect you to hit us. Plus the fact cardi told me he would so thats quite a huge hint.
|
Cardi says alot of things, the only thing we can be sure of.. is that he will have his vengeance.. in this round or the next!
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 16:11
|
#132
|
Over the moon
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
Posts: 547
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt
This is basically a repeat of the last few rounds in terms of 1 ally vs a block of 4/5, its just that now its Apprime in the firing line and Ascendancy controlling the block...just this round the block hasn't given up quite as early due to the Asc'r
|
I don't think we want to take all the credit for this (well JBG might), there has been good willingness from ct/nd/p3n/ec to hit apprime consistantly, even through different arguements. Obviously asc has not contributed a heck of a lot in the real war effort based on raw number of fleets etc.
Not sure I understand the arguement about asc needing this more than others, no-one in *that big galaxy* are overly involved in politics and we didn't get involved for their sake specificly, nor was it a respons to that galaxy being hit.. but you can keep spinning conspiracy theories I guess If apprime starts playing swap the roid, I know alot of people willing to play! That isn't cardi's or elviz's style at all though, can't see it happening.
<mista> app is way better at using rock fleets then we ever were
__________________
Golan - Ascendancy
Planets.
Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
Those damn emp races..
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 17:48
|
#133
|
Bolivian Alpaca
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
|
Re: Apprime
Can't we just lay it to rest? Here, I'll summarize it for you:
-Who's winning? Apprime
-Should p3nguins and CT and ND and Asc hit apprime to stop them from running away with the round? Yes
- Do CT and p3nguins want to be hit by apprime? No
- Do CT and p3nguins understand that at least one of them will eventually get hit by apprime? YES
- Does this mean P3nguins or CT should cower in fear? NO
I haven't got a single roid from apprime this round, but i'll keep trying!!! (Just to let you guys know that the sooner you let me land and get roids, the sooner you'll have me off your backs ... or not.)
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 17:59
|
#134
|
Bolivian Alpaca
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
|
Re: Apprime
http://sandmans.co.uk/?p=compare&com...k=&type=values
Funnily enough, over the course of the nights the block has been hitting Apprime, the score gap has not decreased. So much for the "we're not winning" approach.
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:20
|
#135
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k
|
Apprime has maintained the roidlead for most of the nights the blocks existed, so we'd naturally continue to grow. Now that roidlead is lost, we'll start to see the block closing in.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gio2k
Can't we just lay it to rest? Here, I'll summarize it for you:
-Who's winning? Apprime
-Should p3nguins and CT and ND and Asc hit apprime to stop them from running away with the round? Yes
- Do CT and p3nguins want to be hit by apprime? No
- Do CT and p3nguins understand that at least one of them will eventually get hit by apprime? YES
- Does this mean P3nguins or CT should cower in fear? NO
|
on your first point, ND shouldnt really be in the block.. I'd of thought they'd pull out of the block (still nap'd with it) but go after easy roids to try and close the gap. CT/P3nguins/Asc are good enough to hold back Apprime while they did that, ND shouldnt be fighting a war they dont have to when its in there best interests to back out of it (at least until they catch up, then rejoin it by all means).
and to your cower in fear point? i'd just say that it means that CT and P3nguins (and ND) should be playing there own politics. It may of been beneficial for them to join the block but things change.. There is no point being in the block to fight for someone else to finish #1, especially if you're risking getting targetted.
P3nguins is arguably the stronger and more likely alliance to hold up against Apprime incomings.. so CT should be trying to do what they can to ensure its P3nguins that Apprime targets (while maintaining in the block, or even just fencing).
At the moment, it seems that Asc is controlling all the politics, when each alliance should be looking after there own needs and thinking how they can come out of this block with a win. As things stand, P3nguins will win the round.. so both Apprime and CT need to rethink there strategys to try to ensure they win.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
Last edited by Light; 18 Jul 2009 at 18:25.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:40
|
#136
|
Look its a useless rank.
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Aus > NZ
Posts: 76
|
Re: Apprime
sorry aprime your playing the whole "we're not winning leave us alone" card far too early.
Try again in a few days.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:41
|
#137
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hosie
sorry aprime your playing the whole "we're not winning leave us alone" card far too early.
Try again in a few days.
|
Nobodys said were not winning and leave us alone; Typical Asc propoganda, with no substance.
All thats been said, is that if the current political situation stays the same.. P3nguins are favourite to win, not Apprime or CT.
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:47
|
#138
|
Bolivian Alpaca
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 912
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
and to your cower in fear point? i'd just say that it means that CT and P3nguins (and ND) should be playing there own politics. It may of been beneficial for them to join the block but things change.. There is no point being in the block to fight for someone else to finish #1, especially if you're risking getting targetted.
|
By your own logic, both CT and p3nguins should step out of the block, because "it may not be beneficial to them".
I think any HC in his right mind would take 33% probability of winning the round (because tbh, noone in the block has written Apprime off, and they are still the alliance to beat) over 100% probability of ending #2.
Also, nobody said the idea of the block was to send Apprime back to the stone age. The fact is that the other alliances still have to catch up to the value of Apprimes fleets, and even more to make up for their lack of activity / skill if you will.
So, relax, and take it like a man (or a girl) for a couple more nights, and of course we are all expecting Apprime to do something about the situation, but on the playing field, and not here.
__________________
"I throw myself into the sea, release the wave, let it wash over me ..."
MadCowS - Angels - eXilition - Destiny - Wolfpack - Jenova - p3nguins
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:50
|
#139
|
BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
Nobodys said were not winning and leave us alone; Typical Asc propoganda, with no substance.
All thats been said, is that if the current political situation stays the same.. P3nguins are favourite to win, not Apprime or CT.
|
This is a post straight out of the r12 1up playbook.
With apprime's activity - if apprime are given breathing space, they'll win - as proved prior to this phase where they massively outroided everybody. If it's a choice of fighting p3ng or app in the endgame, i know which i'd take.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 18:59
|
#140
|
You've Seen The Light
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,152
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
With apprime's activity - if apprime are given breathing space, they'll win - as proved prior to this phase where they massively outroided everybody. If it's a choice of fighting p3ng or app in the endgame, i know which i'd take.
|
So if CT steps out of the block, with P3nguins, ND and Asc still hitting apprime heavily.. That i'd be an easy ride for Apprime to ride for victory?
__________________
First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 19:05
|
#141
|
BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
So if CT steps out of the block, with P3nguins, ND and Asc still hitting apprime heavily.. That i'd be an easy ride for Apprime to ride for victory?
|
Unfortunately that is the state of affairs we have currently. Baffling on the one hand but necessary. I think this state of affairs will have to persist for some time. Who out of "not apprime" winning doesn't really matter at this point.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 19:05
|
#142
|
Mercenary
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Todmorden
Posts: 1,192
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
This is a post straight out of the r12 1up playbook.
|
You could say that is out of the r30 Asc playbook as we did the same that round too.....
__________________
FAnG
Ascendancy
Apprime
Ultores
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 19:06
|
#143
|
Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 128
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
That i'd be an easy ride for Apprime to ride for victory?
|
Juvenile i know but i giggled.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 19:23
|
#144
|
BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Colt
You could say that is out of the r30 Asc playbook as we did the same that round too.....
|
It was more the straight forward character assassination followed by the standard "your current position is ridiculous" when objectively it's not. In Ascendancy's case, we were pointing out that actually, we were 60k roids down, over 50% down on the roid leader and thus suffering a massive loss in income and thus value. In the end everyone tried to take us out in a two to three day conflict, and we happened to win it and close out the round, because we played well.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 19:37
|
#145
|
Anarchy Shadow
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Nafferton, England
Posts: 324
|
Re: Apprime
Your all bananas let's all go in vacation mode and enjoy the sun. EC signed up this round to chill since its summer apprime roided us easily cause we small and couldn't give two monkeys about our roids. Apprime don't have 2 things asc has JBG and LOKKEN both clever individuals which have got asc out of so many messes when blocks happen that's why it won't work for apprime. Apprime have too many players which the pa community like to hunt. Ontop of all this apprime have a good roider base which means if you don't seriously lower apprime they will bounce back very easily and still win round so for ct and the birdy alliance its more beneficial to stay in the block smash apprime into non existence then fight each other as they know fighting each other be an easier battle then trying to fight apprime on a level playing field.
__________________
EX
Legion, Fury, Xanadu, Wolfpack, NoS, TSU, LKSAB, Vgn, F-Crew, CT, Insomnia, Angels, VsN, Gross, Osiris, ROCK, XvX, Faceless, Unsullied, Haven, Carisan, RaGe, Carnage, Kittenz and EC
Currently
In ODDR Command
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 22:27
|
#146
|
mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
|
Re: Apprime
I spent an hour trying to come up with a sensible post and was shocked to learn that Demort had beaten me to it.
__________________
The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 22:41
|
#147
|
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 957
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
I spent an hour trying to come up with a sensible post and was shocked to learn that Demort had beaten me to it.
|
You could clear his post up though, it's kinda hard to read. :\
(and I mean that in a cba-to-read-such-crap-posts kinda way)
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 22:48
|
#148
|
mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
|
Re: Apprime
Wisdom is not easily come by.
__________________
The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
|
|
|
18 Jul 2009, 22:53
|
#149
|
BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
|
Re: Apprime
It was good apart from the assumption that I do anything of value or indeed that JBG would take anything I say seriously. What we do have is a lot of players who have a good sense of perspective, understand politics and know how to play smart. It is not better than Apprime or other alliances who have put in staggering amounts of activity but it is certainly different. Apprime are winning this round on raw activity and it will take a lot of discipline and concentration to seriously check their progress.
It was very nice of Demort to say that though.
__________________
"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
|
|
|
19 Jul 2009, 02:37
|
#150
|
Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
Posts: 19,441
|
Re: Apprime
Quote:
Originally Posted by Light
You didnt get into this block for 'noble' reasons, you did it was we starting hitting your main galaxys with other alliances. Now you're holding the block together, as you know if it disbands early.. we'll be coming for you.
|
You are just flat out wrong here. Don't post shit unless you can back it up.
__________________
Some might ask what good is life without purpose but I'm anticipating a good lunch.
|
|
|
Thread Tools |
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
|
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 02:11.
| |