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Unread 6 Apr 2003, 18:34   #1
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AIDS in Africa

This is my speech that I will be giving on Monday morning:

Aids In Africa


In January this year, my Dad went on a business trip to South Africa. He was staying in Durban, a city by the Indian Ocean, on the east coast of South Africa. One night after a particularly hard day, he decided to go out for a walk along the sea front. He had been walking for about half an hour when he heard footsteps behind him getting louder and closer. As he neared the corner of a building and a piece of waste ground, he heard his follower shout “Stop or I shoot you!”. He slowly turned round, holding his hands slightly away from his body, palms open to show he was not holding anything. A young African boy confronted him, probably no more than 15 years old, dressed in a striped t-shirt and dark shorts. In his outstretched and very shaky right hand he was holding a gun, pointing straight at my Dad’s chest. The boy was strung out on drugs and barely in control. From the waste ground a 2nd attacker arrived carrying a large knife. This one started shouting, almost screaming. My Dad, couldn’t make out what it was that he was saying, suddenly the boy with the knife lunged forward, slightly cutting my dad on the left arm and grabbed him by the waistband of his jeans. They were trying to pull him into the shadows of the waste ground. My Dad realised that if he allowed himself to be dragged into the waste ground he would be killed, so he just sat down. They boys couldn’t move him no matter how much they tugged and pulled. The one holding the gun was shaking all over, obviously high on some drug. Eventually my father understood one of the words they were screaming “Wallet”. He quietly explained that he had no wallet but that he had a small amount of money on him. One of the boys searched my father’s pockets and found the 20 Rand (about £1.50). They were not impressed. They stripped him of his new shoes, belt, and the contents of his pockets, which amounted to a hanky and his hotel room key card. The boys simply disappeared into the night with the small amount that they had managed to get. My Dad, bleeding from his left arm and hand, and holding up his torn jeans, got up and started to walk, barefoot, back to his hotel. His progress was agonisingly slow as the ground was littered with broken glass and discarded needles from the local junkies. Sitting in the shadows every 20 metres or so were more young kids shooting up with more syringes. The drugs problem in the city was out of control. Eventually, my father made it back to the hotel about an hour later. This event made my father to realise how bad the drug problem in South Africa is. With the drug problem comes the much graver problem of AIDS. South Africa’s AIDS epidemic is growing at a truly alarming pace. Not only are hundreds of people of all ages dying every day, but, at the same time children are being orphaned. In a society where, for many, basic day-to-day existence is already a struggle, the AIDS epidemic is ravaging the population.

Take 2 countries: South Africa and Swaziland, 25% of the African population of these countries, male and female, adult and child alike are infected with HIV AIDS. That probably doesn’t mean a lot to you, so to illustrate this point I will ask the entire first, second and third years to put up their hands. Now look around, all those with their hands raised, if you were an African, you would be dead within the next year. As if that wasn’t a tragedy in itself, imagine now that you are parents, that you have young children and elderly parents living with you. Your death will mean that the children become orphans and that your elderly parents who you were looking after, would become homeless. Many of these innocent victims of the AIDS pandemic become casualties in a society where there is no welfare state to fall back on. So the tragic death of just one of you from AIDS could mean that your entire family would be lost.
Throughout sub-saharan Africa the culture of the Witch Doctor is still alive today. Local villagers go to the Witch Doctor for advice as well as cures. To maintain their position in society Witch Doctors have to be seen to be infallible so when confronted with an incurable disease they have devised a truly awful cure. Having sex with a virgin. As if that wasn’t bad enough, the infected men try to find the youngest available to ensure her virginity, sometimes the victim is as young as three months old.
In the last 2 weeks we have been preoccupied with a war, which has claimed hundreds of lives. Meanwhile in Africa, most Africans have hardly heard of this war. It goes unreported on their TVs and in their newspapers. They are preoccupied with more terrible, silent and deadly enemy that can only be overcome by a programme of education and possibly our assistance. If we do not realise this soon, the unfolding tragedy of Africa will become far more of a threat to all the people of the world than any terrorist with bombs and guns.
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it's their own fault.
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it's their own fault.
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i was trolling

but the main reason for them not wearing condoms, and i saw it on Horizon so it must be true, is because it reduces sensitivity, not becuase they can't get them. but i'm sorry, they'd rather have a better orgasm than not getting AIDS. I think they have their priorities mixed up/
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i was trolling

but the main reason for them not wearing contraceptive, and i saw it on Horizon so it must be true, is because it reduces sensitivity, not becuase they can't get them. but i'm sorry, they'd rather have a better orgasm than not getting AIDS. I think they have their priorities mixed up/
That isn't true
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yes it is. perhaps it's not the main reason but it still plays a factor in the problem
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I'd say they deserve it, but I think I'd be deleted.
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If you're told that there is a very high chance you will get HIV if you take intravanous 'recreational' drugs or practise unprotected sex* and then you go ahead and do either anyway and then you do get HIV then it's your own fault.






















*which i believe that the Africans are
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If you're told that there is a very high chance you will get HIV if you take intravanous 'recreational' drugs or practise unprotected sex* and then you go ahead and do either anyway and then you do get HIV then it's your own fault.

*which i believe that the Africans are
Perhaps they arent as well educated on worldly affairs as you are.
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Perhaps they arent as well educated on worldly affairs as you are.


What's this got to do with 'worldly affairs'?

People go to Africa and tell the populace about the dangers of HIV.

By and large the Africans seem to be ignoring that advice :shrug:
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"Poverty, superstition, tradition and basic ignorance of prevention are largely responsible"

Three of them are their own fault, perhaps not ignorance to a degree.

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Well lets face facts. If we do nothing, we save a lot of money, and in a few years the problem will sort itself out. Then we have a fresh new continent to use to make our lives better. It's win win.
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Well lets face facts. If we do nothing, we save a lot of money, and in a few years the problem will sort itself out. Then we have a fresh new continent to use to make our lives better. It's win win.
that made me laugh but its sad at the sametime
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Isnt the government over there still denying that its a problem at all and keep denying aid packges? I'd say its their [ie the government's] fault
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Isnt the government over there still denying that its a problem at all and keep denying aid packges? I'd say its their [ie the government's] fault
Yes, but China is much worse. Their AIDS problem is getting bad but the government refuses to acknowledge its existence
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I just spat a mouthful of coffee and cake onto my monitor in a burst of laughter you wank, not that I agree in any way, it was just the timing and the way I read through the first post and etc...
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Yes, but China is much worse. Their AIDS problem is getting bad but the government refuses to acknowledge its existence
It hasn't reached 25% of the population yet has it?
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It does not help that the current president of South Africa Thabi Mbeki does not believe that HIV causes AIDS, and refuses to endorse nationwide anti-AIDS sex-education education.

AIDS infection in South Africa is currently estimated at 19%. That is nothing compared to Botswana, the world leader in AIDS, with an estimated infection rate of 40%.

China has very likely an infection rate no worse than the West, but until recently they refused to aknowledge its existence at all.
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I'm not that sure what the beginning crime story has to do with anything.

Also, there's a pretty big difference between the more developed parts of South Africa (e.g. Durban, Western Cape, Jo'Burg) and the rest of Sub-Saharan Africa. In the more developed parts media penetration (and thus awareness to the war) is pretty high.

But yeah, it's OK overall. If this was happening almost anywhere else in the world the entire focus of media attention would be on AIDS. But hey, it's just a few ******s dying.

p.s. Mbeki is an idiot, but the extent to which "the government deny AIDS" has been exaggerated in SA. The various times I've visited there have often been op-ed or contribution pieces by government ministers on AIDS and AIDS policy, etc.
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So what you are trying to say is that we should have bombed Africa first?

Makes sense I suppose.
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The Christian (mostly Catholic I think) church in Africa actually discourages people from using condoms. And the Church has a lot more sway there than in Europe.

Pretty irresponsible of them if you ask me.
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The Christian (mostly Catholic I think) church in Africa actually discourages people from using condoms. And the Church has a lot more sway there than in Europe.

Pretty irresponsible of them if you ask me.
I used to live in México. A rabid catholic country. Abortion is illegal under ANY circumstance, and contraception is available, yet "politely discouraged" by the church. More births = more workers = more catholics = more power/money for the church.

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but the main reason for them not wearing condoms, and i saw it on Horizon so it must be true, is because it reduces sensitivity, not becuase they can't get them. but i'm sorry, they'd rather have a better orgasm than not getting AIDS. I think they have their priorities mixed up/
I can't say I've ever noticed any difference. The main problem with condoms are; 1. actually having them when needed, 2. putting them on ("Sorry dear, stop a moment, be right with you, damn... put my finger through, let me get another")

Anyway, any reduced sensitivity is probably welcomed by 99% of the world's women

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I blame pharmaceutical companies.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...899073,00.html It's not just limited to AIDS.

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The US showed no sign of loosening its veto on the lucrative patent rights enjoyed by its powerful pharmaceutical industry. Yesterday, there was evidence of growing anger among other countries over the behaviour of the WTO's most powerful member, whose opposition has deadlocked discussions for more than a year on clarifying the rules that allow poor countries to break patents and import cheap copies of medicines.

But other countries say the drugs industry has a stranglehold over the White House and is dictating the negotiating position of the US.

The pharmaceutical lobby provided nearly $60m (£39m) in funding in the recent mid-term US elections, helping the Republicans win key seats in their successful bid to retake control of the senate. Now, as one official puts it, "it's pay-back time; the industry is calling in its favours".
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A few more interesting links:
Bush blocks deal allowing cheap drugs for world's poor
The rich world's patents abandon the poor to die
Investors pressure drug firms on pricing
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