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Unread 13 Feb 2011, 10:33   #251
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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Any alliance that flak for apprime at the cost of their own alliance wellbeing is still a shit alliance...

Rock is no different to Osiris, vision, p3nguin.

Osiris didn't flak for apprime, and you don't have to repeat yourself, everyone understands what you're trying to say :/
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I dont see them as a 'shit' alliance. They chose to allie with the enemy due to the guys who they were origonaly with were planning to backstab them the moment Apprime were seen as 'dead'.
This is, really, really, not true. Like in any sense. I don't know if someone you know told you this or people are actually reading max's drivel and thinking "well, maybe his facts are right" but seriously there is no truth in that.
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Unread 13 Feb 2011, 13:45   #253
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Osiris didn't flak for apprime, and you don't have to repeat yourself, everyone understands what you're trying to say :/
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Maybe the ROCK HC are smarter then you think? (ie there not creating threads like a spoilt little brats, plus they are not running to the ND HC asking for naps, which ive heard ND HC are pretty good once napping with the enemy you once wished to kill when ROCK first chose to change sides? But ROCK Instead are actually taking it like men on the chin) But anyway, this is a war game. And im sure you guys are hitting ROCK again tonight, but of course you can take as many roids as you wish but as long as ROCK have fleets they will still keep coming for you. So now maybe its yourselves which are going to hand Apprime the win? I think so
So you would rather assist in a possible Apprime win at the risk of your own alliance benefit?

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Face it, all the top 6 want to win wether they want to admit it or not. The question is more who wants it more and how they intend to get it. Blocks come and go but ultimately someone has to find a way to win, whatever it takes.
What you're saying crantor is that this is your winning strategy for ROCK? You need a serious rethink.
Fence Sitting would have been more of a tactical option.

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The final insult to injury will be the fact that when this round is over, DigitalZero may very well have been beaten by a Training Alliance that by his own account has a brainless High Command and only a couple of decent members.
Very Short Sighted ... ND do have the means to hold their roids alot better than ROCK.
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Unread 13 Feb 2011, 13:54   #254
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I wish forum had ignore options also.

Your babling the same shit for the last 6 pages paisley don`t you think its enough?
And please get your facts straight before you post something again as you know nothing.
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It does.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

It was hardly a state secret. I've got about 5 people on "ignore", and I'm sure that there are people out there who've put me on "ignore" too. Ho-hum.

And Hunter you cant just turn round and say "You're wrong, Paisley"! You should explain why he's wrong too!
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Thanks JBG.
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It was hardly a state secret. I've got about 5 people on "ignore", and I'm sure that there are people out there who've put me on "ignore" too. Ho-hum.

And Hunter you cant just turn round and say "You're wrong, Paisley"! You should explain why he's wrong too!
Maybe i should but talking to Paisley is like talking to a wall, so i am not going to bother with it.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I was implying that to do so would be for the benefit of the casual observer (eg. me) that was trying to follow events from posts made on the forums.
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And Hunter you cant just turn round and say "You're wrong, Paisley"! You should explain why he's wrong too!
He can't thats the problem
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Maybe i should but talking to Paisley is like talking to a wall, so i am not going to bother with it.
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He can't thats the problem
Well all your statements about ODDR have been wrong in the past so shouldn't be that diffucult.

regarding those, you should just try us out for a round. There is a big difference between what you think and what HC staff decides.
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Well all your statements about ODDR have been wrong in the past so shouldn't be that diffucult.

regarding those, you should just try us out for a round. There is a big difference between what you think and what HC staff decides.
If ODDR can demonstrate that it isn't in App's pocket I'll retract those statements with apology but until then.
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If ODDR can demonstrate that it isn't in App's pocket I'll retract those statements with apology but until then.
1 st of all you would only know if you joined
2 nd the same could be said about ND or CT with your line of reasoning
3 rd just because we choose to work together with app and they choose to do so with us doesn't mean we are inside eachothers pocket. and if you look really closely and follow the game you'll even see we don't even team up every night.
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If ODDR can demonstrate that it isn't in App's pocket I'll retract those statements with apology but until then.
come on, do you really think that if you repeat yourself over and over again ODDR are magically gonna hit APP just to make you stfu about it?
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1st of all you would only know if you joined
OR if you were able to explain yourself in a way that disproves his claims

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2nd the same could be said about ND or CT with your line of reasoning
If you look back to the OP of this thread, you'll see that ND has tried to go it alone this round, but due to Rock switching sides, what was left was a 3v1v1 (App/ODD/Roc)v(Nd)v(CT). Obviously, given that 3v2 is shit odds (especially when one of the 3 has won PA more than any other playing this round), it was deemed that 3v1v1 was an even worse position to be in.

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3rd just because we choose to work together with app and they choose to do so with us doesn't mean we are inside eachothers pocket. And if you look really closely and follow the game you'll even see we don't even team up every night.
You don't even team up every night? Well by jove get this gentleman a cookie! It's nice when you have a relationship that doesn't weigh you down with emotional interdependence, but being able to fight on two fronts doesn't mean you're not standing back to back (to back) at the time.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

yeah Paisley, and you are the beacon of insightfullnes
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Donar is HC of ODDR. Paisley is HC of nothing. Who has the greater authority to speak on matters regarding the body which they represent?
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1 st of all you would only know if you joined
I've told Greg why I rejected his invitation to join ODDR (with some regret)
Should the conditions change I.E. stop sacrificing your ally welfare for Apprime and have a strong command team/structure (which you cant have if you have carDi and co in as demonstrated by his fits of rage)
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3 rd just because we choose to work together with app and they choose to do so with us doesn't mean we are inside eachothers pocket. and if you look really closely and follow the game you'll even see we don't even team up every night.
You seem to be under the impression that you have apprime in your pocket?
Apprime wont gift ODDR the #1 spot.
Make no mistakes ODDR is in Apprime's pocket .. however not too late to change.
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Of course, if you're that intent on making sure Apprime gets beat, you (CT) and NewDawn could always offer to gift ODDR the win. All you need is something to offer that the other side can not, and it'd be in their best interests to take you up on that.

When you can offer something Apprime can't, then ODDR might be more inclined to listen. You can't blame them for not buying into "come be our bitches instead of App's" given the extensive relationship the two alliances have shared.
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come on, do you really think that if you repeat yourself over and over again ODDR are magically gonna hit APP just to make you stfu about it?
Had I been rock/oddr HC I would have napped with each other and hit CT/ND/APP/xVx as accordingly to enduce a protracted war with CT/ND v APP/xVx and play 3 way politics as the odds of APP/CT/ND/xVx co-operationg with each other to hit ODDR/ROCK would be remote also improve each other odds of a good round.

In short ODDR and Rock were 1/2 right to nap with each other.
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Of course, if you're that intent on making sure Apprime gets beat, you (CT) and NewDawn could always offer to gift ODDR the win. All you need is something to offer that the other side can not, and it'd be in their best interests to take you up on that.

When you can offer something Apprime can't, then ODDR might be more inclined to listen. You can't blame them for not buying into "come be our bitches instead of App's" given the extensive relationship the two alliances have shared.
Valid point Kenny... But for ODDR to win a round they must have a strong Command team. there lies a problem
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Valid point Kenny... But for ODDR to win a round they must have a strong Command team. there lies a problem
wrong, for any alliance wanting to win a round they should be able to play politics, not be played in politics. It's not so much a strong command team, as command teams can be very strong on other disciplines. however, if they fail on playing politics, they'll allways end up being someones bitch.
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wrong, for any alliance wanting to win a round they should be able to play politics, not be played in politics. It's not so much a strong command team, as command teams can be very strong on other disciplines. however, if they fail on playing politics, they'll allways end up being someones bitch.
Politics is an INTERGRATED of command because it involves calculation and assessment which is carried out by command/commander.
Funny enough ... Most alliances have a dedicated HC for politics.
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Funny enough ... Most alliances have a dedicated HC for politics.
Funny enough most alliances that have won recent rounds don't.
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Funny enough most alliances that have won recent rounds don't.
I noticed how you said recent? aren't you forgetting about the "superpower" alliances?
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

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I noticed how you said recent? aren't you forgetting about the "superpower" alliances?
I wasn't implying that having a political HC destroyed your chances of winning a round. I was implying that it doesn't matter.
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not having a dedicated hc for politics is not a bad thing BUT having someone in that position who doesn't have a clue can destroy an lliances round.
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not having a dedicated hc for politics is not a bad thing BUT having someone in that position who doesn't have a clue can destroy an lliances round.
Having a political HC (being 1 person making the decisions) can make a clear choice on politcs (wether it be right or wrong) however when there are multiple people making choices there is room for discord.

Subh (R34) had multiple HCs (with their own political and personal agendas) not singing off the same hymm sheet.
Because ali and greg have a similar problem... they have/had officers under their command that they just cant wield to their own will.

This cost them any chance to finish #1
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Says it all really.

This thread should be renamed Paisley's trolling thread.

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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I've seen alliances where 1 person had total and complete control, 1up for example, the HC pretty much handled whatever needed to be handled, for me, that was the attack department... but even though it was my job while I was there to sort attacks nightly.. Sid gave me a target list, or atleast a direction in most cases, there were times where he'd say "you know what to hit" as well.. but Sid ran his alliance. Sid put the marching orders out, and made decisions politically. Sid did however throw things up and start discussions, so even though he had final say, he always listened to opinions privately in the HC channel.

Then there is your alliance where everything pretty much had to be voted on by the entire HC.. my first ever PA alliance was like that, ND was also like that when I HC'd there. It has it's advantages as well, as everyone has their say....however... things take FOREVER to get sorted when you have to hunt down 5-7 people, and get them all in one place to have a discussion. This isn't quite so bad if the entire HC is ultra active.

Then theirs CT. We've tried it a few different ways.... in the beginning, Germania and I pretty much handled politics, we discussed everything, then went with it. Since GM's arrival, and especially when I deployed and he pretty much took over Operations, he has handled all things political for a lot of CT's later rounds, including working his ass off this round, SD has also been a huge help politically, but with this HC, because we are ultra active, we have had a lot of success discussing things and planning a basic direction politically, then GM/SD have taken the steering wheel and driven the bus. There are a lot of ways to do things, some work, some don't, so I suppose it's all about what works for you.

I'm not going to go into any detail about my personal points of view about this rounds politics, yet.. as it still hasn't all played out, and I don't see a point in slamming anyone, or puffing anyone up... yet.. guess we'll see. Arguing about this rounds politics before it's all played out doesn't make very much sense to me, as the jury is still out.
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Luckly u are hc of nothing, if u were rock or oddr hc, they wouldnt have had their best round ever.
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Valid point Kenny... But for ODDR to win a round they must have a strong Command team. there lies a problem
Any1 ever seen ODDR come so close? Have u noticed their roidamount atm? It speaks for itsself. whatever u say paisley, they DO have a strong command team. U are just jealoous they dont need u for it
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Ok while I don't want to sound like an arse... ODDR are doing better in the rankings this round, sure. But then, there are far less alliances this round. There have been far more players available to join ODDR and let's face it, they have a lot of "ex-Apprime" playing there too.

Being 5th out of 5 alliances playing at full capacity is as good as being 10th with 10 alliances playing at full capacity. Certainly, they're doing better than usual - but don't keep blowing smoke up their ass for the f*cksake of it, Max. They've already committed themselves to your cause, no need to patronize them in the process.
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Any1 ever seen ODDR come so close? Have u noticed their roidamount atm? It speaks for itsself.
I noticed ROCK were quite Cocky a few days back when they had a High roid count all because they took a side (Apprime's). Again rock should have stuck by ODDR and hit either side (ct/nd v App xvx) and hit the fat targets.

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whatever u say paisley, they DO have a strong command team. U are just jealoous they dont need u for it
The DC apathy in ODDR is far from fixed and last I heard there hasn't been any improvements made ... Sure you can take the Apprime approach and make sure the def leechers / rank whores get covered. however morale for the low to mid tier APP member how are getting roided on a regular basis is very low (and these are seasoned PA players)
Remember that the Average Joe in ODDR isn't apprime alot easier to shatter morale with a heavy roid loss.

Unless you have already taken into account that the average joe in ODDR is expendable for the sake of the ex-app rank whores In ODDR?
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The DC apathy in ODDR is far from fixed and last I heard there hasn't been any improvements made ...
What's the state of Conspiracy DCs? I heard FCs land on their planets every day
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What's the state of Conspiracy DCs? I heard FCs land on their planets every day
No FC landing today the dc team in ct seen to it. CT Have taken measures to counter FCs on its members
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No FC landing today the dc team in ct seen to it. CT Have taken measures to counter FCs on its members
Only took 3 days and 2 mil dead value for them to learn. (with measures you mean recalling attacking fleets instead of landing on rock btw)
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however morale for the low to mid tier APP member how are getting roided on a regular basis is very low (and these are seasoned PA players)
Thanks for "seasoned" player compliment. I don't see anyone with low morale and I certainly fall into the category or mid member getting roided a lot. Would like to see your source on this?
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

I severely doubt many people in apprime suffer from low morale due to getting roided. Pretty much everyone who's even halfway good at pa realises that you get roided and it ****ing sucks but giving up ****ing kills. And even the complete score queens playing pa have probably finished high enough often enough that they don't mind putting in a bit of effort for one round of semi-mediocrity.
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Only took 3 days and 2 mil dead value for them to learn. (with measures you mean recalling attacking fleets instead of landing on rock btw)
your tactic is much better , Def only leachers and then ask ppl u betrayed to FC attackers. Sounds fair imo.
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I noticed ROCK were quite Cocky a few days back when they had a High roid count all because they took a side (Apprime's). Again rock should have stuck by ODDR and hit either side (ct/nd v App xvx) and hit the fat targets.



The DC apathy in ODDR is far from fixed and last I heard there hasn't been any improvements made ... Sure you can take the Apprime approach and make sure the def leechers / rank whores get covered. however morale for the low to mid tier APP member how are getting roided on a regular basis is very low (and these are seasoned PA players)
Remember that the Average Joe in ODDR isn't apprime alot easier to shatter morale with a heavy roid loss.

Unless you have already taken into account that the average joe in ODDR is expendable for the sake of the ex-app rank whores In ODDR?
That statement allone is saying the opposite of what ODDR stands for, yes we have taken in some former APP and Imperia, but no one defleeches in ODDR.
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however morale for the low to mid tier APP member how are getting roided on a regular basis is very low (and these are seasoned PA players)
Not the first round we get roided to pieces. Dont think you're speshul just because you ride the short bus.
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How high is morale in CT now?
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Not the first round we get roided to pieces. Dont think you're speshul just because you ride the short bus.
I doubt many people think it's a miracle or that apprime will suddenly collapse having been roided. Personally I found my problem towards the latter stages of my active time in pa to be more one of "oh why the **** are we bothering to do this again" as opposed to "oh this is too hard". I wouldn't be massively surprised if that particular malaise is affecting apprime at this stage though. With certain HC/main members not there/sort of there (I actually have no idea how involved cardi et al actually are) it becomes more difficult to motivate yourself as well. Certainly from what I've seen the gap in quality between CT and Apprime is a lot lower this round than I expected (I'll refrain from commenting on ND here seeing as I'm in the alliance and I'd be commenting on it from an entirely different perspective).

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I'd imagine fairly high. They're first, they've retained their lead even though apprime has equivalent or superior numbers block-wise and they're competing with an alliance everyone expected to just walk through everyone this round. I doubt losing a couple of fleets to fcs affected them that badly considering their overall score growth for the whole day was much in line with apprime's. As always fleetcatches are far, far more of a political demonstration of power aimed at intimidating your opposition than they are a superior war-winning strategy.
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You're just trying to cheer them up lol

I was referring to current app attack btw
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Re: PT 403, ND Stands Alone.

Not really. As I said they have plenty of reasons to be pleased with how the round has gone so far. All in all I'm relatively happy with how the round has gone myself. Even if apprime win what I was hoping to avoid this round, boring stagnation, won't have transpired.

(No idea what you mean by current app attack by the way, is someone being roided/fced?)
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I see your point, but tbh. Morale is a lot better atm than when winning per default.
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