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Unread 18 Mar 2011, 03:52   #1
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Will add comments after some food...

Note that all calculations have been done by hand, so anything is prone to change, though the big lines are set and I don't see any big gaping holes myself. Feel free to point out anything you think seems wrong (omg Cath has 3 pods!! Yes, yes indeed they do!).

Added a Zik Cr->Bs init 5 ship, changed Pirate to Cr->Cr/Bs. All this to make Zik Cr a little more viable and able to stand on its own.

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Unread 18 Mar 2011, 04:29   #2
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They look pretty good quite like them
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

I seriously dislike zik atm... They are vulnerable for incs from everyone, and need a load of cath protection both on defence and on offence. This means it is only a race for the flagshipplayers in the large allies, and shipfarmers.
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I seriously dislike zik atm... They are vulnerable for incs from everyone, and need a load of cath protection both on defence and on offence. This means it is only a race for the flagshipplayers in the large allies, and shipfarmers.
When is this ever not the case? The only exceptions I can think of was r39, when Zik had 2 Co's, one stealing Fi/Co and one killing Fr/Co at low init and they were by far the strongest race because of a Co dominant round, the other being rounds where they had a De shooting Fi/Co at low init, which I don't want to give them this round because Fi/Co already has it fairly rough.

The one change I could do to buff up their Cr fleet is giving them a Cr->Bs killship (with either init 4 or 5). Ter/Etd Bs in its current state quite strong already, so giving Zik a counter to that would be ok.

But remember that Zik always looks "easily hit" by everyone, until you factor in their high armor/damage.
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iirc, R38 their DE was fairly strong (the only way to counter ETD FR dominance imho).
R35 their CR was pretty much invincible (granted it was a round with single targetting)
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Widow and phoenix are way too strong ^^
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

Widow might be too strong, as I said I've only done manual ERes calcs so I might've lost the big picture on some ships. Phoenix is strong intentionally because it's an odd ship; you need anti-fr/de in both your attack fleets, so building Phoenix would be somewhat redundant. It's mostly for Ter scanners to spend their dime on.
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

I haven't looked at the stats, nor do I care to, but I am already more inclined to believe they're good because you're able to coherently explain the choices you've made. Kudos.
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Not bad :)

At a quick glance, they look quite allright. The fact that the pods are well spread out reagarding to ship class and race, are indeed my liking.

Also that you´ve considered more possible combinations with the third cat pod, is something imo, PA needs.

Perhaps work more on that idea, I wouldn´t mind having three pods for each race. It simply gives the game more attack opportunities, and makes def fleet setups more complicated, which imo is a good thing (the more attacking, the better the round).

And it´s not that each race needs to be able to flak it´s own pods 100%, that would also encourage more joint attacking, with smaller planets teaming up with bigger ones, giving a better chance to do some serious escort attacks, with huge leaps in XP/score.

Anyway enough about that, I´ll give these stats a
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just by looking at them for 10 seconds I can tell that these are infinately more interesting and playable than the ones proposed by pateam for next rnd
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just by looking at them for 10 seconds I can tell that these are infinately more interesting and playable than the ones proposed by pateam for next rnd
I completely agree with this statement, well done Patrikc, I can only hope they replace the awful proposed stats that we currently have
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Unread 19 Mar 2011, 21:03   #12
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Perhaps work more on that idea, I wouldn´t mind having three pods for each race.
We've had "3-pod stats" before, with each race having 3 except Zik (who had 2). At start I kept all races at 2 pods, but I saw an opportunity to make things more interesting by giving Cat a Fr fleet while also making Zik Fr (and Fr/De in general) more viable.

Thanks for the positive reactions all, I feel pretty good about these stats. Even if they don't get implemented this round, I hope PATeam will consider them for r42. Gives us another 8-12 weeks to perfect them!


Added a Zik Cr->Bs init 5 ship, changed Pirate to Cr->Cr/Bs (decreased efficiencies a little to compensate). All this to make Zik Cr a little more viable and able to stand on its own. Affects Ter Bs a little, but they can still team up with Etd or just hit Etd/Cat.
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i can fully approve the stats now
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I like those stats. Well done.
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alot better than the current beta stats... but I still wouldn't touch terran bs with a barge pole
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Try Peg+Bs/Defender+Bs fort gal, Paisley. ;p

Fakin' De as Bs all day!
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

You'd be a lot better off actually pming your stats to appoco as opposed to posting them here. Presuming you haven't already done so that is!
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Will add comments after some food...

Note that all calculations have been done by hand, so anything is prone to change, though the big lines are set and I don't see any big gaping holes myself. Feel free to point out anything you think seems wrong (omg Cath has 3 pods!! Yes, yes indeed they do!).

Added a Zik Cr->Bs init 5 ship, changed Pirate to Cr->Cr/Bs. All this to make Zik Cr a little more viable and able to stand on its own.
Add a little more emp res to the cutlass and game on I say
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alot better than the current beta stats... but I still wouldn't touch terran bs with a barge pole
I wouldn't touch ANY bs/cr with a barge pole for the simple fact of +2 eta on anything...

Unless something really major happens with fi/co's stats, I won't be changing my gameplan
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The huge benefit of having cr/bs over another metaclass (and to be honest, the only one) is offensive power. Something Apprime has demonstrated a couple of times now, having cr/bs as fleet strat means you effectively triple the pressure on an opponent compared to fi/co with fake attacks. The same goes for Xan fi/co of course, but only a newbie statsmaker would make a pure Xan alliance work.

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looks nice Pat. Should i return and try it :P
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leave out the peacekeepers for xan and make em weak vs terran BS like they should be and they are good. Never understood why xan have cr/bs ships.
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Hopefully Appoco will come around and accept these stats* as the stats for next round.

* with small alterations if needed
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Hopefully Appoco will come around and accept these stats* as the stats for next round.

* with small alterations if needed
already suggested this to him... said "it's too late to change stats"....

and of course he has 3 or 4 fanboys in #beta telling him how great the current stats are... impossible to negotiate...
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Well, in my experience Appoco does tend to see reason*. I think it's easy to see Patrikc's stats are far superior to the current set on the beta server.



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leave out the peacekeepers for xan and make em weak vs terran BS like they should be and they are good. Never understood why xan have cr/bs ships.
It's a trade-off. Xan has horrid Research speed, so in order to get to cr/bs early they'd have to sacrifice either tt-3/4 or HCT, neither of which can be missed imo (if you're contending for top of course). It's more of a mid to late round solution for people with other cr/bs def ships in alliance.

Besides, no Ter should go without an Etd to back him up.

Also, I have no problem with using these stats the round after next, considering most stats only get used once anyway. And I don't want to rush changes in these last two weeks (counting from when I posted them) that might end up ruining them, which is why I haven't pm'd Appoco myself to suggest them.


Concerning stats, do you think Cath should have slightly above average efficiencies relative to other rounds to compensate for the fact that they're the main targets of Ter, Xan AND Zik? I feel they're really weak defensively atm, targeting-wise. Not that I have much problems with Cath being support race.

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Caths are always the target.
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Considering I'm completely bored with current stats already... Bumping this to get some more feedback.
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

I've already got another set done, but appoco is "too busy to even think about stats right now."
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Re: My set of stats, have a looksie and give feedback!

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Originally Posted by Patrikc View Post
Considering I'm completely bored with current stats already... Bumping this to get some more feedback.

right, I´ll give the current stats compared with yours a little "my humble opinion" then.

Ter BS current vs. yours:

I must say I´m dissapointed with the terran BS current in game, not for being poor, but simply being way OP compared to other races BS ships.

As it is atm no fleet can match dragon/wyvern combination, if we look at a even value fleet. Only 2 non FR/BS ships can actually target them, and that´s T2 cat empers. the FR/BS that can target them are all lower init, without exception!!.

It is no surprise that half the active universe is Ter. you need in most cases 4 times the ship value to cover 100% for Ter BS inc.

your stats seems to balance terran BS way more by spreading the BS targeters to more classes especially DE (a totally, more or less ignored class this round). Also by adding more T1 BS targeters at the other classes helps your stats being way more rounded and balanced than the current.

I´d pick these stats anytime over the current. And it´s not like your Ter BS stats makes them useless, they´re still awesome A/C, and great init.

I have a feeling that current stats are a result of Ter being crap last round, and the ever crying focus for more BS focus. Well I agree on the BS focus compared to FI/CO, however it needs to be done allround.


Right, that was my rant towards Ter BS, I´ll return once my head clears with some comments on especially this round FR classes, cause there´s plenty to rant about regarding those.
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