Official Phraktos Statement

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

I've always expressed my feelings about a possible war between fang and phraktos. I just dislike the way it is happening yet nonetheless I'll have fun fighting this war. Believe whatever you want m8.

I was spotting some inconsistencies that have come across from you and FAnG to the forums at large.

I hope you have fun fighting this war. Had you initialised combat things could be much much different for FAnG - they'd have the respect they seem to constantly desire on this forums, justify their arrogance had they won such a conflict and certainly (in my mind) deserve to lose this round, because they've failed to make positive moves to try and win the round, unlike Phraktos although this is a case of 'better late than never' in their case. Should you lose, I'd think you'ld live to regret not making such a decision.

Booooooo

[Kjeldoran]

Lokken, do you honnestly believe they declared a war cause they wanted to make this a better round for the other alliances? They did it to become #1.
What positive moves could we have made anyway Lokken? backstab our allies?

[Razorback]

must i quote you kj where you admit giving a damn about allies and the community anyways ?
If Phraktos were remotely close to a chance outgrowing you, you would have taken actions.
Especially with all those sentiments against them you name all the time it would be an easy step.
However there was no need to do so and you decided to play it save.
That phratkos gave it now a shot, is neither a surprise nor backstabbing, since you knew it was coming all the way long-

[-=Zyth=-]

I think its very very sad that phraktos are haemoraging members now they took this brave step, proof that it was never going to be in the interests of any of the 3 to break off.

Very sad.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Razorback

must i quote you kj where you admit giving a damn about allies and the community anyways ?
If Phraktos were remotely close to a chance outgrowing you, you would have taken actions.
Especially with all those sentiments against them you name all the time it would be an easy step.
However there was no need to do so and you decided to play it save.
That phratkos gave it now a shot, is neither a surprise nor backstabbing, since you knew it was coming all the way long-

I'm not HC, Focht. Yes I give a rats arse about other alliances their community, I doubt they would give something about ours. That's not meant to be insulting or negative, it's human nature tbh. Doesn't stop me from liking several allies and having friends in several alliances.

Yes we played it safe, that's the only thing you can rightfully blame us for. we expected them to do it since their chat end of March with Ely etc. It' s not a surprise, yet it still is backstabbing, Focht. If they only had given us an official 24 hours and given us their TRUE reason for doing this, which would be ending #1, then I doubt there would have been much fuzz about it.

Also, they try to take our big members aswell. Yet some pple praize them for their courage and their noble actions? What actions? attacking an ally so you could end #1? or deleting your planets when it seems they'd lose roids?
Or do you actually believe they started this war to make the last 2 weeks more fun for the rest?

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Lokken, do you honnestly believe they declared a war cause they wanted to make this a better round for the other alliances? They did it to become #1.
What positive moves could we have made anyway Lokken? backstab our allies?

Rob's post should give you the answer about this. Even if you see Phraktos as 'backstabbing' it's highly understandable because hey, they want to win. If you won't attack people purely on the basis of 'honour' that's really quite poor.

I doubt they give a shite about what people rant about and for the 'good of the game'. But I've consistently maintained that alliances should go for a win if the option is open to them, and it has been for some time. So in that respect, hats off to them.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by lokken

Rob's post should give you the answer about this. Even if you see Phraktos as 'backstabbing' it's highly understandable because hey, they want to win. If you won't attack people purely on the basis of 'honour' that's really quite poor.

I doubt they give a shite about what people rant about and for the 'good of the game'. But I've consistently maintained that alliances should go for a win if the option is open to them, and it has been for some time. So in that respect, hats off to them.

I agree and I would have done the same. But they give us tons of other reasons for their actions and they poached members aswell etc ...

So at what point could FAnG have done a good move? We were already #1, what can we do so you could respect us? attack the #2 so we could run further ahead? or ...

[Razorback]

you named it yourself, kj.
you could have attacked the #2 and im sure you could have found reasons for that aswell....

-anti stagnation, living up to the shit you preached the last 2 rounds while beeing in the losing camp.
-showing phratkos its limits for beeing bad allies
-having the guts to help your members getting another fight (fun?)

to name just 3 i could think of in less then a minute.

[Legator]

GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS

i hope all others join you !!!

[Kjeldoran]

Originally Posted by Razorback

you named it yourself, kj.
you could have attacked the #2 and im sure you could have found reasons for that aswell....

-anti stagnation, living up to the shit you preached the last 2 rounds while beeing in the losing camp.
-showing phratkos its limits for beeing bad allies
-having the guts to help your members getting another fight (fun?)

to name just 3 i could think of in less then a minute.

none of those are real reasons tbh.

[Recluse]

To me it just seems like phrak declared war and went to bed. Was this maybe the plan? :P

[god113]

I applaud you Phraktos. And I hope like hell Mistu will join you, just to make it a decent fight. Best Of Luck.

Phraktos have done their bit, let's just hope Mistu don't join the wrong side for a one way war.

[The_Fish]

heh decent fight? they've already lost, heh.

[Helix]

Adastra : You really dont have a right to whine that phraktos did not give you "enough warning" before attacking. Whether the agreement that FPM had with WP was "official" or not, there was still a NAP of sorts. And WP didn't get any notice at all, we had to have sources come tell us a few hours before the first waves that war was coming. At least Phraktos said they were going to war (and since you obviously sided with FAnG I would think it would be pretty obvious that they would be at war with you too)

[Nitros]

Originally Posted by -=Zyth=-

I think its very very sad that phraktos are haemoraging members now they took this brave step, proof that it was never going to be in the interests of any of the 3 to break off.

Very sad.

[Recluse]

Phraktos have done their bit, let's just hope Mistu don't join the wrong side for a one way war.

Join the wrong side? You call an alliance who declares war, goes to bed, then watches their players delete/get cnutted the right side?

[god113]

*smiles* Yay I got a reply.

I meant in terms of a fair fight and with stagnation in mind. I mean, FM kill P easy, where's the fun..

[Exode]

Originally Posted by Kjeldoran

Lokken, do you honnestly believe they declared a war cause they wanted to make this a better round for the other alliances? They did it to become #1.
What positive moves could we have made anyway Lokken? backstab our allies?

Are you daft? Of course they want to win. You dont win silver you lose gold.
And mistu, fcuks sake bronze is like the worst thing ever... I'd rather be 10 than 3
Do something dont just sit there with your arms far up your ****hole

[god113]

Originally Posted by The_Fish

heh decent fight? they've already lost, heh.

You will have to excuse me for not knowing details of what is going on, but you get the idea of my reply, was just a tad late I mean, if I had said 'Mistu should go with Phraktos' before ownage, then it would be accurate. Okay, whatever *runs away*

[Helix]

Wow, I think this little stint phraktos has started has shown the true quality of them as an alliance. It is understood that they might lose some members when going into a war like this...but I mean, come on, they have lost damn near 15 members in a night. That is just sad. While I still think that Mistu really doesn't have a spine and is basically acting as lap dog to FAnG, I think they have much more of a spine than phraktos. Declaring war is all well and good, but then deleting and quitting etc... that is just bad

[Dark-Strider]

tbh this is to little to late.
There is no way they can make a difference now.
if they had done this say 2-3 weeks ago then maybe they would have stood a chance, as some of the enemie alliiances might have still been alive.
Phraktos just did this so they can pretend to be the honourable alliance who split up the block, oh and to attempt to get #1.

[mazzelaar]

Y'all need to get a grip on this "honour" and "backstabbing" crap. It's a fkin war game, who gives a rats ass who's hitting who as long as get some action :P

[JonnyBGood]

This game is a ****ing joke. It's no longer even a game.

[Lord Angmar]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

If you are so honourable and such saints for breaking up this evil block, why did you suddenly do it, instead of giving a 24 hour notice before launching any fleets? That (I thought) was standard practice, an unofficial rule in PA. This rubbish about "FAnG are going to backstab us!!11" - who told you that? Some banter in a public channel? Come on. They're #1, they don't need to backstab you. You however...

Oh wah wah wah, omg the nasty ally is attacking us, and didnt give us warning!!

honestly, do you expect "war" to be all nice, happy days and free flowers for all ?? Though this is a game, i thought the idea of a war was to win it, not to pander to the opposing forces.

[Leshy]

Originally Posted by Lord Angmar

i thought the idea of a war was to win it

Tell that to the Phraktos planets deleting themselves. Including thread starter Krush.

[Sar'Khanem'Nor]

It was clear that this would happen throughout the whole round. Phraktos showed often enough that they were not trustable, and they made it obvious enough for us to expect it. Yet i dont see the sense in them doing so. Now they finally have shown their true face in public - and they fall. So if they were up to winning at all costs they now have shown their inability to do so in spite of them backstabbing FAnG. With this late and senseless declaration they prepared their own death. I consider this is what they have earned, cause in contrast to my previous speakers i dont like the easiest way: i think honour and trust are thoughts which one can easily drop, but without some people believing in them pa would be nothing but a game for sneaky children. pa has reached a level where it not only costs money, but also a huge amount of peoples time. a game played with such motivation needs to follow certain rules, even unwritten ones which the community made up. finally they will lose this round - not only from the moral aspect.

[Dark-Strider]

mmm well Fang + Mistu have benifited well out of this.

#1 and #2 respectively.

and Phraktos have dropped to #3.

/me wonders if Mistu will go for #1 spot ( Don't be stupid!)

[Sar'Khanem'Nor]

and Phraktos have dropped to #3....


if you would take a look at universe screen before posting you would see that this is not correct at the current point of time.

[lokken]

booo at Phraktos being carp

:((((

[Tomkat]

I can't believe some of these posts.

Some of you actually consider Phraktos some saintly alliance, here to promote fair play and reduce stagnation? Come ON! Do you really believe that was the reason they declared war (then launched 2 minutes later) ?

They did it because they are not content with second place. FAnG are superior (as much as AD hates them) and are in #1. And Phraktos didn't like it.

Those who are going "well done phraktos, you've saved the round!!11" are terrible naive. Read between the lines. Think about it for more than a second.The supposed intel about FAnG wanting to backstab is rubbish - they'd have nothing to gain by it. Phraktos however, have everything to gain by it.

Anyway, it looks like the round has been decided. Phraktos has given up, less than 24 hours after declaring war. FAnG have gained that long-awaited #1 spot that they have been trying for rounds to get, and MISTU - the new alliance - has gained #2. I'm MISTU and I'm very happy with that. We are less than 6 months old, and yet are a top alliance.

But hey - let's not count our chickens. There's still 2 more weeks.

[Fyodor]

Phrak made a good move no matter the motives or the timing in the round. Would have been a fun 2 weeks. To bad they went to sleep after they launched.

[Fyodor]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I MISTU - the new alliance - has gained #2. I'm MISTU and I'm very happy with that. We are less than 6 months old, and yet are a top alliance.

Mistu are a bunch of awsome players and will be a force to be reckoned with for a long while. Great round guys.

lo sven

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

I can't believe some of these posts.
Anyway, it looks like the round has been decided. Phraktos has given up, less than 24 hours after declaring war. FAnG have gained that long-awaited #1 spot that they have been trying for rounds to get, and MISTU - the new alliance - has gained #2. I'm MISTU and I'm very happy with that. We are less than 6 months old, and yet are a top alliance.

But hey - let's not count our chickens. There's still 2 more weeks.

Indeed, Mistu has gained #2 but not really through much effort on their part. You have good players yes, but you have hardly been tested whatsoever this round. Its extremely hard to rate you until you've actually come under abit of pressure.

Phraktos are just s***

But anyway, will Mistu actually show themselves as a top alliance next round? Or are you going to enter the round with the only other currently powerful alliance in the game?

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Indeed, Mistu has gained #2 but not really through much effort on their part.

Since when has that been reason for not having claim to a top position in the game? Our opponents had ample opportunity to strike back - just because we dominated early isn't cause to say it's undeserved (I know I'm twisting your words here, but that is how I interpreted your post).

r7 Fury hardly had it hard, they claimed top
r8 Titans/LDK claimed top, they had it relatively easy too as the round was random (LDK loves those random rounds...)
r9 ET won in the end, but I wouldn't say it was a particularly difficult round either for us
r9.5 LDK won (lol free planets, gotta love LDK and their farms/multis) - not difficult as people were still knackered after round 9.
r10 Ely won - heh - i won't even comment on that

[Chika]

funny, people coaxed Phraktos into thier death. Out witted them to fight FAnG for no reason. Now that they are dead. You see people now trying to turn Mistu. Come on dudes. Let it go....

[Shaithess]

IMO, those Phraktos members who actually do stay to fight against the odds, and DON'T delete at the first sign of uncovered incs, deserve all the respect they get. Those who deleted or quit so quickly though, have lost my respect (I understand some who would have swapped sides because of decent reasons, but to delete because of incs? Pffft).

However, this almost instantaneous destruction of Phraktos does, however, show that FAnG/MISTU haven't had a tough time at all... Phraktos had an average higher score than MISTU, yet this was clearly not because they were the best alliance out there, but because of the ease with which the FPM(W) powerblock was able to obliterate its opponents, who it massively outnumbered, one by one. Phraktos as a whole were clearly not prepared for a proper war, and if only alliances like ND had have seen the huge advantages FPM had at the beginning and joined the other side, then perhaps this round would have been fun

[ND]Gate... Some random pe0n

[Gerbie]

Originally Posted by Shaithess

... , then perhaps this round would have been fun

That Implies this round wasn't fun. I had fun this round. There were plenty of roids available through the way free planets were set up. Even with my tiny planet I could make a significant contribution in attacks against top gals and planets, both in attacks (though we hardly ever landed there) and defence (we could cover a lot there).
The political situation was fun. All that complaining and whining on these boards is just a means to try and get FMP(W) to split. Which happened (as always).
My tiny alliance did well and so did a lot of other smaller alliances (my compliments to Valhala!).
Ofcourse there was room for improvement too, but this forum is not for that.

[Helix]

hmmm, I wonder if there are any people left in phraktos that have any power over the ingame alliance tag, would be funny if there are no people left with any power over that.

[Ferox]

Wonderful move by wonderful HC )

[TheACE]

lets start playing again then

[Neferti]

HC can't quit without leaving another HC behind. in other words, for there to be no power over the phraktos tag, every single member would have to leave it...

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Tomkat

Since when has that been reason for not having claim to a top position in the game? Our opponents had ample opportunity to strike back - just because we dominated early isn't cause to say it's undeserved (I know I'm twisting your words here, but that is how I interpreted your post).

r7 Fury hardly had it hard, they claimed top
r8 Titans/LDK claimed top, they had it relatively easy too as the round was random (LDK loves those random rounds...)
r9 ET won in the end, but I wouldn't say it was a particularly difficult round either for us
r9.5 LDK won (lol free planets, gotta love LDK and their farms/multis) - not difficult as people were still knackered after round 9.
r10 Ely won - heh - i won't even comment on that

You missed my point Mr TomKat.

r7 was much harder than this round for Fury. (We actually have some opposition for starters. You got pushed for defence for one night this entire round didn't you?) And r9, well the fact there were three wars goes to speak volumes for this one - perhaps the first two werent exactly fair (more due to Vvomm's inability to organize), but the third was most definately more difficult for Eclipse/ToT. All in all I would say the alliances in those rounds worked a damn lot harder.

But you already know this really. B for Effort though.

[LB|away]

funny outcome
you talk about phraktos planet that are staying phraktos while krush the one that wanted this war for over a month now deleted hisself....

Phraktos have been played, they bought it, they fell.

Phraktos was the worst alliance ever.. noone cared about anything but their own planets.
Pity they had to fall for people telling them FAnG would backstab them. and that mistu was prolly staying with FAnG

From what some of us discussed we all know that it is bullshit, FAnG has been very easy and gentle on Phraktos and still they try to take FAnG on instead of Finishing the round and try again in rnd 11.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by virogenesis

What if FAnG wanted mistu to have second spot wouldn't that give FAnG a reason to backstab Phraktos afterall its public knowledge that FAnG & Mistu will be working together next round

When was this decided and why wasn't I notified?

Originally Posted by Legator

GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS GO PHRAKTOS

i hope all others join you !!!

There won't be anything left of the universe.

Originally Posted by Helix

Adastra : You really dont have a right to whine that phraktos did not give you "enough warning" before attacking. Whether the agreement that FPM had with WP was "official" or not, there was still a NAP of sorts. And WP didn't get any notice at all, we had to have sources come tell us a few hours before the first waves that war was coming. At least Phraktos said they were going to war (and since you obviously sided with FAnG I would think it would be pretty obvious that they would be at war with you too)

There was a gentleman's agreement of mutual avoidance. When WP were party to an (unsuccessful) many-wave attack on ada's and my own galaxy MISTU took this as WP wishing to no longer honour the agreement. Personally I have many friendship ties with WP, but you can't mix business with pleasure.

Originally Posted by Helix

Wow, I think this little stint phraktos has started has shown the true quality of them as an alliance. It is understood that they might lose some members when going into a war like this...but I mean, come on, they have lost damn near 15 members in a night. That is just sad. While I still think that Mistu really doesn't have a spine and is basically acting as lap dog to FAnG, I think they have much more of a spine than phraktos. Declaring war is all well and good, but then deleting and quitting etc... that is just bad

Acting as a lapdog? What do you know of MISTU-FAnG relations?

Originally Posted by Zh|l

Indeed, Mistu has gained #2 but not really through much effort on their part. You have good players yes, but you have hardly been tested whatsoever this round. Its extremely hard to rate you until you've actually come under abit of pressure.

You know how hard it is to get a new alliance off the ground Zhil. Unlike Eclipse, MISTU did not inherit any sort of memberbase. Our struggle may not have been a military one, but to say we didn't put in effort I find disappointing.

[Desse]

Originally Posted by RealJames

Personally I have many friendship ties with WP, but you can't mix business with pleasure.

And I just thought, it was a game.

[Rudmer]

Originally Posted by Gerbie

And now ofc you expect us to be thankfull for living up the game? I have almost no ships and 200 roids. Half my galaxy has quit or went inactive by now. It's a little late to backstab only now.

/me laughs about Gerbie

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by RealJames

You know how hard it is to get a new alliance off the ground Zhil. Unlike Eclipse, MISTU did not inherit any sort of memberbase. Our struggle may not have been a military one, but to say we didn't put in effort I find disappointing.

You don't expect people to believe that do you? Mistu were hardly built from the ground up this round. You already had many bonds already forged and a core membership. When Eclipse disbanded, that helped you even more.

Also, I think you misunderstand my point really. I know very well that you and adastra have put effort into Mistu, but is hardly a great achievement considering the easy ride you've had.

[Tomkat]

Originally Posted by Zh|l

You don't expect people to believe that do you? Mistu were hardly built from the ground up this round. You already had many bonds already forged and a core membership. When Eclipse disbanded, that helped you even more.

It was built from the ground-up actually Zhil. You weren't around at the beginning of the round, so don't presume to claim you know what happened. The people in mistu private channels when it started were those who knew each other in real life. We took in players from all areas. It wasn't a case of going "now Fury is disbanded, fancy coming to Eclipse where all your friends will be?".

In a round where the number of new players is minimal, and most others are settled nicely into their own alliances, a new alliance is difficult to forge. Phraktos took mainly ex-Dragons, but MISTU had no core to draw from. Eclipse only disbanded a week or two before this round started.

[lokken]

Isn't MISTU some kind of 'wing' of some shape

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by lokken

Isn't MISTU some kind of 'wing' of some shape

MISTU was a group of players playing in either a private galaxy or a battle group on the Fury/Eclipse side since R4.

At the end of R10 adastra, Fork and myself decided to leave Eclipse and run MISTU as an alliance in its own right.