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Unread 17 Apr 2010, 16:56   #51
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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We could win if we magically got motivated but no one can be arsed. My guess is we'll pick out a few people we don't like and hit them.
Like that poor sod from HR who defended against dedin.
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Unread 17 Apr 2010, 17:47   #52
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Like that poor sod from HR who defended against dedin.
That. was. awesome.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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dont pretend u dont care if vision wins, you r just mad your gal didnt work out for you , tnx to you guys arrogance ND had to nap their competition.
I don't care if Vision wins. Our gal was never going to win, somewhat obvious going in with 6 DLR and 2 ND members, don't you think? Much less since DLR NAP'd Apprime, effectively kicking themselves in the nuts. And the NAP with Vision really had nothing to do with anyone from my gal.

As for arrogance, isn't it a bit trite to try and ridicule someone for being arrogant when they already do that themselves? Imaginative you are not.

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I thought a game was about winning sunny. Your only goal is to take out an ally not even being in the top 5 this round just cause you're a little upset?
The game is about having fun, which is equal parts winning and fcking with people. Right now, it's about fcking with some wannabe-LDK johnny-come-lately noob. Why anyone choses to follow this guy, much less why someone would fear him enough to NAP his pitiful ass, is something I'll never understand.
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Unread 18 Apr 2010, 11:29   #54
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I thought a game was about winning sunny. Your only goal is to take out an ally not even being in the top 5 this round just cause you're a little upset?
I don't think attacking an alliance that currently has 10 out of the top20 planets and many of the biggest gals is a decision they have to defend, seems like an obvious harder choice than actually attacking the current #1 alliance with a bunch of help.

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Seems everyone is starting to think that vsn has won already... So ive got a question to asc. Are you really not playing for the win? You have enough members to win (you have proven that before) and you have around same avg size as most other top allies. And from how the universe currently looks Im guessing you wont get much inc at all.. Based on you having nap agreements with vsn and nd and your current position as an "outsider". You have proven before that you can come from the shadows and win a round so why does everyone seem to downplay asc chances?
I think you are looking at the wrong alliance to come from behind. The exact same things you posted can be said about another alliance, an alliance that has also talked a lot about recruiting and is obviously more active and has way more roids. Take a look at this:
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

Apprime is the only contender to VsN atm yeah.
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Unread 18 Apr 2010, 12:17   #56
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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Apprime is the only contender to VsN atm yeah.
And you're making the exact same mistake Cartman did.
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Unread 18 Apr 2010, 12:58   #57
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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I don't think attacking an alliance that currently has 10 out of the top20 planets and many of the biggest gals is a decision they have to defend, seems like an obvious harder choice than actually attacking the current #1 alliance with a bunch of help.
Actually, the only alliance with a big fortress gal is Asc, currently ranked #9 in uni. If you compare the value Asc and Apprime has, Asc currently has 20 planets in top100 value, while Apprime has 23.

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I think you are looking at the wrong alliance to come from behind. The exact same things you posted can be said about another alliance, an alliance that has also talked a lot about recruiting and is obviously more active and has way more roids.
True Apprime currently has more roids then Asc. Lets anylize your propaganda:

7000 roids more with average of 50% bonus will give 630k value a day.
Apprime is currently 6,5mill score behind Ascendancy, which means they will not be equal until 10-11 days from now. Roids mean nothing until then, because an alliance cant run away from another before they first are equal, and one has more roids then the other. A lot can happen in 10 days, and the 7k roid lead can decrease, making the time needed to catch up even longer. On a side note, Vision has more roids then Apprime again, which in turn makes it virtually impossible to catch up to them.

Where has Apprime talked about recruiting? I believe I personally made a point earlier, about Apprime needing to recruit 20 people to win. So far i have not seen top planets from other alliances running over our borders.

Apprimes size growth is actually quite average, we just dont like being bullied, so whenever someone thinks they can take the roids we already have, we mobilize and keep them. The attacking this round is not mindblowing as it has been earlier rounds, where we had 6% growts in periods.

No alliance is actually a contender to Vision as long as vision is #1, and hold the most roids. Personally im fine with that
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Unread 18 Apr 2010, 13:54   #58
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

VsN and App going into this round hand in hand is more pitiful imo.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

Hanzi, I think you missed the point of Golan's post.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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Actually, the only alliance with a big fortress gal is Asc, currently ranked #9 in uni. If you compare the value Asc and Apprime has, Asc currently has 20 planets in top100 value, while Apprime has 23.
Way to pick one statistic. Here are the rest of them. Apprime have 500k more value on average than Ascendancy (2.049 versus 2.565 on our intel, might be slightly off). Apprime have 17 t50 value planets as opposed to Ascendancy's 11, 9 t20 value planets compared to 5 and 5 t10 value planets compared to Ascendancy's 2.

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On a side note, Vision has more roids then Apprime again, which in turn makes it virtually impossible to catch up to them.
Untrue, vision has the same roids in counting for score planets. But yeah obviously right now Vision are big favourites. I think the more significant point, beyond any questions of statistics etc, is does anyone look like they have the activity to actually compete with Vision for #1.

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Where has Apprime talked about recruiting? I believe I personally made a point earlier, about Apprime needing to recruit 20 people to win. So far i have not seen top planets from other alliances running over our borders.
Cardi has repeatedly talked about this. Now you can never be sure with cardi but to say nobody's talked about it is wrong. For my part I imagine a few planets would definitely jump ship. One wouldn't exactly describe the ND planets in cardi's gal as leading their war effort for example (unless ND are actually at war with howling rain and not apprime). Either way there are always spineless faggots hoping to keep their roids (and in fairness sometimes a few reasonable people who just hate their current alliance!)

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Apprimes size growth is actually quite average, we just dont like being bullied, so whenever someone thinks they can take the roids we already have, we mobilize and keep them. The attacking this round is not mindblowing as it has been earlier rounds, where we had 6% growts in periods.
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Unread 18 Apr 2010, 14:43   #61
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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Hanzi, I think you missed the point of Golan's post.
I was pointing out obvious flaws in his facts.


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Way to pick one statistic. Here are the rest of them. Apprime have 500k more value on average than Ascendancy (2.049 versus 2.565 on our intel, might be slightly off). Apprime have 17 t50 value planets as opposed to Ascendancy's 11, 9 t20 value planets compared to 5 and 5 t10 value planets compared to Ascendancy's 2.
My stats were hardly favorable to apprime, i was saying we are quite equal. Lets use your big point with apprimes average value compared to asc. Your top49 planets have 2,503 average value, compared to our 49 planets with 2,565 average.
Pretty close isnt it! which was my point originally.

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Untrue, vision has the same roids in counting for score planets. But yeah obviously right now Vision are big favourites. I think the more significant point, beyond any questions of statistics etc, is does anyone look like they have the activity to actually compete with Vision for #1.
Vision has actually 3000 more roids counting in their top 65, then apprime has in total. I dont believe anyone has the activity to beat vision this round. This has been the point every ****ing round against apprime/ascendancy, and has been been used as an argument for creating a big badass block. It seems unlikely that a block is forming this round though, so yeah vision is winning. To repeat myself, im fine with that

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Cardi has repeatedly talked about this. Now you can never be sure with cardi but to say nobody's talked about it is wrong. For my part I imagine a few planets would definitely jump ship. One wouldn't exactly describe the ND planets in cardi's gal as leading their war effort for example (unless ND are actually at war with howling rain and not apprime). Either way there are always spineless faggots hoping to keep their roids (and in fairness sometimes a few reasonable people who just hate their current alliance!)
Some people will of course try to shipjump, but at the moment no planet has jumped over to Apprimes tag, which is the only way a tag can actually gain score from a player. Currently you are just grasping into thin air, making assumptions. In my reply to golan up there, maybe i should have made it even more clear, that until Apprime actually catch up with Asc you can shut your pieholes. Estimated time 10-11 days i believe i wrote.

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If the facts i stuff in your face is just too correct for your liking, maybe you should consider this career yourself. Fairly obvious this is something you have thought alot about.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

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I was pointing out obvious flaws in his facts.
Not really, seeing as what he said was true. Fair enough it was selective but you just responded like an idiot though, referencing even more selectively than he did.

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My stats were hardly favorable to apprime, i was saying we are quite equal. Lets use your big point with apprimes average value compared to asc. Your top49 planets have 2,503 average value, compared to our 49 planets with 2,565 average.
Pretty close isnt it! which was my point originally.
For the record our t49 planets actually have 2.48 mil average. So an 80k difference which is growing every day.

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Vision has actually 3000 more roids counting in their top 65, then apprime has in total. I dont believe anyone has the activity to beat vision this round. This has been the point every ****ing round against apprime/ascendancy, and has been been used as an argument for creating a big badass block. It seems unlikely that a block is forming this round though, so yeah vision is winning. To repeat myself, im fine with that
My intel puts them as almost exactly the same to be honest, 58918 to be exact. Might be slightly off though. Pretty close either way. Frankly apprime seem much more active than vision though. I'd reckon vision are somewhat similar to ascendancy this round in terms of activity.

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Some people will of course try to shipjump, but at the moment no planet has jumped over to Apprimes tag, which is the only way a tag can actually gain score from a player. Currently you are just grasping into thin air, making assumptions.
No, I'm pointing out that when you said apprime hadn't talked about recruiting you were wrong. Cardinal, you might have heard of him, had.

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In my reply to golan up there, maybe i should have made it even more clear, that until Apprime actually catch up with Asc you can shut your pieholes. Estimated time 10-11 days i believe i wrote.
I'm sorry but you seem to be under the impression I'm going to stop posting because you pulled your hair and screamed at your computer or something?

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If the facts i stuff in your face is just too correct for your liking, maybe you should consider this career yourself. Fairly obvious this is something you have thought alot about.
Yeah man. I'm so jealous of apprime's activity and mind-blowingly majestic awe-inspiringly astonishing breathtakingly brilliant intimidatingly impressive stupefyingly stunning roiding abilities. If only I had ever been vaguely good at PA and had something I could hold onto.

Get the **** over yourself.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

I quite like the idea of HaNzI moaning about the fact that Apprime aren't enjoying a roid lead after I get criticised for pointing out they lacked the number of planets to get enough roids to be able to the win round, despite being the best alliance.

I mean the politics of the round and our dicking about strategy have made it worse for Apprime, but even so. If Ascendancy changed to the mindset of trying to win then it might all change for Apprime, but from what I've discussed with my colleagues so far this round, it's not going to happen. We're not going to orchestrate anything specific against Vision, or any specific alliance unless we're provoked. Vision have had fantastically helpful politics but they have made the necessary moves to keep their head above water and fair play to them.
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Speak of the devil, App gets a recruit!
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!Mass-recruit the flak!
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!Mass-recruit the flak!
given that your alliance recruited to 100 at the start, i would keep my mouth shut if i were you
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How can other alliances recruit mass flak when all the flak is allready at ND?
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

Dear HaNzI,

I am having trouble responding to any of your posts as it simply seems you have no idea what is going on in the universe, and instead of looking at facts, you make up imagiry numbers. Quoting all your nonsense would only bring futher confusion so let me try and make this as clear as possible.

Apprime are currently growing 7-8 million a day, THINLYVEILEDTHREAT is on a 6 mill/day steady line. Already since your last post, the gap has been reduced by 2 million, despite you predicted Apprime is only gaining 650k a day on THINLYVEILEDTHREAT. It's a matter of 2-3 days before these two tags switch places. Apprime is built for a solid round, lots of terrans with great bonuses to mining and generally every apprime planet I scan has 60 fc. Please, scan our planets in the top100 and tell me how many of them have 60 fc, or even above 30. This is a major difference, and contributes a lot to the difference in score gain. Adding to that fact, several of our planets are only top100 because of donations, and they are all steadily falling, while Apprime planets everywhere are on the rise.

Out of the top10 private gals, there is only 1 fortress gal. It's pretty clear that this strategy is inferior, and if anything will hurt that galaxy rather than benefit it. In the same gals, there are 23 apprime planets, while only 11 THINLYVEILEDTHREAT despite the presense of a fortress gal. In fact, there are apprime planets in 7 of the top10 private gals, while only THINLYVEILEDTHREAT planets in 2 of them. Funnily enough, none of these gals are in common.

Apprime is the most active alliance this round. I don't think anyone can put a question mark at the end of that sentence. They could still win, but its unlikely. But right now I would say anyone except Vision is unlikely to win anyway. So why wouldn't the other alliances that have "nothing to play for" not go against the alliance with the fattest planets? It just makes more sense to me. Lets not forget, the apprime planets also have a much larger def pool to draw from with the in gal planets than it appears from a relatively small tag.

The thing about all this is, there are no more alliances to hit Apprime anyway. Why they want to downplay it on the forum I don't understand. They sure don't in pm's. DLR is napped, Vision is as good as napped. ND and THINLYVEILEDTHREAT have already been hitting them for a few nights without any success. CT and p3n don't seem interested. Where does that leave the rest of the universe? Well, with Vision finally hitting DLR hard, everything is lined up for the App/Vsn 2way to mop up the rankings in the remaining 400 ticks without much resistance.
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Dear HaNzI,

I am having trouble responding to any of your posts as it simply seems you have no idea what is going on in the universe, and instead of looking at facts, you make up imagiry numbers. Quoting all your nonsense would only bring futher confusion so let me try and make this as clear as possible.
What numbers are wrong? i missed the calculation of your top49 planets by 23k value, which is not half bad! you must be on acids if the best you can do is scream out my numbers are wrong.

To the rest of your rattle: We added a 700k score planet, an Asc planet crashed 350k on apprime today, and Asc paid 1250k to land on elviz. The heaviest losses was taken by elviz gal, which would make the apprime losses somewhere around 500k value after salvage.

700k+500k+350k= 1550k

To the point about your FCs, yeah they do perhaps make a difference, but if Apprime in average has 30 FCs more, which is a ****ing lie, i would only have to adjust my calculation to 630k multiplied with 1,15 which gives 725k.
If i had taken this into account yesterday, i would have to say 9 days, instead of 10-11 days. Little did i then know that Asc planned to play retarded and throw away value for the lulz, which in turn made the gap smaller then it needed to be! I also did not know that a retard called Templar, which we all love by the way, planned to save us all by joining the tag with his impressive 700k planet.

New ETA for Apprime to catch up to Asc, thanks to new events: 132 ticks

If there is anything else you need help to calculate, please ask!

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How about this, if neither apprime nor ascendancy do anything out of the norm (ie grounding fleets, kicking people from tag, retarded amounts of stockpiling etc etc) and it takes longer than 132 ticks for apprime to overtake ascendancy I'll stop posting. If it takes less you stop posting. Say until the end of the round.

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What numbers are wrong? i missed the calculation of your top49 planets by 23k value, which is not half bad! you must be on acids if the best you can do is scream out my numbers are wrong.

To the rest of your rattle: We added a 700k score planet, an Asc planet crashed 350k on apprime today, and Asc paid 1250k to land on elviz. The heaviest losses was taken by elviz gal, which would make the apprime losses somewhere around 500k value after salvage.

700k+500k+350k= 1550k

To the point about your FCs, yeah they do perhaps make a difference, but if Apprime in average has 30 FCs more, which is a ****ing lie, i would only have to adjust my calculation to 630k multiplied with 1,15 which gives 725k.
If i had taken this into account yesterday, i would have to say 9 days, instead of 10-11 days. Little did i then know that Asc planned to play retarded and throw away value for the lulz, which in turn made the gap smaller then it needed to be! I also did not know that a retard called Templar, which we all love by the way, planned to save us all by joining the tag with his impressive 700k planet.

New ETA for Apprime to catch up to Asc, thanks to new events: 132 ticks

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This is flat out wrong on so many points, that I frankly have to consider starting to ignore you. I will give it a last try, but please for the good of the forums stop making up numbers.

You seem very insistant on using top49 average as an indicator. Ofc this means all scanners etc in apprime gets counted, while those in asc are left out. If you want to try a real average, try the top20 or top30 one, and you will quickly see why apprime are so far ahead on average score. If you want to screw with the numbers, at least admit you are.

The tick we landed on elviz, the asc tag dropped 30k score. Some planets even gained on the xp. Overall, apprime had no losses on the landing, it was all elviz's gal mates that took the hit while he had co's home to collect enough salvage to break even.

FC's matter a lot more than you seem to think, I can only question if you have actually played pa before? THINLYVEILEDTHREAT never aimed for value or anything in particular, it's 100% clear that apprime did. And that is paying off for them. http://89.145.83.129/sandmans/?p=com...k=&type=values does not lie, apprime is catching up fast.. even if you don't like it, that is fact.

132 ticks now, before it was 9-10 days. guess you can already see you were wrong and now try to adjust it.

Again, why even have this argument? You are wrong, Apprime is storming forward and will be #3 before long. There is no risk to admitting this because the political situation is locked anyway, so why can't we just be ****ing honest on AH for once?
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If i had taken this into account yesterday, i would have to say 9 days, instead of 10-11 days. Little did i then know that Asc planned to play retarded and throw away value for the lulz, which in turn made the gap smaller then it needed to be!
Then again, we've only been saying we're not really trying all that hard for weeks now. In that light, it's more than understandable that you didn't expect us not to try all that hard.
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given that your alliance recruited to 100 at the start, i would keep my mouth shut if i were you
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pfft, no capital K :P you are worse than superfly ;D

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Indeed it has, last I remember you were still bc'ing in Ely :P
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The tick we landed on elviz, the asc tag dropped 30k score. Some planets even gained on the xp. Overall, apprime had no losses on the landing, it was all elviz's gal mates that took the hit while he had co's home to collect enough salvage to break even.
Yupp, was DLR and exc who took 100% of the losses. Apprime ziks deffing gained I think, and elviz also lost ALOT less than he would have if we hadnt deffed him.

Now elviz still got a shot at #1, while nothing really changed for the rest of the gal. But I m sure elviz will crash on fcrew or something, and then I will drive to sameland and kick his ass.
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How about this, if neither apprime nor ascendancy do anything out of the norm (ie grounding fleets, kicking people from tag, retarded amounts of stockpiling etc etc) and it takes longer than 132 ticks for apprime to overtake ascendancy I'll stop posting. If it takes less you stop posting. Say until the end of the round.

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It was based on the 7k roidlead, not counting an increasing roidlead and XP from landings. If you wanted it to take 10-11 days initially, the gap would have to remain the same, and both alliances gained the same amount of xp every day.
Apprime is only closing the gap because of your current inefficiency.

On a side note, since this is actually about vision/newdawn, vision is now holding 66700 roids in top65, 5k more then apprime who is second.
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Not willing to take the bet, eh?
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I think Hanzi's fundamental error is that he took one point in time, a singularly small data-set if there ever was one, and tried to extrapolate a trend from that. This is, obviously, retarded.

A more truthful depiction would have been to pick a series of data-points and tried to map an accurate current trend for each alliance to see how they would perform into the future. I won't bother to do this, as sandmans already plots the past and all you need to do is notice the lines have been drawing closer for quite some time now. It's not exactly rocket science to figure out what the trend would be.
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I think Hanzi's fundamental error is that he took one point in time, a singularly small data-set if there ever was one, and tried to extrapolate a trend from that. This is, obviously, retarded.

A more truthful depiction would have been to pick a series of data-points and tried to map an accurate current trend for each alliance to see how they would perform into the future. I won't bother to do this, as sandmans already plots the past and all you need to do is notice the lines have been drawing closer for quite some time now. It's not exactly rocket science to figure out what the trend would be.
Actually, having a roidlead is what creates this line you are talking about. I could write a formula for you if you wanted to, but how does that help the common guy? Lets stick to roids and score, and leave the nonsense out.

Edit: By the way, in a game like this we play in the moment, and its impossible to create a function that is anywhere close to as correct as using the current roidlead one alliance has

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btw ND, how's the sk galraiding on small planets working out for you guys?
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What an utterly tragic win that would be. Hey guys, if you random roid newbies all round and get half your galaxy to suicide on your planet you too might win pa!
It'd still be one of this most honorable! elviz <3
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What an utterly tragic win that would be. Hey guys, if you random roid newbies all round and get half your galaxy to suicide on your planet you too might win pa!
haha. We both know planet race for #1 is retarded at times. But we have nothing to play for really atm. I m trying to help a couple of players to get good ranks.
Also, we werent exactly happy about it, but shit happens!
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Well, with Vision finally hitting DLR hard...
Vision & ND teaming up, VsN alone couldn't do much.
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Vision & ND teaming up, VsN alone couldn't do much.
why stop at nd... i think its the entire uni!
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I think Hanzi's fundamental error is that he took one point in time, a singularly small data-set if there ever was one, and tried to extrapolate a trend from that. This is, obviously, retarded.
More than this, he reponded to the "apprime earns more per tick" claim by adding 15% income to the roids Apprime were infront of THINLYVEILEDTHREAT, when quite clearly they earn 15% more with all of their roids. I mean, as far as picking his posts apart you don't really have to even try, the gap between the 2 alliances is now 2.5 mill so them gaining 2 mill per day is pretty accurate considering the ticks were stopped for 24 hours. I understand he has to post some drivel and get the attention off Apprime that way, but if you want to manipulate things there are many better ways than just throwing out bullshit numbers.

Uh, not sure how you figured that out hut, it couldn't be more wrong though. Vision is looking really good based on these claims
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

As far as I'm aware it was excessum and vision who hit DLR. I certainly heard nothing about anyone else being involved although I imagine you could easily have received other random incs at the same time.
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btw ND, how's the sk galraiding on small planets working out for you guys?
growing an ever so large e-penis?

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I was even unaware we were doing this, yea, we built up some SK's after some ally (whom I will not mention) decided to SK our scanners! And a ship is a ship, btw, me e-penis is rather small, thinking of a sexchange tbh.
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New ETA for Apprime to catch up to Asc, thanks to new events: 132 ticks

If there is anything else you need help to calculate, please ask!
http://89.145.83.129/sandmans/?p=com...50&type=values

That's starting from the time you made your statement, and ending at the time when you said they should catch up with Asc.

As we can see, App passed Asc on tick 838, which is 12 ticks before your 132 estimate. Seems reasonably close, right? Except that's a discrepancy of ~9,1%, or half a day wrong when you were only predicting 5,5 days ahead to begin with. By the time you predicted they should catch up, they had already established a 1mil lead.

So what went wrong? Well, maybe this graph can tell us:
http://89.145.83.129/sandmans/?p=com...40&type=values

Clearly the fact that you failed to account for current trends, as I stated earlier, threw your calculations off. During the 132 ticks in question, Apprime grew in roids by ~15% where as Asc only grew by ~8,7%. Further account for greater XP gains for App and subtract each alliances rate of losing value due to crashes or otherwise, and you've pretty much explained the whole 9,1% discrepancy.

I won't bother to do an analysis of what these trends had been prior to this period, as I'm quite confident they would align reasonably well with what the actual outcome was.

Oh, and don't worry, I don't think we'll be needing your services as a statistician any longer.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

Its called a prediction. I could devscan every planet in apprime and ascendancy to find the precise income a tick. Would not be a prediction anymore would it. About unexpected events like Asc slacking on the roiding, losing a member from tag, crashes, xp gains etc. If i could predict this as precise as i could with 110 devscans, i would at least have the decency to alert the 200,000 people who died in a certain tsunami, instead of using my godly skills to pull your pants down and shit in your doorstep.
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It appears you don't even understand what Tzu is saying
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

Actually it's just called being wrong hanzi.
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Yeah i dont deny it, nor do i care. I was hoping you would realize that its impossible to make accurate predictions without accurate info. Accurate info would be devscanning 110 planets and compare, then make a judgment based on the share valuegain a tick. One can never predict the unexpected, hence why its ****ing called unexpected. The information i had available was a roidcount, then assuming both alliances had the same average bonus/mines. For all i know, they do and you cant prove me wrong without establishing the income on those 110 planets.
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What do you mean 'prove you wrong'? You were wrong. Your prediction was wrong. We all said there were reasons why apprime would overtake ascendancy sooner than 132 ticks and you decided to stick your fingers in your ears and sing "lalalala I can't hear you". Nobody was implying your windows calculator was broken and was actually giving you inaccurate numbers when you tried to do multiplication.
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Re: Vision/newdawn nap

I stated that it would take 132 ticks if both alliances capped the same amount of roids, had the same XP gains, no alliances added/removed players from tag etc. To quote myself: "Apprime is only closing the gap because of your current inefficiency" Which clearly means that if Apprime managed to accumulate EVEN MORE score through roidgains and xp, it would only be because Apprime was a better performing alliance in that period, not only because of a roidlead which the calc was based on.
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