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Unread 8 Aug 2006, 09:01   #151
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Prior to r17 - well who knows .
Is that actually supposed to mean something? Can I assume you weren't happy with my answer to the original question?
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Re: Congratulations eXilition

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No hes never bin a member of 1up. Willzzz is ex HC of Legion (aka VtS) as far as i can remmember. The most idle git in PA History. So he does have some knowledge at least. And to be honest some of the things he has said are true. But i wont be going into them. So ill leave it at that. Just clarifying he is of course not in 1up. As many people seem to think thats the only reason why hes voicing his appionon toward exi so bitterly.
Now this is a valuable post. You might aswell posted nothing. What is true and is there something to actually back up what you claim to be true? I know who willzzz is.
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Unread 8 Aug 2006, 09:51   #153
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What is true and is there something to actually back up what you claim to be true? I know who willzzz is.
Lets look at the part you quoted shall we!

I shall for the older readers of the forums (and maybe the ignorant ;o) highlight each point assasin makes.

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No hes POINT A never been a member of 1up. POINT B Willzzz is ex HC of Legion (aka VtS) as far as i can remmember. POINT C The most idle git in PA History. So POINT D he does have some knowledge at least. And to be honest POINT E some of the things he has said are true. But POINT F i wont be going into them. So ill leave it at that. Just POINT A.2 clarifying he is of course not in 1up. As many people seem to think thats the only reason why hes voicing his appionon toward exi so bitterly.
I fair bit of what he said is true and I would argue for forum posters who arent quite in the know like clearly someone of such highstanding such as yourself, his post is rather useful.

I think I will go and pos rep him for it I believe it is that good.

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Unread 8 Aug 2006, 09:58   #154
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Re: Congratulations eXilition

how come all threads involving 1up and eXi turn into trolling wars albeit clever ones, most of the people here can contrust clear concise english sentances and make them look like constructive criticism but there just trolling.

Ok the point I would like to make is can people stop talking about cheating or people who use VNC, i thought ( although i might be wrong) people dont use it anymore so there NOW isnt a problem they used to be but quite frankly get over it.

I have loads of respect for both of the alliances but honestly i lose it by the minuite when i read what you guys write. guys you are probably the best PA players in the game now and possibly there ever has been grats to both of you now im not asking you guys to get along with each other rivally is a good think but can we please for my and everyone else who isnt 1up and eXi stop turning every thread into a 1up did this exi did this please?

Im not really that fussed but you guys are making people respect you less
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can we please for my and everyone else who isnt 1up and eXi stop turning every thread into a 1up did this exi did this please?

Im not really that fussed but you guys are making people respect you less
I think you will find its always NON 1up/eX posters that move it in this direction in the first place so obviously some people are interested, I find the whole discussion boring
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Unread 8 Aug 2006, 10:11   #156
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I think you will find its always NON 1up/eX posters that move it in this direction in the first place so obviously some people are interested, I find the whole discussion boring

at least we agree on something
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Unread 8 Aug 2006, 10:14   #157
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I think you will find its always NON 1up/eX posters that move it in this direction in the first place
Incidentally the way 1up or eXi play dictates the round for most of them, so it's no big suprise they have an opinion on the matter. However, turning each debate into a 'yes / no / go prove it'-contest isn't any good at all, and boring, I'll agree to that.
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how come all threads involving 1up and eXi turn into trolling wars albeit clever ones, most of the people here can contrust clear concise english sentances and make them look like constructive criticism but there just trolling.
I believe we have mods to decide what is and isnt trolling, but thank you for trying to become the internet police and tell us what I and others can and can't post.

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Ok the point I would like to make is can people stop talking about cheating or people who use VNC, i thought ( although i might be wrong) people dont use it anymore so there NOW isnt a problem they used to be but quite frankly get over it.
Once again a 1up, an exilition arent mentioning cheating but you are bring the subject back up, we dont talk about it so you dont have to!

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guys you are probably the best PA players in the game now and possibly there ever has been grats to both of you now im not asking you guys to get along with each other rivally is a good think but can we please for my and everyone else who isnt 1up and eXi stop turning every thread into a 1up did this exi did this please?
In general a thread with the title "Congratulations eXilition" will be about exil, and I hastent to add 1up. If a thread had ND in the title one would hope ND and there rivals would be mentioned.

I would also like to add that I dont believe 1up and exil hate each other, we respect each other and I like many others get on well with members of there community.
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OK then, as the moderator i'll tell you:

- there are some posts on this thread that I would categorise as 'borderline' but none that in my opinion break the rules (although yours technically does, because it's up to the mods to decide who is trolling)

- there are posts on here that make me want to gouge my eyes out in terms of their quality, but I have to read them, analyse them and moderate them.

- if a bad post is not against the rules, I will not delete them unless they reached the complete depths because a bad post is for the poster in question to hang themselves with.
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lokken i wasnt trolling pig, i was mearly saying that my post wasn't relevant and that he basically put me in my place.
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In general a thread with the title "Congratulations eXilition" will be about exil, and I hastent to add 1up. If a thread had ND in the title one would hope ND and there rivals would be mentioned.
Who said it was about 1up? The first post in this thread says "congratulations exilition" and just mentions them.

It was a 1up member who then brought 1up into the argument by complaining about Exilition (sour grapes ).



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I would also like to add that I dont believe 1up and exil hate each other, we respect each other and I like many others get on well with members of there community.
I agree with this though.

I remember earlier in the round, perhaps 3 weeks in, someone in Exilition's private channel asking Kaifux what he thought of the guys in 1up.

His reply (I can't find it but I looked in the logs) was something like "No, I love 1up - they keep the round interesting by being good competition". Which is true - and it's what most Exilitioners think.
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After my ass was mentioned this thread has only gone downwards.

And to all those who have ever felt hate towards any opposition in Planetarion - I strongly suggest you go get some help.
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Re: Congratulations eXilition

I've refrained from posting in this thread until now simply because it was a bit shit. Actually, it was really shit and it's gradually getting worse. A haven of nitpickers and smelly idiots whose writings pollute the interweb unconscionably. However I've decided that if I let that stop me then my postcount would still be in the single digits.

It seems to me that all this dross and sludge, a lot of it from opinionated former players and sycophantic mouthpieces without an original idea or insight between them, has clouded what is really a very simple issue.

The idea of 'better' is subjective and therefore neither 1up nor eXilition can ever be judged superior to the other. There are simply too many levels of comparison and too many factors in play for an objective truth to be found. We can, if we are so inclined, judge success reasonably well though. The game provides a scoring system and the victor of each previous round is remembered, giving context for score comparison.

But I would rather shoot myself in the face than occupy a position that all either 1up or eXilition are worth is the score they've had in the rounds they've played. It may be silly, but 1up means far more to me than that and I'm sure the same is true of eXi for their players. It will truly be a sad day (for Planetarion - not worldwide or anything) if it ever transpires that the best players in this game regard score as their primary motivation for playing. Primarily because the game simply isn't good enough for that to be sustainable but also considering that, once more, we are being shown that an alliance united, under strong leadership, is greater than the sum of it's parts and thus ultimately has a tendancy to prevail.

It is this commonality between alliances that is the cause of both the mutual respect and rivalry which I feel is generally prevalent between 1up & eXilition. This rivalry is bound to raise issues such as 1 round hardcore excellence (playing only when you can deploy the full strength of your alliance, conserving strength in between) vs continuous effort at as high a level as can be maintained. These styles are not intrinsically better or worse, simply different. I know which I value more and so I play in 1up - a personal choice.
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Would you be willing to declare that 1up had no out-of-tag scanners at the beginning of Round 18?
I cannot speak for HC but as one of the last 2 hold outs to join the tag it only makes logical sence to have your scanners in tag before tick 72. The alliance fund can be directly used for scans by the 6 designated scanners. It also takes 8 ticks to donate resources to an in tag player so having scanners out of tag would be detrimental in terms of getting the most value out of shared scans.
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Excellent Achilles, you get it. Some of us who refrain from being drawn offside and contributing to a ridiculous thread such as this one, applaud you. Give me PA community (although a dying one) over any choice here. Having good opponents and good sportmanship is what competition should entail. Instead, we have a cesspool of spoiled rotten toddlers with an inet connection who hide behind their keyboard and float freely on these forums without any consequence or recourse for their actions.

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It seems to me that all this dross and sludge, a lot of it from opinionated former players and sycophantic mouthpieces without an original idea or insight between them, has clouded what is really a very simple issue.

The idea of 'better' is subjective and therefore neither 1up nor eXilition can ever be judged superior to the other.

But I would rather shoot myself in the face than occupy a position that all either 1up or eXilition are worth is the score they've had in the rounds they've played.
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Pft everyone slates eX saying that, 'oh noes they only play every other round'. However i think this is a harsh statement in that it is only the eX HC's and a small number of other players that take the round break. I think people forget that although eX dont play together as an alliance 80% of their members play consistently in other allies during these ''off/resting'' periods. The choice not to play every round is one reached by eX HC's and its not necessarily representitive of its memberbase.
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Pft everyone slates eX saying that, 'oh noes they only play every other round'. However i think this is a harsh statement in that it is only the eX HC's and a small number of other players that take the round break. I think people forget that although eX dont play together as an alliance 80% of their members play consistently in other allies during these ''off/resting'' periods. The choice not to play every round is one reached by eX HC's and its not necessarily representitive of its memberbase.
It is however representative of their overall strategy.

So far they have only played in rounds where 1up has just won the previous round. The use the negative feelings people have towards 1up to garner more support from those other alliances where their members hang out during the so call "Off-Rounds."

To be honest it is a brilliant strategy and we should have seen it before. I really don't think eXi could manage 2 rounds in a row but only eXi HC could attempt to prove that wrong by having their alliance play round after round the way most alliances do.

I did notice that eXi is recruiting for R19 so maybe we can have a real showdown with more dynamics next round.
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So far they have only played in rounds where 1up has just won the previous round. The use the negative feelings people have towards 1up to garner more support from those other alliances where their members hang out during the so call "Off-Rounds."
Can i just point out that this may indeed be vaild for rounds 13/15 but it hardly applies to the current round. eX have been 100% solo so far this round, they have also been the only allaince at war with 1up.

It is 1up that has gathered support to attack us* so im unsure at how you can draw the conclusions you have made.


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Can i just point out that this may indeed be vaild for rounds 13/15 but it hardly applies to the current round. eX have been 100% solo so far this round, they have also been the only allaince at war with 1up.

It is 1up that has gathered support to attack us* so im unsure at how you can draw the conclusions you have made.


* I in no way mean this in a negative way, the round was stagnating and it has brought a smile to more than a few eX players that we finally have a fight on our hands again.
R15 was a lot more fun/competitive ...at least to this point
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No hes never bin a member of 1up. Willzzz is ex HC of Legion (aka VtS) as far as i can remmember. The most idle git in PA History. So he does have some knowledge at least. And to be honest some of the things he has said are true. But i wont be going into them. So ill leave it at that. Just clarifying he is of course not in 1up. As many people seem to think thats the only reason why hes voicing his appionon toward exi so bitterly.
your just jealous of his idling skills
as far as i can remember he was offered a place in 1up but would need willzz or sid to confirm this
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I cannot speak for HC but as one of the last 2 hold outs to join the tag it only makes logical sence to have your scanners in tag before tick 72. The alliance fund can be directly used for scans by the 6 designated scanners. It also takes 8 ticks to donate resources to an in tag player so having scanners out of tag would be detrimental in terms of getting the most value out of shared scans.
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Is that actually supposed to mean something? Can I assume you weren't happy with my answer to the original question?
Er...

It means nothing more than it says and says nothing more than it does. I've left open the question of whether or not 1up had out-of-tag scanners prior to Round 16, since you admitted that you didn't recall and we weren't sure given that past forum posts were ambiguous at best. I really don't see much point in getting into an argument over this, but if you want to keep it running....feel free.
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I've refrained from posting in this thread until now simply because it was a bit shit. Actually, it was really shit and it's gradually getting worse. A haven of nitpickers and smelly idiots whose writings pollute the interweb unconscionably. However I've decided that if I let that stop me then my postcount would still be in the single digits.

It seems to me that all this dross and sludge, a lot of it from opinionated former players and sycophantic mouthpieces without an original idea or insight between them, has clouded what is really a very simple issue.

The idea of 'better' is subjective and therefore neither 1up nor eXilition can ever be judged superior to the other. There are simply too many levels of comparison and too many factors in play for an objective truth to be found. We can, if we are so inclined, judge success reasonably well though. The game provides a scoring system and the victor of each previous round is remembered, giving context for score comparison.

But I would rather shoot myself in the face than occupy a position that all either 1up or eXilition are worth is the score they've had in the rounds they've played. It may be silly, but 1up means far more to me than that and I'm sure the same is true of eXi for their players. It will truly be a sad day (for Planetarion - not worldwide or anything) if it ever transpires that the best players in this game regard score as their primary motivation for playing. Primarily because the game simply isn't good enough for that to be sustainable but also considering that, once more, we are being shown that an alliance united, under strong leadership, is greater than the sum of it's parts and thus ultimately has a tendancy to prevail.

It is this commonality between alliances that is the cause of both the mutual respect and rivalry which I feel is generally prevalent between 1up & eXilition. This rivalry is bound to raise issues such as 1 round hardcore excellence (playing only when you can deploy the full strength of your alliance, conserving strength in between) vs continuous effort at as high a level as can be maintained. These styles are not intrinsically better or worse, simply different. I know which I value more and so I play in 1up - a personal choice.
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It seems to me that all this dross and sludge, a lot of it from opinionated former players and sycophantic mouthpieces without an original idea or insight between them, has clouded what is really a very simple issue.

Its a discussion board. "AD" Alliance Discussions. If everyone had the same opinion, you would* be nothing.

If you feel the issue is clouded, maybe you didn't understand. If everyone didn't understand like you, then noone would know.

I can't knock your post though. I get your idea, but reading your idea actually felt better than the reality, and the way it is implemented into the game. People do play for score, top planets have bene playing for score, since that was the way to win. But I understand what you mean, and I don't think you are psycho for thinking different than I do.

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I think this thread has depleted itself. Achilles summed it up quite well. 1up vs eX is clearly over and eX won that face off (20k roid difference after a week of fighting). As the skilldifference has been cleared it's now up to the numbers to decide the winner of this new war. I think Forest could be the perfect guy to make a new thread about it.

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How do i end up in this thread?

I know im sexy but im neither exil or 1up
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As the skilldifference has been cleared it's now up to the numbers to decide the winner of this new war.
And seeing as you dragged me into this.

It is worth noting that certain key members of 1up when you beat 1up through mass blocking are now in exi when u 'won through skill'.

Can we not deduce from that that 1up was most skillful when you won through a block?

And therfor you are correct in that the argument has been decided?

No, i didnt think so.

Frankly until both alliances play under the same circumstances, that discussion cant be answered till then.
And even then, it cant be decided over one round, because other isues will always come into play.
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I really don't see much point in getting into an argument over this, but if you want to keep it running....feel free.
No arguments here. I was merely reflecting upon a point you brought up that had absolutely nothing to do with the original question which, I believe, I answered fully and to your satisfaction.
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what he means you idiot is that in THIS ROUND EXIL OUTPLAYED(and out"skilled") 1UP (at least to this point anyway)
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It is worth noting that certain key members of 1up when you beat 1up through mass blocking are now in exi when u 'won through skill'.
No doubt 1up only won R17 because Filth joined who was previously eX.


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And seeing as you dragged me into this.

It is worth noting that certain key members of 1up when you beat 1up through mass blocking are now in exi when u 'won through skill'.

Can we not deduce from that that 1up was most skillful when you won through a block?

And therfor you are correct in that the argument has been decided?

No, i didnt think so.

Frankly until both alliances play under the same circumstances, that discussion cant be answered till then.
And even then, it cant be decided over one round, because other isues will always come into play.

Yes, no way to tell who is the best. We can say that Exil keeps winning though. In my history, or should I say the worlds. The weaker opponent doesn't keep winning. Normally the better opponent wins.

But yeah, here in PA land the best isn't determined by who won or lost.

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Yes, no way to tell who is the best. We can say that Exil keeps winning though. In my history, or should I say the worlds. The weaker opponent doesn't keep winning. Normally the better opponent wins.

But yeah, here in PA land the best isn't determined by who won or lost.

you serious, im pretty sure thats a good way of telling who is better tbh
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I know which I value more and so I play in 1up - a personal choice.
Lol cool - one of the losers who won't admit that the winners are better. Classic.
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On another note, cudos to xVx. You are not giving up yet
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ill second that, sandmans shows theyre really taking a pasting. how long can they hold up against eXi?
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they're not giving up but getting beaten pretty badly
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oh i would still be scared of 1up.
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they never will be, since they are not the kind of alliance that simply gives up and stops fighting!
but, exi has created a nice gap between themselves and 1up, and if needbe, im sure that they can make the gap even wider!

as for exi having won the round already, well u know what they say, it ain't over 'till the fat lady sings!
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Lol cool - one of the losers who won't admit that the winners are better. Classic.
You made my day in proving your IQ level is below that of SubH fleet slots attacking eXi.

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You made my day in proving your IQ level is below that of SubH fleet slots attacking eXi.

My view: It took 1up to beat 1up. Am I going to explain? No, but feel feel to analyse.
Right, eX had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Congratulations eXilition

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You made my day in proving your IQ level is below that of SubH fleet slots attacking eXi.

My view: It took 1up to beat 1up. Am I going to explain? No, but feel feel to analyse.
Ah the old, "they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves" bull-crap. The mating call of sore losers the world over. So Sad. :crymeariver:

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Re: Congratulations eXilition

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Originally Posted by Gio2k
Right, eX had nothing to do with it.
He didn't say it was only 1up who beat 1up - that was one of the main factors though (in his opinion).

I think what he's trying to say is that 1up wouldn't have come 1st in this round no matter who they faced. If that IS what he's saying, I disagree. It's entirely speculative but he could be correct. We'll never know!
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