Rnd 29 predictions

[HaNzI]

Originally Posted by Mek

i love you vdm but i think any claims you are making about denial being able to hold up against exil/1up are very far off the mark man =/

denial simply doesnt have the depth of membership or the experience necissary to compete in that environment

I would have to correct you here, based on my own opinion ofc.
Denial appeals in particular to any old virus-members who will find friends there, they also have a large portion of the very successfull and popular urwins BG, and later alliance.
They recruit people "off the street" and make them good players, and their members show loyalty both here on the forums, and by coming back to play for them in round 29! Experience among members in plenty id say, but ofcourse we cant deny that people quit PA,and you will find a large portion of new players in Denial too. But im sure they will become decent players over the coming round.

You dont even have to look further then to Carebears last round where half the Denial core rather chilled out with their core then join an other alliance.

Originally Posted by Foxman

Oh and willzzz. Denial never stabbed nox, actualy they kept helping us after we had plans for stabbing them that backfired so i would not be to worried about their loyalty to allies.

TOLD YOU SO!!!

lol

[Kargool]

I declare war on everything!

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by Achilles

VdM dude, I'm sorry, but to compare Denial favourably to either of those alliances is simply ridiculous.

Well, I've been a member of both eXilition & Denial and have to say they don't opperate that different from eachother.
The skill in the members & hc's is there, the willingness to be active in a game where 75% of the community is saying "why bother playing" is also there.

But, we're comparing alliances from different era's of the game to eachother so in my opinion it is impossible to say if Denial could fight off eXilition or 1up.
Most likely they'd probably fail, yes, but they'd atleast have the guts to fight them and also make it hard on eXilition/1up to defeat them.


Oh and Mek, you know I love you mate, but seriously you've been retired for the last 8-10 rounds now or something like that?
On what possible grounds can you judge the memberbase of denial?

PS, won't bother to reply to any replies to this post, enough has been said on this. I'm an idiot for saying what I think, you guys are idiots for living in the past, ...

Back to predictions!

[Achilles]

If only we lived in a world where you got to have the last word just by asking for it. You're comparison is stupid for a number of excellent reasons vdm. Firstly, in terms of command and with all due respect to Denial, they are quite simply not of the same calibre as Sid, Rob, Kaifux etc. Which is borne out both in Denial's playstyle and results.

1up and eX were superior alliances not because they won more rounds but because they had the innovation and intelligence to win different rounds in vastly different ways. They've also both shown the ability to play undermanned and win or to wage a prolonged war and win. All Denial has ever done is just about scrape to victory at equal numbers once while crying about how much they get attacked. How are these things in any way comparable?

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Kenny

TOLD YOU SO!!!

lol

have i ever said anything else?

[Achilles]

He was referring to something Willz said Foxman. Look back a few posts if you care.

That, and I just wanted to make it clear I was right, and the other Denial HCs of the time were wrong.

It's just a shame it often takes hindsight before people realise I was right about something...

And Foxman, I took a long time off of the forums, if it's something you've admitted to already - I missed it.

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Kenny

That, and I just wanted to make it clear I was right, and the other Denial HCs of the time were wrong.

It's just a shame it often takes hindsight before people realise I was right about something...

And Foxman, I took a long time off of the forums, if it's something you've admitted to already - I missed it.

iv been pretty clear on this all the way, i(and in some cases bronto) talked with a few other alliances, we had a deal to go for denial, then a screwup on hc level pretty much ****ed us over, by pissing off CT and Asc...

Denial kept to their original deal with us though, and helped us for the rest of the round. so when willzzz claim we got stabbed by denial, thats as far off as posible,

[Illuvatar]

Originally Posted by Mek

i love you vdm but i think any claims you are making about denial being able to hold up against exil/1up are very far off the mark man =/

denial simply doesnt have the depth of membership or the experience necissary to compete in that environment

agreed Mek, even tho they had a strong military in the past roidingwise which comes close to what I've seen in eXilition (dunno which round it was tho but I told eksero I was quite surprised) whatever I think Denial under pressure wont compete with the likes of 1up/eXi simply because they got Ali and Disc in their command...hahahaha anyways they will be the alliance to beat if Ascendancy plays chilled!

[Alki]

Gosh i havent laughed this hard on AD in a long time. Also if there was an award for most useless HC, willz would most probably get it, ive nothing against the guy, but he seriously did **** all in legion anyway and it seems that is all he can leech his 'respect' from :crymeariver:

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by Achilles

If only we lived in a world where you got to have the last word just by asking for it.

It would save the world from alot of pointless discussions!

Originally Posted by Achilles

You're comparison is stupid for a number of excellent reasons vdm. Firstly, in terms of command and with all due respect to Denial, they are quite simply not of the same calibre as Sid, Rob, Kaifux etc. Which is borne out both in Denial's playstyle and results.

When Kaifux started exi he probably wasn't generally considered to be of the same calibre as Sid & Rob. Same probably goes for Sid & Rob, when they began HC'ing alot of people will probably have said "oh, they're not as good as that person that went before them".
You don't instantly become known as a great leader, you have to earn it over time.
Imo, Denial command has done good so far with 2nd place in their first round and first place in their second round.
Any command that can get their biggest members to recall from free roids so the smaller members escorting them will get a bigger overall scoregain for the alliance is a good command imo and more than capable of handling their alliance & members.

Originally Posted by Achilles

1up and eX were superior alliances not because they won more rounds but because they had the innovation and intelligence to win different rounds in vastly different ways. They've also both shown the ability to play undermanned and win or to wage a prolonged war and win. All Denial has ever done is just about scrape to victory at equal numbers once while crying about how much they get attacked. How are these things in any way comparable?

It all depends on what exactly you're comparing.
You're comparing results and methods.
I'm comparing internal structure and the way the alliance worked.

[Mzyxptlk]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Imo, Denial command has done good so far with 2nd place in their first round and first place in their second round.

In this context, that means exactly diddly squat.

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Any command that can get their biggest members to recall from free roids so the smaller members escorting them will get a bigger overall scoregain for the alliance is a good command imo and more than capable of handling their alliance & members.

No one is saying Denial HCs are bad at what they do. They're just not good enough to take on one of the dominating alliances in PA's history.

P.S. So much for not bothering to reply o>

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

No one is saying Denial HCs are bad at what they do. They're just not good enough to take on one of the dominating alliances in PA's history.

Denial isn't good enough to beat eXi/1up,
eXi/1up aren't good enough to beat Fury/Legion,
Mike Tyson wouldn't have been good enough to beat Muhammed Ali,
All current football teams wouldn't be good enough to beat the 1970 Brazil squad,
Any medieval army wouldn't have been good enough to beat a roman legion,
...

We can make assumptions like that all day long, debate them, call people idiots, claim moral highgrounds,... and in the end, it's still just an assumption.
There are no real facts to back up anybody's claims.
The only real fact is that they never had a proper face off with both at full strength, so it is impossible to accuratly say "x is better than y because ..."

Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk

P.S. So much for not bothering to reply o>

I tried but I could not resist, I'm currently looking for a self help group that will get me to stop posting on AD.

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

I tried but I could not resist, I'm currently looking for a self help group that will get me to stop posting on AD.

Kind of an ironic place to look, dont you think?

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Alki

Gosh i havent laughed this hard on AD in a long time. Also if there was an award for most useless HC, willz would most probably get it, ive nothing against the guy, but he seriously did **** all in legion anyway and it seems that is all he can leech his 'respect' from :crymeariver:

lies, i would get that award!

Originally Posted by Foxman

lies, i would get that award!

would, or "have done"?

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Kenny

would, or "have done"?

well u might beat me, but im sure ill win it in the end <3

it'd be fairly close, fo sho :P

[Gabriel]

Hidden Agenda for teh winz0r

[HeimdallR]

Watch out Gabriel don't post here, or the Hitlermonkey will kick you

[JonnyBGood]

When Kaifux started exi he probably wasn't generally considered to be of the same calibre as Sid & Rob. Same probably goes for Sid & Rob, when they began HC'ing alot of people will probably have said "oh, they're not as good as that person that went before them".

Quite true. And also the reason nobody has said c7r, lux or phraktos are the greatest alliances in PA history.

[Thatcher]

c7r, lux or phraktos are the greatest alliances in PA history.

[Mzyxptlk]

Witty. Very witty.

[vuLgAr]

Rnd 29 predictions of current alliances not being as good as alliances that either don't exist anymore or have moved on to different games? really.

[Assassin]

Originally Posted by V*Messiah

Rnd 29 predictions of current alliances not being as good as alliances that either don't exist anymore or have moved on to different games? really.

Welcome to AD

[Hunterrrr]

New Dawn will win because they have the best poster on the internet since 2006 now!

[HellKicker]

Originally Posted by Hunterrrr

New Dawn will win because they have the best poster on the internet since 2006 now!

Lies

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by HellKicker

Lies

It is true!
One does not simply ignore the awesome posting skills of horn!

[Ave]

I believe most of the denial members have played also other far more intensive games, hence they can most likely handle preasure and little sleep. Also each games teaches new tactics to use.

Most of the PA vets instead are used to nothing else but noob roiding, bad politics and cheating. So by default any modern player whom can do else than cheat and noob roid takes a win. I guess most of denial members fall in to the later catecory.

and as they showed, even they know how to cheat, so that takes teh only credit away from casual PA vet.

Denials members all arent any heros and great tacticans (there are a few tho) and their HCs arent above average, but they got the required attitude and activity and I believe discpline too, to win any round, or atleast challence others for the spot.

[Mzyxptlk]

That is utter bollocks.

[Buddah]

Seriously, how you can even keep comparing Denial to older PROPER alliances is beyond me....

There simply is no proper alliances around anymore, im pretty sure that old existing allies like ND, will agree with me that they were way better 10-15 rounds ago, and still Denial who just barely beat them claim to be able to give the old alliances a good fight for the win? gimme a break, you were crying so loud about your lousy small amount of incs, what was it? 8k?

Comparing Pa alliances to boxers is kinda lol really, its 30? years between them fighting, yet quite a few of the people playing now used to play when pa still had good alliances in it. So we are actually qualified to compare.

But kudos to Denial for trying to become the next exi/1up.

[jelle]

same shit different round prediction thread...

[Ave]

Originally Posted by Buddah

Seriously, how you can even keep comparing Denial to older PROPER alliances is beyond me....

There simply is no proper alliances around anymore, im pretty sure that old existing allies like ND, will agree with me that they were way better 10-15 rounds ago, and still Denial who just barely beat them claim to be able to give the old alliances a good fight for the win? gimme a break, you were crying so loud about your lousy small amount of incs, what was it? 8k?

Comparing Pa alliances to boxers is kinda lol really, its 30? years between them fighting, yet quite a few of the people playing now used to play when pa still had good alliances in it. So we are actually qualified to compare.

But kudos to Denial for trying to become the next exi/1up.

Something to do with more players? bigger alliances? multiple wings? Atleast the existing players aren't worse.

[HRH_H_Crab]

Originally Posted by Ave

Atleast the existing players aren't worse.

I'm a lot worse.

Infact, as this is a prediction thread I predict I will play worse this round than I did the last time I played.

It's important to set yourself a challenge in gaming, even if it seems impossible to achieve.

[Colt]

Originally Posted by Ave

Something to do with more players? bigger alliances? multiple wings? Atleast the existing players aren't worse.

If your talking about pre rd10 then your comments might make sense. If not then I wonder where you get your intel from

[VenoX]

Why do people bother to keep discussing Denial with people that barely know us (they arent even members so why u refer to them as "Denial" is beyond me), least of all our newest incarnation. I also played in exi and tho we try to mirror to some extent, their organisation, there is no way we could match up with an alliance full of that many top quality players, officers and command members. One thing I would agree with, we wouldn't give up, tho I doubt that would be enough to compete for long.

[Ave]

Originally Posted by Colt

If your talking about pre rd10 then your comments might make sense. If not then I wonder where you get your intel from

because I have played versus oldschool pa people and they managed nothing else than make biggest blocks in game history, having most cheating in game history and badmouthing and ruining a "good community." Yet I was able to beat any of them on individual level even I was a total noob back then. Alliance wise is hard to judge since they had no opponents, other than whom they teamed up with.

All the people remaining are experienced now and could compete on a very serious basis if they had the time and motivation for it.

Its hard to compare for earlier days when people still had the motivation and as kids probably the time aswell.

[Linkie]

Originally Posted by Ave

Atleast the existing players aren't worse.

Hi, I'm Linkie and I recently won a round.

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by Ave

because I have played versus oldschool pa people and they managed nothing else than make biggest blocks in game history, having most cheating in game history and badmouthing and ruining a "good community." Yet I was able to beat any of them on individual level even I was a total noob back then. Alliance wise is hard to judge since they had no opponents, other than whom they teamed up with.

Yeah man, Fury versus Xanadu was just an injoke. They were really all just cheating and ruining the game and keeping you down because you're the man.

[Hunterrrr]

Originally Posted by Linkie

Hi, I'm Linkie and I recently won a round.

Hi Linkie!

[Foxman]

Originally Posted by Ave

because I have played versus oldschool pa people and they managed nothing else than make biggest blocks in game history, having most cheating in game history and badmouthing and ruining a "good community." Yet I was able to beat any of them on individual level even I was a total noob back then. Alliance wise is hard to judge since they had no opponents, other than whom they teamed up with.

All the people remaining are experienced now and could compete on a very serious basis if they had the time and motivation for it.

Its hard to compare for earlier days when people still had the motivation and as kids probably the time aswell.

your my hero! i hope i someday can become just like u

Love from Foxman

[cha^]

Originally Posted by Foxman

Love from Foxman

Thats something what you dont see everyday

[neroon]

fck it, im gonna change my prediction - Audentes will win this silly round

[Wishmaster]

I predict I ll win, and I predict this prediction to be laughed at

[H1TMANish]

Someone has already said it, but i don't think enough heed has been taken. The simple fact is that Newdawn have recruited the single best poster in the history of the internet. I'm sorry, but that leaves the rest of us with no chance.

[Wishmaster]

I hope asc can recruit no chance then. Cause we clearly need him!

[Hunterrrr]

Originally Posted by H1TMANish

Someone has already said it, but i don't think enough heed has been taken. The simple fact is that Newdawn have recruited the single best poster in the history of the internet. I'm sorry, but that leaves the rest of us with no chance.

Yes I think we should just surrender and not play at all!!

[Gate]

Originally Posted by VenoX

Why do people bother to keep discussing Denial with people that barely know us (they arent even members so why u refer to them as "Denial" is beyond me), least of all our newest incarnation. I also played in exi and tho we try to mirror to some extent, their organisation, there is no way we could match up with an alliance full of that many top quality players, officers and command members. One thing I would agree with, we wouldn't give up, tho I doubt that would be enough to compete for long.

Good post.

Comparing Denial to eX is laughable. My experience of both places Denial leagues below eX.

But it's kind of irrelevant. Less people care nowadays. Denial were the most active alliance in the rounds they played, but they weren't as good as eX.

[Hunterrrr]

Horn will win the round because he is the best poster on internet and he joined new dawn!