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Unread 2 Apr 2007, 17:45   #1
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Detained for five years without trial or charge

This makes me so proud to be british. It is quite frankly despicable that our government can behave in a manner that would rightly be condemned anywhere else in the world. We put restraining orders on individuals that effectively puts them under house arrest yet we call the burmese barbarians for doing the same to their undesirables (such as Aung Sung Suu Kyi). We're complicit in the capture and extradition of our own people to countries where they're held without any due process and basically outside the normal judicial process and yet we we're fighting for democracy and justice. Had anyone else outside the security council behaved in this manner we'd be putting sanctions on them.
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Unread 2 Apr 2007, 18:30   #2
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

I can understand your upset with the Americans but why with the British? Because they didn't do enough to try to gain their release earlier or because of their part in the original arrest or both?
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

/me waits for Paisley to advocate a military strike to free the 9 remaining British citizens from Guantanamo Bay.

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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

The key rule to being powerful is to never hold yourself up to the same standards with which you hold others. This is nothing new.
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

The key difference in how the Iranians dealt with the 15 sailors and how we treated the 17 held under suspect of terrorism in Belmarsh prison is that we didn't parade anyone in front of national media. Actually, I think the Iranians have been a little more specific with what the British are alleged to have done, and there's no evidence of mental deterioration in the prisoners as yet, and the they have been in custody for less time (some have been in Belmarsh for over 2 years).
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

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I can understand your upset with the Americans but why with the British? Because they didn't do enough to try to gain their release earlier or because of their part in the original arrest or both?

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The key rule to being powerful is to never hold yourself up to the same standards with which you hold others. This is nothing new.
Well quite, but im not sure why that should affect my outrage (or else im not sure what you're trying to say to me)
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

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We're complicit in the capture and extradition of our own people ...
Did you realize these nine men are not citizens of the UK; therefore, they are not your own people? Or do you consider citizens of Iraq, Ethiopia, Jordan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria and Uganda to be your own people?
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Did you realize these nine men are not citizens of the UK; therefore, they are not your own people? Or do you consider citizens of Iraq, Ethiopia, Jordan, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria and Uganda to be your own people?
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Re: Detained for five years without trial or charge

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Had anyone else outside the security council behaved in this manner we'd be putting sanctions on them.
Israel have been holding people for decades without trial. But then again, it can probably be argued that Israel holds a seat in the security council..
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