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11 Jul 2008, 08:41
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Modify Core Extraction
Core extraction has become reasonably superfluous to the game these days, with a single 5 man bank hack every few ticks providing u more score than Core, even without the stolen resources taken into account. Most players chose to tech up reasonably quickly, not wasting early research points on core, preferring to get the necessities out of the way first, by which time 2500 a tick is rather insignificant, therefore chosing a different tech path to research first.
Perhaps it might be more usefull to change Core extraction from 2500 a tick, to a bonus like 5% or something of the like. This would make Core usefull (arguable) for more than the first 200 ticks of the game, and would mean bigger players are forced to chose between HC and Core, potentially giving players a tough decision to make, does he spend the next 3 days researching HC, when he mightnt get to the roids for quite some time, or does he go for the 5-10% Core bonus instead.
If you are going start deconstructing the post in an attempt to play the devils advocate, dont bother, if you want an argument take it to PD. For the rest of you who are interested enough in the concept of making Core relevant to the game, please feel free to reply, i welcome your opinions.
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11 Jul 2008, 11:20
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mz.
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Not a significant change, don't care either way.
By the way, in your last paragraph, are you asking people who disagree with you not to respond?
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11 Jul 2008, 11:50
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
pro
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11 Jul 2008, 14:32
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Not a significant change, don't care either way.
By the way, in your last paragraph, are you asking people who disagree with you not to respond?
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Thank you once again Mz for yet another well thought out and contributive response.
No, Mz, i wasnt, i was asking people who cared either way to respond to the thread, agreement with my suggestion or not. If you have any other comments that are irrelevant to the threads suggestion, please feel free to message me in private, your opinion is appreciated.
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11 Jul 2008, 15:01
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Tbh, i dont see why core extraction cant be done further down the tree? By that i mean, expanding it. I like ur % idea Muffin But perhaps 5% is a bit too much, 3% would still be quite nice, as that is 6 FCs. Imho, the research tree could do with a overhaul, giving allot more options, perhaps even some special research options for each race ?
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11 Jul 2008, 15:28
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
I wouldn't do it as a %, core should help the small guys really. Each core research being worth 2.5 times what it is now would be a solid approach in my opinion.
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11 Jul 2008, 19:03
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
personally i do core because i can never seem to keep roids. as a percentage it would potentially help more at the end, but wouldn't be as much of a bonus in the beginning imo. i'm with JBG on helping the small people, but i do agree that it doesn't do much in the grand scheme of things in the end..
maybe do something like.. +2500ea for 1st research, +5000ea for 2nd, +7500ea for 3rd? not sure how that'd affect things though considering its such a high amount, but maybe stepping it up a little might make it more practical.
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12 Jul 2008, 18:57
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Here is a radical (and therefor maybe bad) idea, how about making the amount of resources you get out of core research dependent on your roid count. So for big players cap it right were it is (say over 800 roids). IF however you have less then 800 roids then you should get a boost in mining production which inversely proportional to the number of roids you have. Say an extra 2% mining income for each 100 roids less then 800. This would mean a player with only 200 roids would get a bonus of 12% to his overall mining output. This would help the little players, while at least make the big players think about researching it early on.
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12 Jul 2008, 19:03
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mz.
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
The current system essentially does the same, the only thing you're doing is making it more complex. KISS.
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13 Jul 2008, 02:18
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The BOFH
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
I think Mz is right on this one, everyone is giving suggestions which are far too complicated. As mentioned by other people, this research is mostly aimed at lower ranking planets who might not be able to hold their roids so easily and go for another option.
Why not just increase the values a bit? Other parts of the game have changed and this one seems to have slipped by. A minor adjustment in the resources given per tick is probably all it needs.
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2 Sep 2008, 14:35
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Changed it from:
1000
+2500
+2500
+2500
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1000
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+3000
+3500
+4000
researching them all is the equilivent of 168 asteroids (compared to the 102 it was previously).
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2 Sep 2008, 16:20
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Perhaps 3% with a 2500 minimum baseline.
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2 Sep 2008, 16:23
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
what's this % rubbish?
we're keeping it simple
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2 Sep 2008, 17:06
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
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Originally Posted by Appocomaster
what's this % rubbish?
we're keeping it simple
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Then who on earth made this new cov op stuff sir?
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2 Sep 2008, 17:16
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
so owned
Yeah ok.
I'm going to make that more simple!
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4 Sep 2008, 01:33
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
can we change "deep core drilling" to "hardcore drilling" ?
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4 Sep 2008, 03:38
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
no, but I did struggle for a 4th name.
I'm afraid it's 'Expert Extraction'
i.e.
Basic Extraction
Advanced Extraction
Expert Extraction
Deep Core Drilling
Magma Extraction
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4 Sep 2008, 05:17
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Ubi concordia, ibi victor
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Basic Extraction
Intermediate Extraction
Proficient Extraction
Advanced Extraction
Expert Extraction
And I vote for a simple increase like Appoco suggested...
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4 Sep 2008, 11:26
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Basic Drilling
Advanced Drilling
Expert Drilling
Deep Core Drilling
Magma Extraction
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4 Sep 2008, 11:40
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mz.
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
Surface Gathering
Basic Excavation
Expert Mining
Deep Core Drilling
Magma Extraction
Dear lord, why am I wasting time on this.
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4 Sep 2008, 14:47
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Re: Modify Core Extraction
I'll put a poll up ..
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