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Unread 5 Jan 2014, 04:30   #101
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

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Stats from my end are now final.
Surely not? a couple look really strong and the others look all over the place
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

zik looks awful it can't even steal cr
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Blue_Esper, I don't think I will ever have the opertunity to say this again but, You just told me how I can fix Zik to semi-playable.


Final changes include:
Thief T1 Cr T2 Fi + buffs to d/c a/c
Clipper T1 Co Init 5
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Yeah zik is really playable now............

Whoever goes zik in this xan/ter-centric uni better have a lot of spare time to dc their incs at night.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

why stop at semi playable?
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I see you've edited the stats today Tia. Some changes I would suggest:

Gryphon InIt =5
Pegasus init = 7
Thief T1 = Fi, Type = Normal, Init = 5
Buccaneer = T1= BS T2 = CR
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I like that Isil, But im gona do a bit different:

Clipper T1 Fi init 5
Thief T2 changed to Co
Gry to init 5
Pegs to init 7
Investor T2 Moved to Lich T2
Black Widow init to 8 D/C A/C increased Along with Empres
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

My Suggestion would be
Dealer init 21
Kraken init 20
Move T2 on Thief and put it on the Buccaneer T2
Remove T2 on Lich Make T2 on Investor Co and make it Init 3
Move T2 on Cutlass to Fr and T1 on Corsair to De
Fireblade to Init 4

Should make Cath more appealing
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Unread 6 Jan 2014, 15:50   #109
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Maybe swap the ini on the lich/bomber?

In my head I see xan being like the fastest bastards in space and the 8 just seems out of place, where as the lich is a stolen/traded secret tech ship that has to contend with mainly emp/steal (cr/co) so it's ini doesn't really need to be that low right?

Or alternatively if the bomber was at 6 ini it would shoot after cr and before bs.

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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Yeah, that's what he always says. :P
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

i feel sorry for those people who wanted to go DE and now can't.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

[edit] Holy shit. I was just informed there's an init 3 ship that targets an EMP-less roiding fleet at 104% average efficiency. And it's cloaked. And you have 2 ticks to send it. Hilarious.

[edit] Clipper fires at Fi first, Chimaera and Gryphon between them fire at Co and Bs first, with only the Mara to really get in the way, at T2. Full defensive coverage with Fr + Wyvern and Marauder. So not only does Ter/Zik roid everything, it's a fort. Hilarious.
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Unread 10 Jan 2014, 14:52   #114
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Wow, these stats are messed up!
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Unread 10 Jan 2014, 15:13   #115
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[edit] Holy shit. I was just informed there's an init 3 ship that targets an EMP-less roiding fleet at 104% average efficiency. And it's cloaked. And you have 2 ticks to send it. Hilarious.

[edit] Clipper fires at Fi first, Chimaera and Gryphon between them fire at Co and Bs first, with only the Mara to really get in the way, at T2. Full defensive coverage with Fr + Wyvern and Marauder. So not only does Ter/Zik roid everything, it's a fort. Hilarious.
Did anyone seriously expect anything different from Tia?

These stats were supposed to be balanced yet aggressive. We have ended up with FR dominating everything at alliance eta and fort play being the outcome.

ETD has just above 5% take up meaning it was completely pointless even making stats for it.

I think now in seriousness the PA Team, Appocomaster in particular, needs to
approach all the people who have made stats in the last say 15 rounds and see who wants to form a Stat Making Team. We need to get away from this 'amateur' stat making mentaliy and have a group that works on creating good and balanced stat sets between them. Creating a pool of sets that can be used into future rounds.

Lunar_Lamp hinted earlier that PA team would be open to sets that possibly only used 4 races which i think is a good move forward. ETD seems more and more to be a blight on stat sets and unbalances them unless a large amount of effort is put into the sets and then invraiably they end up boring.

I would like now to petition Appocomaster to step up somewhat and get this area of the game addressed. Essentially stats are the only change of note guaranteed every round and really more organisation and emphasis should be put on getting this area of the game right.

Offering up to 'anyone who has a set' which is how this thread started is a poor way to go about this crucial area of the game and the dross which we have ended up with (which is absolutely nothing like the set Tia proposed btw so the blame isnt entirely with you Tia) is the outcome of a lazy attitude imo.

Please get this organised and sorted, decent stats atleast keep players around (even if it doesnt add to the game), bad sets make people quit playing.
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For once, I absolutely agree with Kaiba.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

we should start on next rounds stats now to distract us from the shit that has been served up this round
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I might try to whip up a set of stats for next rnd tbh.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

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we should start on next rounds stats now
thats actually a very good idea.

why rush stats between rounds every round, when you can make em at the start of a round and be perfecting them as the round goes on?
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Could start beta's during active rounds to fill the boring void between ticks.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I'll take another turn in a few more rounds time would prefer an experience player who hasnt taken a turn to have a go.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I've got initial inits/class/targeting down the set I'm working on, just need to get around to sorting effs.
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I've got initial inits/class/targeting down the set I'm working on, just need to get around to sorting effs.
Im no spreadsheet boffin, might be an idea to ask appoco for a shot at the beta stats, I had to use Efficiencies page on stats to balance emp guns and emp resistances.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Paisley just a heads up the only real way to do emp is through the generator in beta. I tried once tobalance the guns to empres and it all came out wonky. So its best if you just try to set the EFF to what you want using a static # for damage and when you get into the beta adjust the emp res/guns/ shipcosts to get the eff to what you want. Its what takes the most time.
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learning to balance init, targetting and ac/dc next point on to do list ?
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is there a link or something for stat creators to use? or do we have to work in excel first?
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I just work in a spreadsheet.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

are we fans of bringing back specialty ships? like the resource stealer?
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I'm pretty ambivalent towards them. They don't do much harm, they don't do much good.
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First iteration of my set should be up on betaserver by the end of the weekend I reckon.
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First iteration of my set should be up on betaserver by the end of the weekend I reckon.
how can we spot its yours?

atm there is this standard-set (xan fi, cath co, etd and ter bs) with a trillion ships
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

That's mine. Far from done with efficiencies.
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

The goals I wanted to accomplish(and think I have accomplished) are;

- every roidfleet has at least two targets
- etd is a playable race
- there are at least two viable fleet-setups for each race
- each player has the choice of just building roiding-class ships, or buying ships out of roidclass that are more effective (defensively).
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Fr and de is targeted by every class in the game in your set. I don't think that's a good idea
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

I don't view it as a big problem, means people have more options when it comes to fleet-setup. There are no 0-loss defships.
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The viper is zero loss to Fr
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

But it's EMP, who cares.
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But it's EMP, who cares.
See; the Defender last round.
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See; the Defender last round.
There are also Scarabs this round. It's not at all unheard of to have a 0 loss emp ship.
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Fr and de is targeted by every class in the game in your set. I don't think that's a good idea
This round, fr are targeted by: FI/CO/DE/CR/BS,

Do you think FR are bad this round?
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they are pretty easy to stop that's for sure
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This round, fr are targeted by: FI/CO/DE/CR/BS,

Do you think FR are bad this round?

Yes

but it has more to do with scarabs and less to do with FR being bad
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

dont forget the t2 eff of vipers
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

Ok, so I finally got around to checking Isil's stats out.

Black Widow only works against solo Zik Cr, making it useless. Suggest changing it into a high D/C De. At least then most Cr and Bs fleets fire at it with T2.

Zik has 3 T1 anti-Bs ships and no T1 anti-Cr ones. I'd also like to see better cross-pollination between Zik De and Zik Cr (no one likes stealing outside of their roiding classes with their roiding fleets). Switch targets on the Bucc?

4 Ter De is too many. It forces you to split your resources over too many ships, reducing the overall efficiency of your fleet. I see 2 possible solutions.

1) Remove the Pegasus (or move it to Fr or Cr), remove VIper T2 (solving the 0loss issue, even if it's only EMP), remove Thief T2 and removing the Devastator and Sentinel altogether. This gets rid of a lot of T2 in these stats, and makes De a little less defensive.

2) Merge the Pegasus with the Drake or War Frigate. It's worth noting that Ter De is pretty damn strong, and this change would require some reworking of the Inits to make it less so.

Having a ship called 'War Frigate' in De class is weird. Rename.

Xan only has 1 anti-Fr ship and does not need Siege at any point. Suggest adding an Init 7 Cr -> Fr ship. If you remove the Sentinel, Xan also only has 1 anti-De ship. Suggest adding an Init 7 Bs -> De ship.

Etd only has 1 anti-Bs ship, the Investor, and it only fires at Bs at T2. Add an Init 6 De -> Bs ship.

By the way, why are we talking about potential r56 stats in the thread for r55?
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Re: Round 55 stats - any takers?

1) I fail to see how the BW is useless. You have a trade-off between BW, which kills and has lower eta, or taras + scorp who have slower eta and are two ships, but which has a lot better efficiency. Shooting after ter bs and the two emp ships doesn't make a ship "useless". I don't disagree with making it DE class.

2) Don't have any problems with changing the targetting on the Bucc.

3) Having four Ter DE's is a concious decision, it's the "space bricks" choice of style-of-play, you pretty much have to only build one class of ships making you strong defensively, but weak offensively. I'll take another look at it, but I'm not unhappy with it as is.

4) I'll look into adding another ship to xan/ter.

Thank you for your valuable feedback
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Cant you make a round 56 thread for this ?
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