List of things these forums should have

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

You may wish to pursue the possibility of a refund.

no - because ill make a bucket load of money after graduation - and i'll owe it to the education i've recieved and the contacts ive made.

while you on the other hand...

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

i owe my belief in conspiracy theories due to the fact that i come from a rich family and went to a set of very rich schools. I tend to see corrupt rich people fairly often and i have drawn my beliefs from them.

you are a nerd for other reasons

I went to one of the oldest schools (and knew people from others of the type) in the country and go to supposedly one of the 'poshest' institutions in the world, and I'm not a conspiracy crackpot.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

no - because ill make a bucket load of money after graduation - and i'll owe it to the education i've recieved and the contacts ive made.

while you on the other hand...

Money is everything dude. Really.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

well, bullshit conspiracy theories certainly. i see nothing wrong with fear of the illuminati though

Happy now?

i'm surprised that someone like you who goes to cambridge does not get to see what im talking about more. maybe you hang around the poorer people

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I went to one of the oldest schools (and knew people from others of the type) in the country and go to supposedly one of the 'poshest' institutions in the world, and I'm not a conspiracy crackpot.

i went to the second oldest school in the country (i think) - and yes cambridge is one of the poshest instis in the world - confusing - read my post above

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Money is everything dude. Really.

it is to some people

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Zar

while you on the other hand...

Make posts which have some basis in rationality?

[Zharkov]

Originally Posted by Zar

it is to some people

yeah, idiots.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

i'm surprised that someone like you who goes to cambridge does not get to see what im talking about more. maybe you hang around the poorer people

If this is turning into a competition....

I know/ew people from Eton, Radley, Abingdon, and so on. The last party I went to in Cambridge had a future member of the aristocracy in its 10-20 participants.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Make posts which have some basis in rationality?

no we just differ in opinions. Go and actively participate in a board full of right wing american relgious crackpots. You won't get very far.

Not saying that you lot are right wing, or religious (or american) for that matter. However you base rationality on a different scale to me.

[MrL_JaKiri]

I know of a near-zionist at Peterhouse, he was mocked and thrown into the cam.

[Marilyn Manson]

People like Zar are what turned me off Communism in my youth, frankly. I came to see that far too many Communists were unappealing middle-class nutters who had no concept of the social reality on the ground or ways in which it could realistically be improved.

No offence to people like Dante, etc.

And I would like to see more Bavarians on the forum.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

If this is turning into a competition....

I know/ew people from Eton, Radley, Abingdon, and so on. The last party I went to in Cambridge had a future member of the aristocracy in its 10-20 participants.

if it isnt a competition then don't mention the schools. My school was known to be richer than eton (in terms of its alumni) - it wasknown to be (among the more elite) in most cases the richest school in terms of its pupils in the country.

As for the cambridge thing again - like i said - i know!

However you don't have friends who are billionaires (parents), princes or members of royal families in different countries.

Don't make this into a competition - i'll win

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

Don't make this into a competition - i'll win

Just leave it as a counterexample to your 'you must have hung around with poor people' then.

[Marilyn Manson]

Oh, and I went to a C of E school, therefore I win. \0/

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Zar

Not saying that you lot are right wing, or religious (or american) for that matter. However you base rationality on a different scale to me.

I don't think rationality is particularly subjective in this context. As I have said numerous times there are many people on this forum for whom I have wildly different opinions to (Nodrog, Tact, queball, etc) but I respect their methodology and posting style. Their arguments are solid and even where we disagree it is usually obvious where they are coming from.

This is not a matter of opinion in that I disagree with you (although I obviously do at times), it is a more fundamental problem with your arguing style.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

Oh, and I went to a C of E school

Me too. We had to say the Lords prayer every day.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I don't think rationality is particularly subjective in this context. As I have said numerous times there are many people on this forum for whom I have wildly different opinions to (Nodrog, Tact, queball, etc) but I respect their methodology and posting style. Their arguments are solid and even where we disagree it is usually obvious where they are coming from.

This is not a matter of opinion in that I disagree with you (although I obviously do at times), it is a more fundamental problem with your arguing style.

perhaps - but you have to realise the difficulty i have when arguing. Conspiracy theories tend to go in the opposite direction of given fact, and hence my sources arent exactly the most respected. Hence i often have to put my own perspective into these things and to people who are generally quite skeptical about accepting conspiracy theories i can look like a nut.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Me too. We had to say the Lords prayer every day.

I can't remember ours ever getting as bad as that.

[Phang]

besides, A-Levels are a jewish plot designed to encourage wealthy zionests to look better coming out of the education than inner-city working-class youths

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

I don't think rationality is particularly subjective in this context. As I have said numerous times there are many people on this forum for whom I have wildly different opinions to (Nodrog, Tact, queball, etc) but I respect their methodology and posting style. Their arguments are solid and even where we disagree it is usually obvious where they are coming from.

This is not a matter of opinion in that I disagree with you (although I obviously do at times), it is a more fundamental problem with your arguing style.

If it is to do with the posting style, i'd blame it on the fact that ive always been a poor candidate for languages.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Phang

besides, A-Levels are a jewish plot designed to encourage wealthy zionests to look better coming out of the education than inner-city working-class youths

a-levels are too easy for that

[Vaio]

Originally Posted by Zar

perhaps - but you have to realise the difficulty i have when arguing. Conspiracy theories tend to go in the opposite direction of given fact, and hence my sources arent exactly the most respected. Hence i often have to put my own perspective into these things and to people who are generally quite skeptical about accepting conspiracy theories i can look like a nut.

so if I read what you said correctly, you make the 'facts' up in your mind and make yourself look a complete wanker ?

~Vaio~

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by Phang

besides, A-Levels are a jewish plot

Damnable Israelites and their finance slavery!

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Phang

besides, A-Levels are a jewish plot designed to encourage wealthy zionests to look better coming out of the education than inner-city working-class youths

As a working class youth who came from the inner city I can indeed confirm A-Levels made me look shit.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Vaio

so if I read what you said correctly, you make the 'facts' up in your mind and make yourself look a complete wanker ?

~Vaio~

no i just write things from my own perspective after looking at my own collection of sources. I'm not a text-book freak. I refuse to blindly cut and paste arguments to try and appear unnaturally smart on these forums. Owing to my poor command of english these can often come out slightly wrong.

[Vaio]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

As a working class youth who came from the inner city I can indeed confirm A-Levels made me look shit.

Me 2, I could have passed 5 easily but I was too busy being a teenager.........

Vaio

[Phang]

Originally Posted by Zar

no i just write things from my own perspective after looking at my own collection of sources. I'm not a text-book freak. I refuse to blindly cut and paste arguments to try and appear unnaturally smart on these forums. Owing to my poor command of english these can often come out slightly wrong.

is your own collection of sources written by someone who quite coincidentally has exactly the same name as you?

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Phang

is your own collection of sources written by someone who quite coincidentally has exactly the same name as you?

don't make me send you to bed early for being a naughty boy.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

no i just write things from my own perspective after looking at my own collection of sources. I'm not a text-book freak. I refuse to blindly cut and paste arguments to try and appear unnaturally smart on these forums. Owing to my poor command of english these can often come out slightly wrong.

The main problem isn't the language per se, it's a lack of apparant logic behind the statements.

And if you say 'you're not good at logic' as well, then I think that's point proven.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Zar

no i just write things from my own perspective after looking at my own collection of sources.

So you read what other crackpots have written, put it into your own poorly formed words and post it in the hopes of coming across as a respectable and authoritative source that will convince people?

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

The main problem isn't the language per se, it's a lack of apparant logic behind the statements.

And if you say 'you're not good at logic' as well, then I think that's point proven.

you pivot logic around fact. if im being a conspiracist im going against accepted fact, hence im going against your perception of logic.

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Zar

don't make me send you to bed early for being a naughty boy.

Yawn.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

[Proteus]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

If this is turning into a competition....

Zar lost the competition by default by starting it, so there's not an awful lot of point in competing with him.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Leshy

So you read what other crackpots have written, put it into your own poorly formed words and post it in the hopes of coming across as a respectable and authoritative source that will convince people?

i dont consider them crackpots. my words arent so poorly formed that they arent understandable so don't exaggerate. I post here as it is a refuge away from real-life. I don't need your respect all the time, but i enjoy participating in debates. It stimulates the brain

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Zar

you pivot logic around fact. if im being a conspiracist im going against accepted fact, hence im going against your perception of logic.

No. It is quite possible to say things which are "against accepted fact" while still maintaining a logical basis to an argument. Noam Chomsky has written about 70 books in this spirit.

[Nodrog]

this thread is shit

[Zar]

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

No. It is quite possible to say things which are "against accepted fact" while still maintaining a logical basis to an argument. Noam Chomsky has written about 70 books in this spirit.

fine on monday im going to start a thread on the holocaust and how i believe the facts have been played around. I'm going to flood you with rationalization, although it will go against accepted fact. However it will be logical. If i fulfil your demands you must take back your words

[Dante Hicks]

Originally Posted by Zar

fine on monday im going to start a thread on the holocaust and how i believe the facts have been played around. I'm going to flood you with rationalization, although it will go against accepted fact. However it will be logical.

I look forward to it.

If i fulfil your demands you must take back your words

Not really, it's not going to undo your other posts. But I'll certainly see it as an improvement.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

you pivot logic around fact

No I don't you moron. Logic is about whether or not an argument is structurally valid (or similar).

If every fish is a duck, then every duck is a fish isn't logically valid, irrelevent of whether it's based on a false premise or not.

[Phang]

my perception of logic is that zar is wrong and everyone who thinks he should talk less shite is right

[Nodrog]

Originally Posted by Zar

fine on monday im going to start a thread on the holocaust and how i believe the facts have been played around. I'm going to flood you with rationalization, although it will go against accepted fact. However it will be logical. If i fulfil your demands you must take back your words

Ignoring accepted facts isn't logical.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Proteus

Zar lost the competition by default by starting it, so there's not an awful lot of point in competing with him.

I think Proteus wins, he goes to Trinity

And lives next to Johns

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Zar

i dont consider them crackpots.

I'm sure there's people who don't have a secret desire to give it to Britney Spears on the washing machine as well.

[Marilyn Manson]

I think this thread has become obscene, and there is a riotous atmosphere in the air. I will therefore make vague implications that I am going to close it so that you all disperse.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson

I think this thread has become obscene, and there is a riotous atmosphere in the air. I will therefore make vague implications that I am going to close it so that you all disperse.

You're not allowed to moderate, you're a moderator dammit.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I think Proteus wins, he goes to Trinity

And lives next to Johns

trinity the school or the college?

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Zar

trinity the school or the college?

If you know which one's next to something I may call 'Johns' and you'll discover the answer to this conundrum.

[Marilyn Manson]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

You're not allowed to moderate, you're a moderator dammit.

I refer you to the first line of the rules:

Originally Posted by Jim Jams

A Moderator is free to close/edit/remove/move any thread he/she wants.

Arbitrary power is a marvellous thing, even if it does lend itself slightly to capriciousness and high frivolity. Which is no bad thing, unless you're on the recieving end of it.

[Zar]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

If you know which one's next to something I may call 'Johns' and you'll discover the answer to this conundrum.

i'll assuming the college. However there is a St Johns school (in fact many) that are next to the school also