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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 19:48   #101
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Re: round 35 politics

Wow, I thought I had seen most things on these forums, but someone accusing me of being a farmer is something new. Paisley, taking retardation to new heights
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 19:50   #102
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Re: round 35 politics

Seeing as both sides are present here, here's some context for the eksero debate.
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 20:00   #103
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Re: round 35 politics

Should we reply in such a manner as linking all the crashes on us?? we would be here all day trying to update them so not really getting your point Mz
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 20:46   #104
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Re: round 35 politics

That brep cant be justified for attackers anyway.
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Re: round 35 politics

i loved the 25k chim loss gj mates!
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Re: round 35 politics

Good Christ, we've got 700 ticks to go and it's already over?

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Only option I see is an anti-App block. Sure, someone in the block will try and stab everyone else, giving App time to recover, use the divisions and win. But at least it would make it a less boring 700 ticks?
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i loved the 25k chim loss gj mates!
Round 34. It completely disqualifies you of any sort of comment.
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 21:19   #108
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Seeing as both sides are present here, here's some context for the eksero debate.
the losses were split 5 ways and thus amounted to a small loss for each of us (my loss was about 37/40k).

may i also add, i have paid a heavier fleet loss for roids before and the fact that they were Apprime roids made it that much more sweeter....

this game is all about risk, the risk to each of us would have been substantially higher the less people attacking, so i don't think we fared as badly as we could have
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 21:34   #109
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Still mek crashing for roids not a good thing you have to agree on that pal roids come and go easy but ships do not. And eventually it will get to the point where u have no value so no abillity to attack
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Re: round 35 politics

These roids take more than 12 days to pay back as it is, woeful decision-making if you ask me.
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Re: round 35 politics

i personally replaced my losses with the resources i had at my planet, so the attack was not to the detriment of my attack fleet in future attacks
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i personally replaced my losses with the resources i had at my planet, so the attack was not to the detriment of my attack fleet in future attacks
apart from the fact that it is weaker, am i rite?
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Re: round 35 politics

it is not stronger, but it certainly isn't weaker than when i let it launch last night
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it is not stronger, but it certainly isn't weaker than when i let it launch last night
So you stood still while we gained value.
Hence, it is weaker.

IT WAS A SHIT LAND. OBJECTIVELY SHIT.
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So you stood still while we gained value.
Hence, it is weaker.

IT WAS A SHIT LAND. OBJECTIVELY SHIT.

AND CAPS LET ME KNOW YOU ARE SERIOUS WITH YOUR POST!!!!

if it stood still, i know ekseros fleet value stood still also....
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Unread 24 Jan 2010, 21:53   #116
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Should we reply in such a manner as linking all the crashes on us?
Only the ones that become a hot topic on AD.

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the losses were split 5 ways and thus amounted to a small loss for each of us (my loss was about 37/40k).
Totally irrelevant. Losses shared by 5, roids shared by 5. In any case it doesn't matter which planet loses what. Your alliance lost 200k value in that attack, gaining roids that you won't keep long enough for them to pay off. It wouldn't matter if you shared them among all 49 of you.

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may i also add, i have paid a heavier fleet loss for roids before and the fact that they were Apprime roids made it that much more sweeter....
Well, if that's the case, I'm sure eksero will happily repeat that battle over and over again throughout the round. It's a win-win!

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this game is all about risk, the risk to each of us would have been substantially higher the less people attacking, so i don't think we fared as badly as we could have
Dear lord man, have you ever learned anything about risk, reward and ROI?
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Re: round 35 politics

And stop replying to posts that I've deleted.
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Re: round 35 politics

You can't justify taking heavy losses because they're spread out over more people, that kind of logic is just wrong. On a simple level, your roid gain is also spread, but looking at the bigger picture, all the planets sharing the loss are on the same side, its one alliance vs another alliance, and in the relation to the war, the losses aren't spread at all. Talking about "sweeter" roids is also just stupid, you can't use that to justify a crash landing because it's your main enemy, because ultimately they're the ones benefiting from your crash. There is no risk in this game, everything can be calculated precisely in advance, you have quite simply just made the wrong decision.
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Re: round 35 politics

Mek: myself, mz and Theam have all posted coincidentally at the same time in reply to your post using sensible/logical arguments in response to you. Sure Theam had a little bit of lulz in his post but he was still making a relevant point. How about you cut the ad hominem and respond to our actual points, or do you accept that you're wrong?
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Re: round 35 politics

Ok, I've had enough. Closing this thread until the morning.

Grow the **** up or get out.
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Have at, boys and girls.
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How does blocking take any considerable effort? It's a case of saying to some other ally (or 2 or 3) "hey they're getting dominant, lets hit them" and them saying "sure". It's not taxing stuff for the common member is it and lets face it that's the problem. If people don't want to wake up to send defence regularly or don't care enough to make sure they're around to JGP and calc their attacks then what can you do? Kick them I suppose but at the end of the day it's a game that we play for (limited) entertainment but these days mostly for the community in which we play.

Sure everyone loves to win but a lot of players just don't care enough to put the effort in that's necessary to run a top planet in a competitive alliance. Similarly I don't care enough to argue on here if you're just going to rant on vaguely about the never ending simple strategies we continue to ignore in this vastly in depth game.
So, you sign up for pa knowing you're shit, knowing you don't care, knowing you're going to lose and the only thing you're willing to do is ask a bunch of other losers if they'll work with you long enough to ensure that you don't lose by a completely embarrassing margin. Does that about cover it or did I miss anything?


Running a top (t200 value) planet doesn't take much effort. It's pretty much about not crashing and/or doing anything else retarded. And there are plenty of people in alliances that aren't apprime that are capable of getting top value planets, have gotten top value planets recently and most likely went into this round with the intention of having a good planet. But hey, I'm just ranting here about mythical strategies like "sending defence once a day" and "not crashing your fleet like a ****tard". Shit be craaazzzeeeyyy.



PS Looking up at this thread it seems my point about people failing due to being unable to avoid daft things like crashing their fleet was reinforced pretty hilariously.
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Re: round 35 politics

Ive always thought that the only reason I ever get anywhere in this game is I can rely on most other ppl to fail spectacularly.
Tho once in a while I do that too... like now
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Re: round 35 politics

sorry i was away all day so haven't got around to replying to this thread

do i think that it was a fantastic land - no
could it have been handled better - yes
was it a round ending 'crash' - no
is my round over because i lost 10k frigates - no

as we are talking about people making 'shit' decisions, would you like to discuss the case of the apprime guy who is now light 163k harpy?
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I heard Ascendancy has now joined the BLOCK (currently shortname CENpDOVAVHSFA). Comments?!
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And there are plenty of people in alliances that aren't apprime that are capable of getting top value planets, have gotten top value planets recently and most likely went into this round with the intention of having a good planet. But hey, I'm just ranting here about mythical strategies like "sending defence once a day" and "not crashing your fleet like a ****tard". Shit be craaazzzeeeyyy.
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I just like the fact that you always preech how everyone else should be doing things, when you're always in the #1 alliance.. Why did you join Apprime and make matters worse? when with your obvious superior intelect (with the way you talk down to every other alliance) you could of made PA more interesting by mounting a challange against them? instead, you decided to join them and moan about every other alliance not being good enough.

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I invite you to join a middle tier alliance and turn it into a contender against Apprime without recruiting a single current Apprime player.

I just like the fact that you always preech how everyone else should be doing things, when you're always in the #1 alliance.. Why did you join Apprime and make matters worse? when with your obvious superior intelect (with the way you talk down to every other alliance) you could of made PA more interesting by mounting a challange against them? instead, you decided to join them and moan about every other alliance not being good enough.

Planetarion only ever has room for one good alliance, as every player including yourself gravitate towards that alliance.
Ascendancy didn't start out as the #1 alliance around you know.

Why should JBG have to repeat exactly what he has achieved in the past?
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Ascendancy didn't start out as the #1 alliance around you know.

Why should JBG have to repeat exactly what he has achieved in the past?
As he's the one preaching to other people about what they should be doing or what they should of done. If its so easy, he should do it himself again rather than just joining the #1 alliance. I wouldnt of said anything if he was still Ascendancy but he's now done exactly the same as what almost every decent player does and thats simply joining the #1 favourite/best alliance then moaning that no-one else provides competition. If you want competition as you claim you do.. dont go and join the already established #1 alliance.
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I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with anything. I reckon I could do it though yeah. However I'm not really interested in that, sounds a bit too much like something I already did with ascendancy to be honest.

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I just like the fact that you always preech how everyone else should be doing things, when you're always in the #1 alliance.. Why did you join Apprime and make matters worse? when with your obvious superior intelect (with the way you talk down to every other alliance) you could of made PA more interesting by mounting a challange against them? instead, you decided to join them and moan about every other alliance not being good enough.
Actually I was invited by m0 pre-round to join Euphoria, an offer which I accepted but unfortunately someone decided to veto me joining. After that cardi reminded me that I had promised to play in the same alliance as him again after round 30 so I joined apprime. I don't think anyone from Ascendancy last round had joined Apprime before this happened.

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Knowing what to do does not make it easy to do, though.
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sorry i was away all day so haven't got around to replying to this thread

do i think that it was a fantastic land - no
could it have been handled better - yes
was it a round ending 'crash' - no
is my round over because i lost 10k frigates - no

as we are talking about people making 'shit' decisions, would you like to discuss the case of the apprime guy who is now light 163k harpy?
There is shit and there is shit.
This was a shit decision, afaik he overslept and 'naturally' ended up in being fc'd by a late fi wave.
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I invite you to join a middle tier alliance and turn it into a contender against Apprime without recruiting a single current Apprime player.

I just like the fact that you always preech how everyone else should be doing things, when you're always in the #1 alliance.. Why did you join Apprime and make matters worse? when with your obvious superior intelect (with the way you talk down to every other alliance) you could of made PA more interesting by mounting a challange against them? instead, you decided to join them and moan about every other alliance not being good enough.

Planetarion only ever has room for one good alliance, as every player including yourself gravitate towards that alliance.
Maybe trying to do that for f-crew was a little ambitious?
At least we Know who can now be classed as Core In ASC.

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do i think that it was a fantastic land - no
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was it a round ending 'crash' - no
is my round over because i lost 10k frigates - no

as we are talking about people making 'shit' decisions, would you like to discuss the case of the apprime guy who is now light 163k harpy?
The Only thing to regret is not faking in some clips as you would think some Numpty would have kept some Fireblades home to cover any de ships.

I see that the Fort gal in Question is down over 20% in roids at this time. So it was a brucey Bonus to show that a certain galaxy can lose roids. Anyone seen what happened to those LEET roids?
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I know that at least at one place a grand total of 500k was paid for 317 roids.

<+Theam> !roidcost 317 500k 50
<@LDK> Capping 317 roids at 500k value with 50% bonus will repay in 420 ticks (17 days) Demo: 467 ticks (19 days) Total: 457 ticks (19 days)

Really, attack them more. (I refer to http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=198490 this for more information on this).
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Maybe trying to do that for f-crew was a little ambitious?
I don't know if this is a joke (if so it's a terrible one) but I didn't join f-crew in an officer or HC position, nor with the intent of turning them into a #1 competing alliance, something which I doubt anyone in f-crew would have wanted me to do anyways even if I could given that it would involve turning their backs on some of the fundamental concepts of their alliance.

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I glazed over past mek's response to me earlier. Quite right I have to say and indeed I imagine anyone in apprime would be annoyed at losing fleet. But this is a slightly different thing. There's oversleeping and stuff like that, or 'shit happens' crashes if you will, and then there's not really knowing how pa works type crashes, such as crashing on defence in order to show that you can, er, crash on defence?
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I see that the Fort gal in Question is down over 20% in roids at this time. So it was a brucey Bonus to show that a certain galaxy can lose roids. Anyone seen what happened to those LEET roids?

Congrats, capping 1900 roids and crashing nearly 1mil value in the process. Way to win the war eh?
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And about half those roids came from late-signups and low value planets who give no xp and have little problem of getting them back.

So yeah, great job!
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You dont need JBG to fight Apprime, you just need motivated people that arent selfish s****. (Ascendancy will have me cussing one day I am sure)

There needs to be some people with some guts that stop talking and start attacking, the reasons that blocks fail is the selfishness of so many alliances to just think about them them them.

The only way to stop Apprime is to get a block formed and work as one, no back deals with Apprime, I think of how many alliances would block against the number one alliance then feed information to them so they arent the one that the alliance hits back, you cant keep being selfish. If you do attack you cant stop, you are never done til the round is over, you have to defeat them and keep it up, make there lives miserable

Right now your only goal should be that Apprime is not #1.

But you wont do it because you want top planet, top gal, top average roids. Newbies are easier to hit and thats all you really care about.

I have been in an alliance that was the target of these blocks a number of rounds, it gives us reason to log in more, it makes us play harder, and we do this because we know the alliances cant keep the block together very long because of the selfish attitudes of each of the alliances.

Even right now there are alliances napped with Apprime, whats really bad they still barely rank. Grow some and get off your asses if you dont the round was really over before we left protection.
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I think that the main problem atm, is that people who usually start something ( got groups of people loyal to them ) and are more or less capable and willing, are "all" currently in Apprime.
( examples: ouzo "leaders", omen "leaders", denial, asc, and some other weird individuals who have people loyal to them as elviz, foxman and cardi! )

Add all those people in one alliance and not only is the quality higher in that alliance, but the rest of the universe is even more shit.
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Unless those people are willing to change the status quo then shall we just give the obligatory gg round 36?
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more or less, yes.

But, people will be bored, and start something new... / restart something old
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more or less, yes.

But, people will be bored, and start something new... / restart something old
by restart something old, i presume you mean reform asc with the same people moving back from app to asc...and thus same shit different day?
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by restart something old, i presume you mean reform asc with the same people moving back from app to asc...and thus same shit different day?
if the universe hadnt been completely retarded r35, they should have been able to get asc and apprime to fight eachother, instead of forcing them to work together.
having 2 strong alliances is better than having all good players in 1 alliance
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Re: round 35 politics

The weird thing about the anti-Ascendancy/Apprime mentality is this:

In this thread you guys have been complaining about the status quo. About how boring it is that the same alliances keep winning. I can't say I much disagree with that sentiment. But the thing is, back in round 32, Apprime was founded at least partly to end the dominance of Ascendancy. And now that they have (evidently) been doing that, winning 3 of the last 4 rounds, if we're so bold as to prematurely include this one, you're again calling for someone to step up.

The problem that you're facing, from my point of view, is not so much that there are dominant alliances in the game, but that the mediocre alliances (ie, the ones you're in) don't step up and do something about it. To which I can only say, well, it's because they're mediocre. Their strategies are mediocre, their dedication is mediocre, they are unable to adapt to changes in the metagame, are unwilling to put in the time required to win rounds, and would never win any game, be it PA or any other one, if they faced opponents like Apprime or Ascendancy. Feel free to replace the pronouns as befits the situation.

I'm seeing a lot of people saying that we (A&A) are the ones that should solve this, but the problem is that we're just doing what we're supposed to be doing: we're trying to win the game. What do you want us to do? Play using only our left hands? Do you want us to just win rounds for you? Or should we just keep changing the game mechanics until they suit your playing style?

To me, it's nothing short of hilarious that Light calls JBG a hypocrite for not joining shit alliances in order to make them win, when he was in fact the guy that made Ascendancy what it was. I understand the frustration, believe me, I do, but don't you see the the pointlessness in complaining about this? Step up and win, shut up and play, or go home and do something else. Those are your choices.
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Re: round 35 politics

They have only won 2 of the last 4 rounds..

31 Toot the Alliance
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I realize you could be counting this one already, but I would like to think that there would be some mediocre players out there, who put aside there differences and choose a new destiny.
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They have only won 2 of the last 4 rounds..

31 Toot the Alliance
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34 Apprime

I realize you could be counting this one already, but I would like to think that there would be some mediocre players out there, who put aside there differences and choose a new destiny.
Apprime didn't exist in round 31
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Re: round 35 politics

therefore they couldnt have won 3 out of the last 4 rounds...
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The universe sat back and let you and euphoria fight it out. That did not go according to plan (probably because of the odds being stacked against euph initially with the release of their coords on pawiki)
You make it sound like it's hard to find Apprime's co-ords... I've looked at Sandman's 2-3 times this round and spotted at least 10 of their planets. Seriously stop saying stupid shit.

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if we don't block from the start, let you fight one on one...you state we should have blocked from the start...
Should have been less shit I think. What happened to all the shit about how awesome Euph were pre-round? if they got raped by apprime so quick they can't be that great...

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03[16:54] * Topic is 'apply to apprime : http://www.pastebin.org/78170 recruiting ppl who have accountsharing skills + vnc knowlegde'
03[16:54] * Set by MaxPimpinnnnnn on Wed Jan 20 16:47:06

Hmm ... Thats certainly one way to improve
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I have absolutely no idea what this has to do with anything. I reckon I could do it though yeah. However I'm not really interested in that, sounds a bit too much like something I already did with ascendancy to be honest.
Whilst I do agree with the general sentiment of this post; the difference is that in Ascendancy you were working with good players (I seem to remember someone calling Ascendancy the "retirement home for the good players" pre success or something?) but Light would like to see it done with the morons who reside in shit alliances like CT.

I personally think it'd be hilarious to see irc logs of JBG as HC of CT, trying to make them less shit.
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Whilst I do agree with the general sentiment of this post; the difference is that in Ascendancy you were working with good players (I seem to remember someone calling Ascendancy the "retirement home for the good players" pre success or something?) but Light would like to see it done with the morons who reside in shit alliances like CT.

I personally think it'd be hilarious to see irc logs of JBG as HC of CT, trying to make them less shit.
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