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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 18:40   #1
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Neutral - What is that ?

What means neutrality in this game ? and also i would like to have a few questions answered (i had to answer them myself weeks ago just in a different sense so i wondered what the rest thinks)


1. does that mean that your not allied to anyone ?

if that is the right point, how is that worked out ? is it really possible to be neutral in a round with private gals ? (me looks at retals etc)

2. does that mean that you have allies, which claim to be neutral while they are not hostile to the rest of the game ?????

if that is the right point please explain how that should work in a war game ? isnt attacking, if random targets or not, already a "hostility?"

3. If "you" claim to be neutral but have joint galaxies with certain "not-neutral" alliances doesnt that mean you to follow the rules of their gals ? and if you have members in those galaxies they cant attack galaxies with the same members so isnt that already taking side in a war ?

4. Does neutrality mean = hostile to all ?

that should only work in random round (imo) because "normally" neutrals in jointgalaxies with one of the "powerblocks" arent in the position to make the rules.


5. if that all is wrong, what is neutrality ? (in this game)
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 19:08   #2
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Neutrality is...

...the right to claim, at the end of the round, that your alliance was the real winner, because you had fun.
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Re: Neutral - What is that ?

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What means neutrality in this game ? and also i would like to have a few questions answered (i had to answer them myself weeks ago just in a different sense so i wondered what the rest thinks)


1. does that mean that your not allied to anyone ?

if that is the right point, how is that worked out ? is it really possible to be neutral in a round with private gals ? (me looks at retals etc)

2. does that mean that you have allies, which claim to be neutral while they are not hostile to the rest of the game ?????

if that is the right point please explain how that should work in a war game ? isnt attacking, if random targets or not, already a "hostility?"

3. If "you" claim to be neutral but have joint galaxies with certain "not-neutral" alliances doesnt that mean you to follow the rules of their gals ? and if you have members in those galaxies they cant attack galaxies with the same members so isnt that already taking side in a war ?

4. Does neutrality mean = hostile to all ?

that should only work in random round (imo) because "normally" neutrals in jointgalaxies with one of the "powerblocks" arent in the position to make the rules.


5. if that all is wrong, what is neutrality ? (in this game)
Basically, being 'neutral' means being in a political position to place yourself in the best position possible alliancewise. None of the alliances in this game are neutral, at least not for an entire round.

Most 'neutral' alliances only cowardly wait until it's more obvious what the winning side is before allying to them...

There are the alliances that ally the weaker side to prevent stagnation, but that's rare.
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 19:34   #4
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Re: Neutrality is...

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...the right to claim, at the end of the round, that your alliance was the real winner, because you had fun.
sounds nice but i doubt that is the general opinion but for me it sounds nice
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 19:36   #5
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Re: Re: Neutral - What is that ?

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Basically, being 'neutral' means being in a political position to place yourself in the best position possible alliancewise. None of the alliances in this game are neutral, at least not for an entire round.

Most 'neutral' alliances only cowardly wait until it's more obvious what the winning side is before allying to them...

There are the alliances that ally the weaker side to prevent stagnation, but that's rare.

hits my opinion too, none can be neutral in a round, you will be affected always by the politics..
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 19:47   #6
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ChaoZ and Nemesis were both neutral in Round 6, if albeit we were allied to each other, which considering we had been allied for quite a few rounds didnt really mean much

We did pretty well.
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ChaoZ and Nemesis were both neutral in Round 6, if albeit we were allied to each other, which considering we had been allied for quite a few rounds didnt really mean much

We did pretty well.
and the galaxies in round 6 only contained chaoz and nemesis ?
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 20:14   #8
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Alliances being neutral and players being neutral is different. Neutral alliances attack, and don't avoid, anyone. Neutral players in gals with allied members arn't neutral, unless the alliances in their galaxies are. They simply don't have an alliance, but still have a 'side'.

Neutral players attack anyone, and don't avoid, anyone. But they do this from a neutral galaxy, or without worrying about the effects of breaking rules by attacking their allies (not their personal allies, but people from their 'side', ie. people allied to members of their galaxy).

Also, alliances can use being 'neutral' as an excuse to do poorly.

Neutral AD posters don't have any favourite alliances, don't care who wins and will happily congratulate and abuse all alliances and their members.

There is very few of any of the above around in PA atm.
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Unread 19 Feb 2003, 20:23   #9
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Funny, in real life Switerland is neutral, and it means the polar opposite of what it means in PA.
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Funny, in real life Switerland is neutral, and it means the polar opposite of what it means in PA.
well, in pa ur always the bad guy, no matter which "side" u join

even neutrals have not a good "call"
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Neutral players attack anyone, and don't avoid, anyone. But they do this from a neutral galaxy, or without worrying about the effects of breaking rules by attacking their allies (not their personal allies, but people from their 'side', ie. people allied to members of their galaxy).


There is very few of any of the above around in PA atm.
thats the point, at least what should be called "neutral" but arse knows thats impossible, so there arent real "neutrals".

they always chose a side, if they want or not or they decide to make full alliances galaxies....
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ChaoZ and Nemesis were both neutral in Round 6, if albeit we were allied to each other, which considering we had been allied for quite a few rounds didnt really mean much

We did pretty well.
RIT, ChaoZ and Nemesis were attacking with other alliances, and these certain alliances were part of a 'side'. Members of ChaoZ and NeM were in galaxies with players from alliances which were not neutral, which in the end means... ChaoZ and Nemesis were not neutral at all.
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well, in pa ur always the bad guy, no matter which "side" u join

even neutrals have not a good "call"
My point was that alliances in PA are never, ever neutral. They are indiscriminatly aggressive.

A neutral alliance would not attack any planet on the proviso that they in turn do not attack that alliance. Therefore point 4 in your original post was correct in the context of PA's skewed neutrality.

There are no neutral alliances in planetarion.
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My point was that alliances in PA are never, ever neutral. They are indiscriminatly aggressive.

A neutral alliance would not attack any planet on the proviso that they in turn do not attack that alliance. Therefore point 4 in your original post was correct in the context of PA's skewed neutrality.

There are no neutral alliances in planetarion.
said it in a wrong way then.

i meant that ppl who claim to be neutral arent neutral no matter what (besides they have only galaxies containing members of this one alliance)
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Funny, in real life Switerland is neutral, and it means the polar opposite of what it means in PA.

In planetarion, the alternative to war is so positively frightening, that heads would unhinge themselves from their bodies, grow feet and run amock in the streets of Dublin.

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If I roll over and spread my legs for you.. Then I must be neutral?
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and the galaxies in round 6 only contained chaoz and nemesis ?
Nope they were everywhere. ChaoZ has a policy where by our members attack whom we like. And we did. It was fun
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Nope they were everywhere. ChaoZ has a policy where by our members attack whom we like. And we did. It was fun
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Neutral means indiscriminately targeting and not cooperating with anyone. Its certainly possible, im sure that some allainces have done it though its not the way to get noticed so we havent noticed. Neutrality in the rl sense is not realistic in a game of war. There is no alternative to roiding in PA. As far as the skepticism that any alliance can remain nuetral, the temptation to use politics is a mighty one and any allaince hoping to one day be influential has to play the politics game, but for very small allainces neutrality is possible.

btw Switzerland joined the United Nations, so is no longer Neutral.
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I always hated it when people would confuse "neutrality" with "being two-faced."
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In round 9 you could probably describe most alliances not allied or napped to either VOM, SWEET or NAR as being neutral.

This does not nescisarily mean thay are completly neutral as described in earlier posts but it means they have not yet decided (or at least not told anyone) who are their allies or hostiles for next round. Most of these alliances would probably prefer to stay neutral in that way for the entire round as they generally have no reason to join either of the parties who are already shaping up fora war. But often it will be inevitable to join a side in a war as not joining leaves your gals open for targetting by both sides.

When forced to pick a side to join choosing for the winning side is easy and can keep your alliance in decent shape, where chosing the losing side to counter stagnation is the more noble option mayby.

But either way I think most alliance you can currently call 'neutral' are not inclined to join any powerblock unless there is a real need to do so. They like playing as an alliance with pride of their own and not as flak for some allianceblock even though that is easier. That PA alliance politics and game mechanics often make is nescesary to join a block does not make such a move any fun.

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In round 9 you could probably describe most alliances not allied or napped to either VOM, SWEET or NAR as being neutral.

Neutral is not really the word at all....non-aligned or undeclared probably describes it better.

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Neutral is not really the word at all....non-aligned or undeclared probably describes it better.

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maybe so but it seems that the term neutral is prefered by the HC of the alliance's not wanting to take part in the main block wars
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That's true. That's what it probably would mean? Why is this such a big discussion? Go to dictionary.com and go look up neutral. Lol.

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In round 9 you could probably describe most alliances not allied or napped to either VOM, SWEET or NAR as being neutral.

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That would be so true, if their members was not in galaxies containing members of either VOM, SWEET or NAR.

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ChaoZ and Nemesis were both neutral in Round 6, if albeit we were allied to each other, which considering we had been allied for quite a few rounds didnt really mean much

We did pretty well.
As far as I remember from Round 6 with converstaions with Nova. We tried to be neurtal, in my mind we basically failed. Its true that we were in gals with other alliances, mainly FoS or Xeta. Our 3 Hc at the time were in all opposing Blocks.. One in Xeta, one in FoS, the other's gal eventually switched to Legion I do belive.
At the time we had no care of who was winning, or what side we could help more as WE had interest in all 3. I remembers seeting up several attacks against many FoS/Xeta gals, preferably Xeta as I was in a FoS gal, that were canned, because said HC didnt want to piss off his friends in that perticualr alliance. (I can see why, they worked hard to keep us protected ;-) )

We werents actually neutral Rit, we just believeed we were.
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there is only one true neutral person in pa ... someone who just scans for roids and never attacks ... oh wait thats a farm
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IM NOT A FARM !!!


but your right, you can be only neutral when you dont attack or neutral in the meaning of taking part in an active war like the block wars.

but you can only be "real" neutral in such block-wars when all your members are in galaxies where only your alliance is represented.

all the rest is silly **** and not neutrality.

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For being neutral you first need a situation of at least 2 sides competing/fighting each other.
In case of a block war you're neutral, if you don't choose a side to fight with or the other side to fight against. If you attack a target, cos it's on one side you're NOT neutral. You're just neutral, if you choose a target, cos of the roids. You attack all sides and don't help any side against another.

So in Planetarion you can be neutral. But you're just neutral to the sides in the situation of competition/war.

You're still neutral, when you retal. You're attacking the opponent, cos he attacked you, not for being on a special side.

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there is only one true neutral person in pa ... someone who just scans for roids and never attacks ... oh wait thats a farm
but i thought farming is illegal
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Put it this way... staying neutral means a LOT of hard work all round.
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tbh netural is boring ... pick a side and fight on or don't pick a side and attack em all .... always alot of fun and helps you escape the switerland tag ... chocolate and clocks never a groovie place to be
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1. does that mean that your not allied to anyone ?

if that is the right point, how is that worked out ? is it really possible to be neutral in a round with private gals ? (me looks at retals etc)

2. does that mean that you have allies, which claim to be neutral while they are not hostile to the rest of the game ?????

if that is the right point please explain how that should work in a war game ? isnt attacking, if random targets or not, already a "hostility?"

3. If "you" claim to be neutral but have joint galaxies with certain "not-neutral" alliances doesnt that mean you to follow the rules of their gals ? and if you have members in those galaxies they cant attack galaxies with the same members so isnt that already taking side in a war ?

4. Does neutrality mean = hostile to all ?

that should only work in random round (imo) because "normally" neutrals in jointgalaxies with one of the "powerblocks" arent in the position to make the rules.


5. if that all is wrong, what is neutrality ? (in this game)
1) Generally it means you can have allies but are not part of any power block.

2) yes. It means you dont discriminate between enemies. You attack all equally.

3) Your alliance can be neutral whilst your members can join attacks of their galaxies.

4) Yes. Or if you wish to die, then friendly to all.

5) it means you dont win.
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