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Unread 9 Mar 2008, 01:35   #151
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

you said you'd expand but didn't expand on why you had these non-urwins planets in your arby?
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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you said you'd expand but didn't expand on why you had these non-urwins planets in your arby?
I'd say its a case of a spy copies out of your arbiter early on, you remove people for various things (quitting, spying etc) and ND never updates it arbiter to remove people too, then as you replace people who were removed other alliances believe you have 80.

That said whilst I don't believe its impossible that ND had a spy with arbiter access, I'd find it rather unlikely.
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Unread 9 Mar 2008, 09:32   #153
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surely it's impossible to have an officer when there is nobody for them to have control over? there's just no structure
U think alliance officers actually have power? all a DC/BC can do is ask U to lend Ur ships in attack or defence.
this surely depends whether U think the title officer goes with the role (DC/BC) in which case Asc has many or whether it goes to somone of a destinct rank above the peons in which case Asc has none, I think its the former as the latter is essentially irrelevant.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

The title "officer" implies authority/heirarchy.

Sure, BCs/DCs don't do much but sort def or attacks, but they get access to the co ords of all members of the alliance, and in some allies the whole arby, which is a lot more than normal "peons"
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The title "officer" implies authority/heirarchy.

Sure, BCs/DCs don't do much but sort def or attacks, but they get access to the co ords of all members of the alliance, and in some allies the whole arby, which is a lot more than normal "peons"
ok officer is the title, BC/DC is the role but the title is the useless part so really officers are BC's/DC's remove the title and if they still do the job they are simply performing the officer role without the status imo.
as a DC in Subh I had no more arby access than everyone else and I thought Asc's arby was available for all members to use (?) so there is no difference between an 'officer' and peon level of access, as Asc is exceptional in their wide access I would say this gives them all what would be officer access in most other alliances.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I agree, as a dc in TGV I found myself constructing a memberlist from the people who sent defence so I knew who to contact for members incommings... it obviously makes things much easier to know who has incommings so that you can find out what they will have home and therefore not have to send overkill in defence.

however for all I know TGV may well have been exceptional in not giving DC's any access to where members are.

on the other hand there are obviously good reasons for why members and officers may well not be given access to member-lists or any intel that the alliance might have. In an alliance like TGV that had its member-lists leaked in both rounds I was a member there is quite good cause to be paranoid! whether these member-lists being leaked actually lead to a higher number of incoming is open for debate, tho I doubt it.

It is the smaller alliances that are in many ways the most vulnerable and therefore potentially have most to lose from giving any free access to arbys/member-lists as they are easy to target and may be considered a soft target by larger alliances. Presumably this is the reason why members of small alliances like HR and HA feel the need to fake-nick (although my reaction tends to be who really cares if you are from alliance X!)

there is rather less reason for these alliances to be secretive about any intel they have on other alliances. surely it would make members feel rather more valuable to, and trusted by their alliance if they are given enough information to be able to work out who their attackers are etc. I don't see how it costs the alliance to make this information available, the HC's can just mark all friendly alliance (or ones you think U might be friendly with later) as 'friendly' without any distinction as to what alliance they may be. (although I fear I have put this in the wrong thread )
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

Both DC and BC are positions of leadership, they're filled by people who tell other people what to do. These other people give officers power by following their instructions. This is one of the aspects that define power. Some DCs and BCs also have access to information and resources which other members don't. This too is indicative of power.

How you got the mistaken idea that officers have no power, I don't know, but the simple fact that someone is a DC or BC gives him more power than normal members.


As for Ascendancy's hierarchy, even though we have no leaders and no followers, we do have people who set up attacks more often than others, and we have people who have more influence over what we do than others. Despite the fact that we don't label these people with the HC, DC or BC stamps (indeed, they would be too limiting to even work for most of us), they have more power than the rest of us, just like officers in other alliances.

The only difference is that this power is much more easily attained than usual. I could decide to set up attacks, or help my galaxy mates sort out their defence. I could put time into retrieving intel and adding it to Munin or I could play the politics game. And unlike in other alliances, no one would berate me for "doing things I'm not supposed to". And just like in other alliances, my power would grow.
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Unread 9 Mar 2008, 13:38   #158
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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I had plenty of people staying in the ally if we wanted to keep it running, however, TGV has always been insistent on that we are to have a fixed officers crew and the guarantee that activity with officers wont be a problem. The people that left us after this round was nothing more than normal, the decision not to play was made because of the difficulty running an active alliance with no officers because they didn't have time or decided to quit PA, some left for pastures green, but no-one of the officers did that how ever, they just quitted.

The pressure on the alliance with the tags being made even bigger this round made the decision easy for us as we saw there was no way in hell we could compete for our members.

We have the core, but no officers.
Sounds like you were about disband TGV regardless of what Pattene did with the alliance limits. Without your officers/core/whatever else that quit, you wouldn't be able to compete anyway...

I'm not saying that this won't affect other alliances and I agree that the new limit is too huge. But in your case I don't think it makes any huge difference and that you're just using it an excuse to have a go at Pattene.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

#1 Orbit ---- Orbit has been around for a while now getting stronger and stronger, they will win EASILY this round, very organised bunch of players.
#2 Redemption
#3 NewDawn -----good but just wont cut it
#4 Subh ---- reformed with me in charge, should be a decent force
#5 Ascendancy
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#1 Orbit ---- Orbit has been around for a while now getting stronger and stronger, they will win EASILY this round, very organised bunch of players.
#2 Redemption
#3 NewDawn -----good but just wont cut it
#4 Subh ---- reformed with me in charge, should be a decent force
#5 Ascendancy
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

well the alliance limits being raised surprised me to, but im confident we'll be able to fill it up quite nicely, seeing our playercore keeps growing every round.

alltho i do like these prediction threads tho, they never seem to include us in the top 10 heh
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I'm similarly amused - we've been in the top 5 for 5 out of the last 6 rounds - and in the top ten for as long as I can remember.

Still, it's often a good thing to be overlooked by your enemies.
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

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and we have people who have more influence over what we do than others. Despite the fact that we don't label these people with the HC, DC or BC stamps (indeed, they would be too limiting to even work for most of us), they have more power than the rest of us, just like officers in other alliances.
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#1 Orbit ---- Orbit has been around for a while now getting stronger and stronger, they will win EASILY this round, very organised bunch of players.
#2 Redemption
#3 NewDawn -----good but just wont cut it
#4 Subh ---- reformed with me in charge, should be a decent force
#5 Ascendancy
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#9 TGV
#10 Jenova
Jenova way down in #10? Ascendancy in #5? A bit of an underestimation don't you think? Jenova and Ascendancy will make top 5 easy...

Now as for Orbit, they came #10 this round, just over half of NewDawn's score, don't you think your underestimating the jump from #10 to #1?
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

Well it is Jenova's first round back - will be tough to win in those circumstances. As for Ascendancy, 5th is probably a fair reflection. I dont believe they would have a strategy that the community wouldn't be able to adapt to as the round went on.
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Well it is Jenova's first round back - will be tough to win in those circumstances.
Is this a bigger advantage, or disadvantage?

ND have been around for all of the rounds, but that's only given us chance to piss people off enough to want to stop us getting 3 in a row.

1up, eX, Ascendancy and CT all won their first rounds (at least first 'proper' rounds, since I remember seeing a smaller asc tag in r15)
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I imagine that in part depends on the perception of a threat or not, a new alliance which is expected to rock the boat may have a hard time of it - fear of the unknown, A new alliance which grows un-noticed has a significant advantage.
All new alliance have a certain intel advantage that their whole member base is new so its more difficult to pin down who is in the alliance for other alliances, i know little of this intel stuff but I imagine the map the universe starting with knowns ppl known to be in an alliance, they send out def and slowly its mapped but with a new alliance, beyond the HC its hard to know for sure who is in even if they dont fakenick
as I say I kno little of this stuff so correct me if Im wrong - but it seems its stacked towards an advantage being new
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Jenova way down in #10? Ascendancy in #5? A bit of an underestimation don't you think? Jenova and Ascendancy will make top 5 easy...

Now as for Orbit, they came #10 this round, just over half of NewDawn's score, don't you think your underestimating the jump from #10 to #1?

well remember what happend to jenova in previous rounds, i have good information that orbit have mass recruited some of the best pa players this world has ever seen, such as ChronoX for example plus alot more skill. #10 to #1 seems perfectly possible for an alliance such as orbit.

As for ascendancy, they never seem to cut it do they so why now? as GJN commented, surely it seems like a fair reflection of where they are likely to end up.
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If we finish in the top 5, then I will run round Nelsons Column in London 5 times wearing only a thong and an Orbit t-shirt.
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If we finish in the top 5, then I will run round Nelsons Column in London 5 times wearing only a thong and an Orbit t-shirt.

oh i thought they ditched u

in that case its unlikely orbit will win
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why not top #1? or do ND want that
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I did not say anything about what rank in top5

Everyone wants the #1 rank, not everyone can get it tho!
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If Smudge raises the stakes further, I'm sure ND would be willing to sacrifice the top spot.

As for the topic: how well do people expect NoX and Redemption to do? If their HC aren't lying and they do go for ~40 members or so, then I imagine they'd be up for getting involved in a few of the top-ally ruckuses because it's more fun than racing for rank 10. I'm hoping to see a return to teh smaller sized, but effective alliances we've seen before (Eg ToT r13, SiN, VS...)
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I dont know whether to love or hate gates posts, I mean i've always tried to be a lover not a hater, but theres always an agenda about gates posts, I mean its subtle and its a nice change, but all my emotions are confused, I think i've been hanging around qebab too long, because im starting to become a carebear about the situation, im all confused man.
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I dont know whether to love or hate gates posts, I mean i've always tried to be a lover not a hater, but theres always an agenda about gates posts, I mean its subtle and its a nice change, but all my emotions are confused, I think i've been hanging around qebab too long, because im starting to become a carebear about the situation, im all confused man.
let it out alki

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If Smudge raises the stakes further, I'm sure ND would be willing to sacrifice the top spot.

As for the topic: how well do people expect NoX and Redemption to do? If their HC aren't lying and they do go for ~40 members or so, then I imagine they'd be up for getting involved in a few of the top-ally ruckuses because it's more fun than racing for rank 10. I'm hoping to see a return to teh smaller sized, but effective alliances we've seen before (Eg ToT r13, SiN, VS...)
no idea where either of them will get 40 quality players from when the allys that have been around will be trying to recruit 15 more people
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no idea where either of them will get 40 quality players from when the allys that have been around will be trying to recruit 15 more people

we started early and bagged them all before the size increase.
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well remember what happend to jenova in previous rounds, i have good information that orbit have mass recruited some of the best pa players this world has ever seen, such as ChronoX for example plus alot more skill. #10 to #1 seems perfectly possible for an alliance such as orbit.

As for ascendancy, they never seem to cut it do they so why now? as GJN commented, surely it seems like a fair reflection of where they are likely to end up.
Fair point. But Jenova has also picked up some extremely good players. It will be a very good round and some great battles between alliances. From the time I've been back into the game I haven't heard much about Orbit so I'm very interested to see what they are capable of, but from what I've heard I still believe Jenova will come out on top.
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Fair point. But Jenova has also picked up some extremely good players. It will be a very good round and some great battles between alliances.
I hope so.

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I don't think CBA was being serious.

Unless Orbit have had eXilition merge into them whilst I wasn't looking, they are not going to be able to run for the win. No offence meant to them.
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I don't think CBA was being serious.

Unless Orbit have had eXilition merge into them whilst I wasn't looking, they are not going to be able to run for the win. No offence meant to them.

o_O i wasn't

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All I can say is that to see Smudge running would be worth orbit stepping up to the plate, but wearing an Orbit T-Shirt aswell well there is no denying this will give all orbiters everywhere the necessary motivation to tear ND a new one and finish well in the top 5!




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ND and CT will block and share bp's but a plague will be put on them by satan allmighty leading to their sudden death at tick 666...

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#1 Jenova
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1) Newdawn
2) Jenova
3) Asc
4) [Infamous]
5) Nox
6) Denial
7) xVx
8) Orbit
9) Tof/Conspiracy
10) Same as above ^^


I think its quite clear who the main runners are for this. But everyone keeps claiming it will be between ND and Jenova. I dont think so. Nox even though small have a great bunch of elite players. We know about Redemption and Denial also as new alliances to the round. Plus of course now [Infamous] has joined the group. They also have a strong base of players so will be an interesting one. But i think some how ND will win based on pollitics. I hope i am proven wrong
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if ascendancy don't win this coming round jbg is some incompetent fool
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Were not winning?
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1) Jenova
2) Asc
3) Newdawn
4) [Infamous]
5) Denial
6) Nox
7) F-Crew
8) Orbit
9) xVx
10) ToF
11) Redemption
12) Howling Rain
13) Hidden Agenda
14) Conspiracy
15) CBA's TROLL ARMY

just a bit of fun now i know where the strenghs are. glad [inf] came out of the shadows though, thought it was only nox and denial lurking ;D
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

1) Newdawn
2) Denial
3) Jenova
4) Nox
5) Redemption
6) Tof
7) Orbit
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Its amusing how many people keep thinking we are the threat. Well i can tell you now tbh we are not as much as a threat as people think. We are struggling for members as much as everyone is with this new allie limit. From what ive heard only ND are the full tag. So this will be an interesting round. Btw i think [Infamous] Should come out and be public now.. becuase its getting old hiding guys we found you. Anyway gud luck all
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#1 [Infamous]
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1) Newdawn
2) Denial
3) Jenova
4) Nox
5) Redemption
6) Tof
7) Orbit
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10) xvx


Its amusing how many people keep thinking we are the threat. Well i can tell you now tbh we are not as much as a threat as people think. We are struggling for members as much as everyone is with this new allie limit. From what ive heard only ND are the full tag. So this will be an interesting round. Btw i think [Infamous] Should come out and be public now.. becuase its getting old hiding guys we found you. Anyway gud luck all

xvx had 75+ last round, doubt they got less now
oh btw seeing as im going away and cant access irc and cba to look, who are infamous?
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Re: Round 26 Predictions?

I don't see VGN even in top15 predictions, they're not playing r26 ?
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people just don't think they will be t15 :|
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1) Newdawn
2) Denial
3) Jenova
4) Nox
5) Redemption
6) Tof
7) Orbit
8) [Infamous]
9) Asc
10) xvx


Its amusing how many people keep thinking we are the threat. Well i can tell you now tbh we are not as much as a threat as people think. We are struggling for members as much as everyone is with this new allie limit. From what ive heard only ND are the full tag. So this will be an interesting round. Btw i think [Infamous] Should come out and be public now.. becuase its getting old hiding guys we found you. Anyway gud luck all

Lol and lol.

Denial shouldn't be top 3 imo, due to lack of members.

It's ironic though - I'd almost certainly say that anyway. As are xvx, NewDawn, Jenova, VGN etc.

I wonder who's gonna have the balls to actually come out and say they have 75 members? Because I'm sure at least two alliances do.

I wish we were one of them to be honest, it may give us a fighting chance.
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