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Unread 22 Nov 2011, 15:01   #51
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

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lol, ult has new propaganda: watch out for App, they will do what we did last round

but serious, lets go back to last round. xvx vs ct/nd. Ult allied xvx and made a longterm ceasefire with ct/nd. So how is app in the same situation exactly? unless app has alliance/ceasefire with top 3 (including ult)

also why would app want to see ct/nd fight each other and at the same time want them to fight ult???? and the funniest part is App switching tag members to make it complete.

to summarize ULT propaganda machine:
APP makes ct/nd gangbang ult
APP wants ct nd to go at each other so it helps ult???
APP switchs tagmembers to hide score?????
APP is preparing to fight their main competitors and "allies" CT ND

ULT will not use their allies as incmagnet like what happened to xvx. Ult is just looking for the best interest of ct/nd and warning them against great satan app.

all makes sense j0!
How about we just state facts..

Apprime have 10 members in top 36 value, 16 in top 100 value.
Ultores have 2 in top 50 value and 6 in top 100 value.
CT have 12 in top 100 value.
ND have 17 in top 100 value.

Apprime have 20 players in the top 10 gals.
Ultores have 5 players in the top 10 gals.
CT have 12 players in the top 10 gals.
ND have 12 players in the top 10 gals.

Apprime have an average size of 1085.
Ultores have an average size of 723.
CT have an average size of 771.
ND have an average size of 824.

It's pretty obvious to me that Apprime are perfectly positioning themselves here to win both planet, gal and alliance while everyone else falls over themselves to try their hardest to let it happen.
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Ultores Members: 63/62 (50), Value: 91471225 (79593396), Avg: 1451924 (1591867), Score: 126604345 (110946036), Avg: 2009592 (2218920), Size: 44197 (37546), Avg: 701 (750), XP: 585552 (522544), Avg: 9294 (10450)

Apprime Members: 43/43, Value: 74140283, Avg: 1724192, Score: 95204423, Avg: 2214056, Size: 45904, Avg: 1067, XP: 351069, Avg: 8164

NewDawn Members: 84/80 (50), Value: 133214890 (95781389), Avg: 1585891 (1915627), Score: 188267290 (130367489), Avg: 2241277 (2607349), Size: 69518 (52049), Avg: 827 (1040), XP: 917540 (576435), Avg: 10923 (11528)

Conspiracy Members: 78/80 (50), Value: 121086777 (89180868), Avg: 1552394 (1783617), Score: 170750337 (124382148), Avg: 2189106 (2487642), Size: 60167 (43587), Avg: 771 (871), XP: 827726 (586688), Avg: 10611 (11733)

The in bracket values are the values of the top50 planets in tag - those that count to score.
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Unread 22 Nov 2011, 17:20   #53
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Oh nice, I wasn't expecting any sort of serious response from an Apprime member, seems I taught you well Hunter

Still doesn't really change the fact that apprime are looking like they'll dominate planet and galaxy ranks and be extremely difficult to roid with such a high concentration of members in top 10 gals (that aren't forts either!). Being value heavy and hard to roid lends itself very nicely to winning ally, as we saw last round with Ultores and they're the only ones anywhere near this position at the moment.
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Unread 22 Nov 2011, 18:01   #54
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Nice to see AD with some numbers attached
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

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Oh nice, I wasn't expecting any sort of serious response from an Apprime member, seems I taught you well Hunter

Still doesn't really change the fact that apprime are looking like they'll dominate planet and galaxy ranks and be extremely difficult to roid with such a high concentration of members in top 10 gals (that aren't forts either!). Being value heavy and hard to roid lends itself very nicely to winning ally, as we saw last round with Ultores and they're the only ones anywhere near this position at the moment.
I guess your intel is pretty shit then.
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Unread 22 Nov 2011, 20:50   #56
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

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How about we just state facts..

Apprime have 10 members in top 36 value, 16 in top 100 value.
Ultores have 2 in top 50 value and 6 in top 100 value.
CT have 12 in top 100 value.
ND have 17 in top 100 value.

Apprime have 20 players in the top 10 gals.
Ultores have 5 players in the top 10 gals.
CT have 12 players in the top 10 gals.
ND have 12 players in the top 10 gals.

Apprime have an average size of 1085.
Ultores have an average size of 723.
CT have an average size of 771.
ND have an average size of 824.

It's pretty obvious to me that Apprime are perfectly positioning themselves here to win both planet, gal and alliance while everyone else falls over themselves to try their hardest to let it happen.
APP whoopin em all even when u compare 45 planets to 50 :P
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

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I guess your intel is pretty shit then.
I'm back to being disappointed after this response, its a shame because you built yourself an excellent platform with your first post.
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I'm back to being disappointed after this response, its a shame because you built yourself an excellent platform with your first post.
What kind of response did you actually expect after trying to "interpret" the facts to suit your hypothesis. You pasted numbers that only confirm what we already knew long time ago:

- Apprime is playing for value
- Apprime is playing for top planet ranks
- Apprime is playing for top galaxy ranks

The score difference between the #1 alliance and App is > 35m, and growing in tendency:

http://knowitall.cthq.net/?p=compare...e4=&show=score

So, your comment is nothing but a troll hiding under a bunch of numbers, and you think hunters response is a shame :P
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Maybe if you didn't swap people in and out of tag all the time to keep your score down it would show a truer(?) reflection..
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Maybe if you didn't swap people in and out of tag all the time to keep your score down it would show a truer(?) reflection..
Lol. Another hypothesis? We have like 3 members atm with more actual score than the contributed score. All the others have never left the alliance. It does not even make sense, because the score they contributed would be lost for the alliance.
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Actually, seeing as you just said that you're not playing for alliance rankings, that makes total sense.
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Actually, seeing as you just said that you're not playing for alliance rankings, that makes total sense.
No, it does not. Just because we're not playing for top alliance does not mean it's a good idea to squander ally score.
Also: not playing for top ally != not playing for rank.
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

And what makes this round different to others Apprime have done it Gio2k?

(I know they have, I was there at the time)
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

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Lol. Another hypothesis? We have like 3 members atm with more actual score than the contributed score. All the others have never left the alliance. It does not even make sense, because the score they contributed would be lost for the alliance.
No, more the basis that when I was in Apprime (for more than one round i may add, this is your first is it not?) the exact same thing went on. Like Shev said, why change a habit they have had for the last few rounds now....
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No, it does not. Just because we're not playing for top alliance does not mean it's a good idea to squander ally score.
Also: not playing for top ally != not playing for rank.
Of course you can play for both top tag and top planet. If you'd said you were playing for both, then my post would not have made any sense. Thankfully, you didn't, and it did.
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No, more the basis that when I was in Apprime (for more than one round i may add, this is your first is it not?) the exact same thing went on. Like Shev said, why change a habit they have had for the last few rounds now....
yea right dude, how many rounds were u in apprime? i was there since the ally got created and this "habit" doesnt exist. We kicked some ppl for sucking and prolly joined other alliances. i think 1 went and joined ult and some other is in dwtfkfk.

its funny tho, this zeitgeist conspiracy has been created by the ppl who got kicked from apprime (never were core members) and joined ultores. silly propaganda baseless acussations j0
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

ascendancy members who played a round or 2 in apprime and now in ULT accusing apprime for something without any prooof.

btw when is ultores adding their 10 planets who are still out of tag????
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

Ive heard it said that monkeys could play this game and your actions have certainly supported that theory
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Re: Round over after 450 ticks?

I'm sure, considering gio2k's post, that apprime aren't swapping lots isn't what's actually going on this round. However Colt and Shev are correct that this happened in previous rounds. There may be a couple of planets still out of tag for apprime but I wouldn't be too sure either way. Apprime is similar to some aspects to Ultores last round, heavy value, light enough incs, good galaxies, high average roid count etc. It's slightly different in others due to the make-up of the memberbase. For example 17 planets in apprime are t50 on roids but there are only 7 from #51 to #220. This is something that happened with ascendancy a fair bit in the rounds we weren't 100% concentrating on trying to win. You get a certain % of top planets and a lot of people who don't really give too much of a shit. I wouldn't say apprime are as much of a threat to win the round as Ultores last round but there's certainly no sense to ignoring apprime outright as quite obviously they have the ability to win from this point.
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yea right dude, how many rounds were u in apprime? i was there since the ally got created and this "habit" doesnt exist. We kicked some ppl for sucking and prolly joined other alliances. i think 1 went and joined ult and some other is in dwtfkfk.

its funny tho, this zeitgeist conspiracy has been created by the ppl who got kicked from apprime (never were core members) and joined ultores. silly propaganda baseless acussations j0
uhm, 5 in total i think... rd32 (when it was created) and rd 33 and then rd 41/2/3.... so in the last 10 rounds that i have played, half of them were in App not that it matters
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Of course you can play for both top tag and top planet. If you'd said you were playing for both, then my post would not have made any sense. Thankfully, you didn't, and it did.
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If you are playing for top tag, it does not make sense to swap members in and out of tag, because you lose score everytime you do.
Apprime is not playing for top tag, but obviously we care about finishing as high as we can, ergo it still does not make sense to throw away score.

For apprime to win the round, it would take some really big mistakes from both CT / ND and probably Ultores too. All those 3 alliances have better chances of winning the round. If we had a full tag that would be a different story. But we don't :P
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Apprime is not playing for top tag, but obviously we care about finishing as high as we can, ergo it still does not make sense to throw away score.
It does if it makes you look smaller and therefore less dangerous. And like others have said, you've done it before, so clearly, the willingness to sacrifice tag score is there. Whether or not you're actually doing it, I don't know. But it makes total sense to do it.

I wouldn't even be mad. Honest!
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We have 40 planets out of tag at the moment.
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It does if it makes you look smaller and therefore less dangerous. And like others have said, you've done it before, so clearly, the willingness to sacrifice tag score is there. Whether or not you're actually doing it, I don't know. But it makes total sense to do it.

I wouldn't even be mad. Honest!
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lol i for some reason hope thats true, even tho im sure its not
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just saw apprimes roid loss - shoudl be a fun week or so coming for ND
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They are pathetic to hit a tag of 40 you need 4 alliancese
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... are they complaining?? about ND and ULT only hitting them last night? thats a '45' man tag (who knows how many are in/out right now) being hit by two alliances ... sounds like what ct/app have been hitting ult with all round ...
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125 (app and ct) hitting 60 (ult) is the same as 139 (ND and Ult) hitting 45 (app)???

Regardless of how many Apprime having in or out of tag they only have 45 that defend the alliance directly. Any ingal are just the same as other alliance have as back up (through indirect naps and so on)

Im sure you got others to gangbang Apprime aswell... i heard DFWTK was told to hit an Apprime galaxy the other night so doing the same last night would be no suprise.
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Wonderful. More crying over blocking. I should know better to expect people to stop being surprised at something that's happened for as long as this game has existed.
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Similiar what happened to Ultores last round, which Apprime participated in which I must add.

I suppose it was all fun and games last round when you participated in a gang bang on a 47 man tag, but when it's happening to you, it's 'pathetic'.
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similiar what happened to ultores last round, which apprime participated in which i must add.

I suppose it was all fun and games last round when you participated in a gang bang on a 47 man tag, but when it's happening to you, it's 'pathetic'.
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APP hasnt had incs all round. And cardi started this himself so I really dont feel bad for you.
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Yah we switch planets in and out of tag so it shows roid loses. Its easy when you have 100 planets you should try it to.
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wtf are you talking about? APP hasnt had incs all round until now ... what does that have to do with swapping planets?
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wtf are you talking about? ND hasnt had incs all round until now ... what does that have to do with swapping planets?
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lol, didnt think app would emo over it
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I don't emo about the gangbang, i emo about your stupidity neroon. As PR i feel the need to help you but on the other hand i dont wanna
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it seems ND lost some roids today..... what happened?

maniac tnx for not feeling bad btw, its appreciated. next time u want to go at app with your pals ULT DWTFK DLR TOF, u might end up losing 13k roids in 1 day

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Don't include DLR as anyones friend in this little spat.

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it seems ND lost some roids today..... what happened?

maniac tnx for not feeling bad btw, its appreciated. next time u want to go at app with your pals ULT DWTFK DLR TOF, u might end up losing 13k roids in 1 day

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Wow app is sooooo hardcore >< you lost roids to ULT and ND quit trying to make it seem that bad. You guys suck at def simple as that. Whats happening to ND is a lot less to brag about. You have shown your true lack of PA skill but you do have great skill at getting every alliance possible to join in on a gang bang. Something ND has been against all round. I'm proud of you >< you still have not come close to the incs ND has had ... and you still are an easy target.
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Don't worry. Everyone already knows DLR are cowards.
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Wow app is sooooo hardcore >< you lost roids to ULT and ND quit trying to make it seem that bad. You guys suck at def simple as that. Whats happening to ND is a lot less to brag about. You have shown your true lack of PA skill but you do have great skill at getting every alliance possible to join in on a gang bang. Something ND has been against all round. I'm proud of you >< you still have not come close to the incs ND has had ... and you still are an easy target.
So ND will be coming to take their roids back??

Didnt Grog just pretty much admit that they hit App aswell as 'equal oppurtunity raiders'??

DFWTK were definatly told by Ult or ND to hit App galaxies, i know, i was there.

Surely part of PA is good politics and being able to gain the advantage how ever necessary within the rules of the game. Apprime cant help if they have better friends than you. I find it intresting that for a proclaimed hated alliance they seem to be able to pull a lot of helpers out when shit goes down.

Just accept that tho when its quiet ND can outfarm and grow most other alliances (look i said a positive thing about you) when it comes to war and tactics and coordination your alliance falls down against alliances such as Ult and App, alliances that have fluid bcing and always seem to pick the right timing and the right planets.
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Wow app is sooooo hardcore >< you lost roids to ULT and ND quit trying to make it seem that bad. You guys suck at def simple as that. Whats happening to ND is a lot less to brag about. You have shown your true lack of PA skill but you do have great skill at getting every alliance possible to join in on a gang bang. Something ND has been against all round. I'm proud of you >< you still have not come close to the incs ND has had ... and you still are an easy target.
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ND against gangbangs ahahhaha, if u were then why didnt ND go against app 1 vs 1? the first night before app got gangbanged we found out ND ULT DWTFK DLR TOF would hit us. we also knew some other alliances got asked but they rejected the offer. so yes after a couple nights we took a beating we decided we can also can play that game. so pls stop whining about how bad u have it with the biggest tag, and ND is known never to go in a fight without backup, even against a tag half your size.

seriously digital leaving you in control is bad, because u always manage to fk it up so bad

ND is only against gangbangs when it happens on them :crymeariver:

edit: it seems we arent as easy target as ND tho
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So ND will be coming to take their roids back??

Didnt Grog just pretty much admit that they hit App aswell as 'equal oppurtunity raiders'??

DFWTK were definatly told by Ult or ND to hit App galaxies, i know, i was there.

Surely part of PA is good politics and being able to gain the advantage how ever necessary within the rules of the game. Apprime cant help if they have better friends than you. I find it intresting that for a proclaimed hated alliance they seem to be able to pull a lot of helpers out when shit goes down.

Just accept that tho when its quiet ND can outfarm and grow most other alliances (look i said a positive thing about you) when it comes to war and tactics and coordination your alliance falls down against alliances such as Ult and App, alliances that have fluid bcing and always seem to pick the right timing and the right planets.
Are you mental? the only alliances putting a lot of incs on app are ND and ULT the entire round ND has had a lot of incs, only a few behind CT who has been at war all round. And as far as war goes ND fairs quite well ... but there isnt much you can do vs that many incs. APP lost all of their roids to 1/4 that many incs.
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ND against gangbangs ahahhaha, if u were then why didnt ND go against app 1 vs 1? the first night before app got gangbanged we found out ND ULT DWTFK DLR TOF would hit us. we also knew some other alliances got asked but they rejected the offer. so yes after a couple nights we took a beating we decided we can also can play that game. so pls stop whining about how bad u have it with the biggest tag, and ND is known never to go in a fight without backup, even against a tag half your size.

seriously digital leaving you in control is bad, because u always manage to fk it up so bad

ND is only against gangbangs when it happens on them :crymeariver:

edit: it seems we arent as easy target as ND tho

PLS we had more incs in one night from more alliances then you have in a week. As far as who was in on the 'gang bang' on APP ND only worked with ULT. As far as whining, no one is whining. You can try to paint your self as the victim all day. Or the great winner all day, but in the end APP isnt worth a crap anymore.
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So ND will be coming to take their roids back??

Didnt Grog just pretty much admit that they hit App aswell as 'equal oppurtunity raiders'??

DFWTK were definatly told by Ult or ND to hit App galaxies, i know, i was there.
I was told by DFWTK the first night they only had 4 claims ... so I really dont even consider that a part of much. But if it helps APP feel good saying they got incs from another alliance so be it ><
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