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Unread 5 Jun 2003, 09:16   #1
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Zik start sleet

Neverplayed zik so help me out guys

Ideas

1.Thief/Maruader/Pod

Might get some vults

2. Cutter, Marauder,Pod

All frigate will hit fi/co/fr most commmon ships

3.rogue,Cutter,pod

get demeters

corsairs,cutlass clippers for alliance/me defence covers all pods

SO what do ye think. If have a change can explain why cos I'm not to up on things with zik. Also I will probably be attacking xans and terrans primarily, and then caths.

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hmm if u read around a bit u'll find plenty of info about a zik fleet i think



i think best ways are:

fi/Co fleet meaning u need to fleet hunt some Xan's for their vults
use corsairs/cutlass/thiefs and brigs as fleet.. can be well used on attacks and defence


a cutter/clipper/pod fleet is according to some ppl a very effective and dangerous fleet, could be worth a try


or go for a DE fleet with clippers/rogues/buccaneers & stolen pegs/demeters


but i think fleet stealing will be very hard this round as everyone has newsies and all, so their won't be much surprises on attack, i would say the cutter/clipper/pod fleet would be most usefull, and u can always add some rogues or other steals ships to it to try and open some extra options for u later on by stealing pods on ur targets planet

[edit] please note that i never played zik before (not really atleast :P) and that i have taken the above from other posts or from what i heard from other [/edit]
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The best thing to do for any zik player is to go for ships only (ok roids are nice offc).
Cause everyne can build everythig allready, but NOT in large amonts, in a normal game your income would be prolly higher then what you get now and you would have a fleet allread.
At this time there will be loads of people who have just a few ships of the kind you would like. Especially terrans, so get a cath to double up whith and go get yourself the ships, you can make a deal that you send less pods in attack so that the cath player will get enough for his trouble !!!
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i think best ways are:

fi/Co fleet meaning u need to fleet hunt some Xan's for their vults
use corsairs/cutlass/thiefs and brigs as fleet.. can be well used on attacks and defence


a cutter/clipper/pod fleet is according to some ppl a very effective and dangerous fleet, could be worth a try


or go for a DE fleet with clippers/rogues/buccaneers & stolen pegs/demeters


but i think fleet stealing will be very hard this round as everyone has newsies and all, so their won't be much surprises on attack, i would say the cutter/clipper/pod fleet would be most usefull, and u can always add some rogues or other steals ships to it to try and open some extra options for u later on by stealing pods on ur targets planet
It's my 1st time playing Zik and I'm trying to make 2 attacking fleets, the last 2.

Zik DE's r very powerfull and cutters combined with clippers kill almost all types of ships used in defence....
just my 2 cents...
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...is the way to get chucked out of/not allowed into an alliance.

I agree, but you need to add FI, so corsairs too
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...is the way to get chucked out of/not allowed into an alliance.

I agree, but you need to add FI, so corsairs too

DONT BUILD CORSAIRS!!!

Cutlasses are clearly superior, AND they wont target my Crusiers .


CR caths would simply love to take on a Clipper/Cutter/pod combo... adding corsairs means that they'll take losses
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Question Another lame zik question ;)

I was wondering if the clipper was worth building this round, I played PA since round 4, but took a break during rounds 8 + 9...Before round 8 + 9 Clippers were very good ships if i recall correctley..now people are telling me to build brigs because they kill more efficientley and they have more armor...looking at the stats this could be true..

so, i could use your help on this one...

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according to all the nice matrixes* (sp?) i've looked at the brig is only minorly more efficient in all cases...but the clipper has a better initiative and targets all...but the brig has the better armor :P..so now im really torn up...
Brig or Clip?

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depends if you go CO or DE fleet.

If i were you id build Clippers
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Clippers are one of the best ships a zik has. Personally I think that after the Guardian it is the best ship in the game. And it is a Crystal sink. It doesn't fit in a fi/co fleet, but it's essential in a De fleet and the fr/de fleet.
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Thanks for input guys.

Yeh i have gone with a fleet of cutter/clipper/pod

And i use corsair/cutlass/thief for defence

What ye think of mauraders? An odd time i steal some black widows or pods but thats about it

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Marauders don't fit well in your attack fleet. They steal Fr/Co: Co would be an extra class of ships for your attack fleet. Rogues fit better and can also steal black widows. But a few would be nice.
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Marauders don't fit well in your attack fleet. They steal Fr/Co: Co would be an extra class of ships for your attack fleet. Rogues fit better and can also steal black widows. But a few would be nice.
Just dont take you marauders with you if you're gonna cap corvettes, that's where bcalc.com (as long as it's up) is perfect for
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Heh its funny i nearly got a xan fleet now just missing vults.
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Marauders don't fit well in your attack fleet.
wtf?


Marauders, not only steal FR for you to improve your Frigate fleet (like BW), BUT their main role is to provide armoured flak for your FR pods.

Obviously if you are going for a DE fleet, then rogues are superior - but arent we talking about a Clipper/Cutter/Pod/(marauder) fleet?

imo build the marauders - iirc they are the best stealer the Ziks have in terms of efficiency (though i might be wrong on that).
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wtf?


Marauders, not only steal FR for you to improve your Frigate fleet (like BW), BUT their main role is to provide armoured flak for your FR pods.

Obviously if you are going for a DE fleet, then rogues are superior - but arent we talking about a Clipper/Cutter/Pod/(marauder) fleet?

imo build the marauders - iirc they are the best stealer the Ziks have in terms of efficiency (though i might be wrong on that).
Hang on, Rogues steal DE (Useful for Pegs + Dems for a DE fleet) and also FR (For BWs). A clipper/cutter/pod fleet already has DEs in it, so Rogues would not increase. Oh, and cutters are very popular already, due to the large numbers of Xan, they also have the same armour value as marauders (but cost less, thus more armour for your resources) and have a higher EMP resistance, so how are they better armoured flak?
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Hang on, Rogues steal DE (Useful for Pegs + Dems for a DE fleet) and also FR (For BWs). A clipper/cutter/pod fleet already has DEs in it, so Rogues would not increase. Oh, and cutters are very popular already, due to the large numbers of Xan, they also have the same armour value as marauders (but cost less, thus more armour for your resources) and have a higher EMP resistance, so how are they better armoured flak?
Ah yes, you are correct. I do not know what planet i am on. Many apologies...

For the record, the Cutter and Marauder have the same armour, but the marauder costs an additional 1000 resources.

I'd like to point out that, to an extent, my statement of using marauders as flak still stands - you capture FR such as BW whilst providing armoured flak for your FR pods. Rogues only do that in the case of units firing from DE to FR - whilst hte Marauder flaks them always .

Cutters are so popular cos all Zik ships cost such a stupid amount of C. Clippers are 5kM/9kC, Rogues are 7.5k/8.5k and maraduers are 1:1...
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And i use corsair/cutlass/thief for defence
please don't forget the brig its initiative might suck extremely, but it kills damn well \o/ and it can finish the killing job for the corsairs when they are attracting and wasting the fire of for example pegs and widowmakers
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hehe the only way to play zik is to use thieves.

lots and lots and lots of thieves....
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i play zik with clippers and cutters as the back bone of the fleet, which work well with cutlass,

and with plays tending to stick to only building certin ships like (pegs/dems/chim or tara/mantis) send in the stealing ships

some may agree with the manual when it says zik is the hardest to play with cos you have to change ur fleet around to expose ur targets weak spots

well thats what i think and it playing fine with me
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Hey quick update

This is my preferred zik fleet for attacking

clipper/cutter/marader/chimeras/pods

Do u think i would be better of building more pods or more mauraders?
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Do u think i would be better of building more pods or more mauraders?
whatever you do; try to keep as few pods as possible.. astropods die like flies and you're much better off with any other frigate
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marauders = pods anyway since you'll end up stealing a lot of them. so i'd go for marauders, (and get some cat fs)
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Before this round i was thinking of going for the DE-class. Cap some pegs and dems to make a fleet of pegs, clippers, rogues, buccaneers and dems. but as the time went by, i ended up with about 100 vults from deff-missions. So I've gone from the DE-class to the FI/COs. The FI/COs consists of spids, beetles, (corsairs), cutlasses, vults, brigs, thieves and other xan ships. Attack xans and you'll surly get a good roidingfleet.
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Before this round i was thinking of going for the DE-class. Cap some pegs and dems to make a fleet of pegs, clippers, rogues, buccaneers and dems. but as the time went by, i ended up with about 100 vults from deff-missions. So I've gone from the DE-class to the FI/COs. The FI/COs consists of spids, beetles, (corsairs), cutlasses, vults, brigs, thieves and other xan ships. Attack xans and you'll surly get a good roidingfleet.
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great double-posting skillz there Marmor

I still maintain that the FR fleet is the best Ziks can do as it eliminated their dependency on Pods. But whatever rocks your boat...
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great double-posting skillz there Marmor

I still maintain that the FR fleet is the best Ziks can do as it eliminated their dependency on Pods. But whatever rocks your boat...
with so many inactives, n00bs and general "dont care" players around its not hard to cap a decent amount of pegs/dems...
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Originally posted by at0mic.c0w
with so many inactives, n00bs and general "dont care" players around its not hard to cap a decent amount of pegs/dems...
What about 'less hard than previous rounds'? because i still hear people whinging about how hard it is to cap DE, and they only have 40 dems etc etc
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