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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Rumad
If you weekend [sic] out all the cheats PA would have no paying players (not enough to play a round).
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The #1 reason I and several others quit playing PA was not being able to stomach all the cheating that surrounded us anymore. Seems like a case of chicken/egg to me. You say getting rid of the cheaters would kill PA. The playerbase is self-selecting. When the non-cheaters quit out of disgust, all you have left is cheaters. I hope they are all enjoying wallowing in their own filth. The protestations I'm seeing (in my insomniac state) of "degrees of cheating" are especially amusing.
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12 May 2004, 05:17
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
Cheating should be looked at by PA-Team from an mathematical standpoint, because they aren't the church, they aren't going to be able to dictate morality to their playerbase.
Is R * P > B
R = Risk of Being Caught (in %)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
Now B is a very high value, no matter what units you measure it in. Cheating can be a very nice way to make it to the top quickly and easily. Its seductive, I mean that extra 4 hours of sleep before your big final tomorrow when your alliance mates can just take your login and keep you sorted. Whatever, the Benefits are well known and quite large.
However P isn't that high. So you get deleted. You're out a fiver, and the planet you never could have had trying to hold down a job, go to school and keep the girlfriend happy is gone too. P can't really be increased much beyond deletion by PA-Team. Only loss of reputation and possibly alliance membership could jack that up a bit.
And R is also pretty low historically speaking. I mean really, PA-Team has all this development to do, and deleting people is always such a negative action, people complaining and moaning, and another paying player is gone, and besides, its so hard to get proof. Can't we all just get along?
So there is the problem. Except for people who know they'll be caught, or people who have a lot to lose (Top 10 comes to mind), the only reason you wouldn't take the greater benefit over risk of being caught is your own morality. Considering that this is just a game in a fictional space run from a fictional country (Who really believes in Norway anyway?) its not too surprising that people cheat.
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12 May 2004, 07:49
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Join Date: Dec 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Cayl
Cheating should be looked at by PA-Team from an mathematical standpoint, because they aren't the church, they aren't going to be able to dictate morality to their playerbase.
Is R * P > B
R = Risk of Being Caught (in %)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
Now B is a very high value, no matter what units you measure it in. Cheating can be a very nice way to make it to the top quickly and easily. Its seductive, I mean that extra 4 hours of sleep before your big final tomorrow when your alliance mates can just take your login and keep you sorted. Whatever, the Benefits are well known and quite large.
However P isn't that high. So you get deleted. You're out a fiver, and the planet you never could have had trying to hold down a job, go to school and keep the girlfriend happy is gone too. P can't really be increased much beyond deletion by PA-Team. Only loss of reputation and possibly alliance membership could jack that up a bit.
And R is also pretty low historically speaking. I mean really, PA-Team has all this development to do, and deleting people is always such a negative action, people complaining and moaning, and another paying player is gone, and besides, its so hard to get proof. Can't we all just get along?
So there is the problem. Except for people who know they'll be caught, or people who have a lot to lose (Top 10 comes to mind), the only reason you wouldn't take the greater benefit over risk of being caught is your own morality. Considering that this is just a game in a fictional space run from a fictional country (Who really believes in Norway anyway?) its not too surprising that people cheat.
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..just wanted to add a factor to that equation
Is R * P > B + P
R = Risk of Being Caught (in %)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
P = Propability of getting closed without legal cause
Until today the PA crew did not manage to announce a list of illegal actions and - what`s even more important - clear definitions of what exactly is defined as "farming"
Basically its up to the multihunter to decide whether to close a planet or not and the clearance of their decisions is basically a huge gray area.
Multihunters use arbiters of ingame-alliances and get "supported" (you could also call that "influenced") by players who want to harm other alliances.
Imho its absolutly not acceptable one player getting closed and another one not even getting molested for the same action...
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12 May 2004, 09:46
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th0ng gimp
Join Date: Feb 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Parthos
The #1 reason I and several others quit playing PA was not being able to stomach all the cheating that surrounded us anymore. Seems like a case of chicken/egg to me. You say getting rid of the cheaters would kill PA. The playerbase is self-selecting. When the non-cheaters quit out of disgust, all you have left is cheaters. I hope they are all enjoying wallowing in their own filth. The protestations I'm seeing (in my insomniac state) of "degrees of cheating" are especially amusing.
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My argument isnt to stop getting rid of cheaters, just the majority of pa universe have broken the rules. Believing anything other than this is naive.
It is chicken and the egg, but what do you do when you have a game of 200 planets because you have weeded out the bad apples (account sharers, farmers, escorters etc)? Cheating will always exist and as for wallowing in your own philth - i don't cheat, i still pa and i have fun - am i big? Nah - but at least i am still here for my mates
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12 May 2004, 09:49
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th0ng gimp
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by LEFF|pm
..just wanted to add a factor to that equation
Is R * P > B + P
R = Risk of Being Caught (in %)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
P = Propability of getting closed without legal cause
Until today the PA crew did not manage to announce a list of illegal actions and - what`s even more important - clear definitions of what exactly is defined as "farming"
Basically its up to the multihunter to decide whether to close a planet or not and the clearance of their decisions is basically a huge gray area.
Multihunters use arbiters of ingame-alliances and get "supported" (you could also call that "influenced") by players who want to harm other alliances.
Imho its absolutly not acceptable one player getting closed and another one not even getting molested for the same action...
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In that caseyou have to add in te variable of constancy of decision and indeed whether the hunter has formd any personal viewon the individual caught and waht evidence is presented and any precedent set from previous rounds.
Looks like its gonna be a complicated equation.
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12 May 2004, 21:03
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
Leff, your reusing the same letter for a new variable aside ...
I don't think thats how that would factor into that particular equation. In any case, it is unacceptable that on its 11th hosting of the game, PA-Team wouldn't have a set of rules that everyone clearly understands and precedents that can be followed. I think the rules are fairly clear and introduce some white areas and black areas. Now the task becomes to narrow that large grey band between them down a bit.
However, like it or not, no rule enforcement in the world is able to totally consistently apply the rules unless the Risk of being caught is 100% in all circumstances. Its not realistic to think that PA Team can achieve this. Their goal is to make it sufficiently high that the left side of my original equation becomes greater than the right side.
Until the risk of being caught is 100%, multihunters will find out about things when people bring greater scrutiny on themselves. If you enter the top 100, 50, 10, then people will start looking at you closely. If you attack a major alliance, they're going to have the resources to thoroughly scan you and the experience to know what they're seeing. Once you're under this scrutiny, its only logical that multihunters will follow up.
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12 May 2004, 21:15
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Cayl
Cheating should be looked at by PA-Team from an mathematical standpoint, because they aren't the church, they aren't going to be able to dictate morality to their playerbase.
Is R * P > B
R = Risk of Being Caught (in %)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
Now B is a very high value, no matter what units you measure it in. Cheating can be a very nice way to make it to the top quickly and easily. Its seductive, I mean that extra 4 hours of sleep before your big final tomorrow when your alliance mates can just take your login and keep you sorted. Whatever, the Benefits are well known and quite large.
However P isn't that high. So you get deleted. You're out a fiver, and the planet you never could have had trying to hold down a job, go to school and keep the girlfriend happy is gone too. P can't really be increased much beyond deletion by PA-Team. Only loss of reputation and possibly alliance membership could jack that up a bit.
And R is also pretty low historically speaking. I mean really, PA-Team has all this development to do, and deleting people is always such a negative action, people complaining and moaning, and another paying player is gone, and besides, its so hard to get proof. Can't we all just get along?
So there is the problem. Except for people who know they'll be caught, or people who have a lot to lose (Top 10 comes to mind), the only reason you wouldn't take the greater benefit over risk of being caught is your own morality. Considering that this is just a game in a fictional space run from a fictional country (Who really believes in Norway anyway?) its not too surprising that people cheat.
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Your equation's wrong. It should be:
Is R * P > B * (1-R)
R = Likelihood of Being Caught (as a decimal from 0 to 1 - i.e. % chance/100)
P = Cost of Punishment
B = Benefit of Cheating
Otherwise the equation doesn't reflect the fact that the right-hand side of the equation should be 0 if getting caught is a certainty.
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12 May 2004, 21:18
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
You raise an excellent point Sid.
The main problem is that (1-R) for most planets is so close to 1 (ie the risk of getting caught is almost 0).
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12 May 2004, 22:04
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Cayl
You raise an excellent point Sid.
The main problem is that (1-R) for most planets is so close to 1 (ie the risk of getting caught is almost 0).
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Actually, to be very pedantic about the equation, R should be the PERCEIVED risk of being caught (as opposed to the actual likelihood). That may seem a very petty distinction, but in fact it has a lot of relevance to one of the more effective ways of addressing the problem:
A name and shame campaign - where caught cheaters were named on these boards for everyone to mock and laugh at - could have the double benefit of increasing both R and P.
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13 May 2004, 00:17
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
If you browse backwards Sid, I wrote about that 1 or 2 rounds ago.
Even Maddix understood I was correct.
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13 May 2004, 10:41
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
I have another thing FAnG could be famous for!
Being unable to read arbiters correctly, and hit their allies. Then getting arsy when the ally hit gets annoyed about it all.
At least now we know how the currently ranked #11 player got to his position - by attacking allies who didn't bother to get defence because they assumed he wasn't stupid enough to land. Heh.
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13 May 2004, 10:54
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a simple pe0n
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
and when will you get them back m8 im still waiting to defend
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13 May 2004, 10:57
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
Dunno, I've given up caring about a few roids.
It's laughable how little respect the FAnG members have for their command though.
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13 May 2004, 10:59
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a simple pe0n
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
its laughable that you are still crying about your roids when you said yesterday you would just drop it and you didnt care cause you didnt play actively anyway cause you only played for your alliance
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13 May 2004, 11:08
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Join Date: Nov 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
Mistu and FAnG are the best of friends \o/
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mazzelaar has always reminded me of a hungry hungry hippo. Except instead of eating marbles he just bites the heads off new AD posters
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13 May 2004, 11:17
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Waku
its laughable that you are still crying about your roids when you said yesterday you would just drop it and you didnt care cause you didnt play actively anyway cause you only played for your alliance
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomkat
Dunno, I've given up caring about a few roids.
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What?
Incidentally mazz (et al), this isn't MISTU's opinion - it's my own. Until FAnG can control a few of their members/officers though, they won't get much respect from me. Not that that's really all that important, as a lot of people don't respect them anyway.
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13 May 2004, 11:21
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
Incidentally mazz (et al), this isn't MISTU's opinion - it's my own. Until FAnG can control a few of their members/officers though, they won't get much respect from me. Not that that's really all that important, as a lot of people don't respect them anyway.
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bah - there you go getting my hopes up again. you're such a tease
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13 May 2004, 11:40
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by mazzelaar
bah - there you go getting my hopes up again. you're such a tease
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It's how you like it really :P
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13 May 2004, 12:10
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a simple pe0n
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
What?
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why do you keep bringing it up then?
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13 May 2004, 12:32
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th0ng gimp
Join Date: Feb 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
arbier infringments are never as simple as they seem. Heartless, Irv and LB are the active hc mmbers and they have the respect needed - if you have any issues talk to them.
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13 May 2004, 12:36
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Waku
why do you keep bringing it up then?
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Because FAnG should have more control over their members. An alliance with renegade members, even if it is rank 1, isn't much of an alliance.
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13 May 2004, 14:37
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
So some FAnG member landed on a MISTU officer eh? Hardly surprising really. I mean does anyone honestly expect MISTU to declare war over a silly little thing like getting roided by their allies?
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13 May 2004, 19:30
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
So some FAnG member landed on a MISTU officer eh? Hardly surprising really. I mean does anyone honestly expect MISTU to declare war over a silly little thing like getting roided by their allies?
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I'd advice you to only comment when you have either talked to Tomkat or to the FAnGers in question or when you know enough about how and what ...
Becides, breaking an ally on 1 incident end of the round when everything is played already is rather silly imo.
Didn't think Tomkat should have gone to AD with this ...
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13 May 2004, 20:09
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
Didn't think Tomkat should have gone to AD with this ...
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And I don't think the FAnGers who basically laughed at their command and alliance policy should have got away with it. But we don't always get what we want.
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13 May 2004, 20:14
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
And I don't think the FAnGers who basically laughed at their command and alliance policy should have got away with it. But we don't always get what we want.
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You expected something else from them?
Be honest :/
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13 May 2004, 20:49
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
And I don't think the FAnGers who basically laughed at their command and alliance policy should have got away with it. But we don't always get what we want.
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I haven't got a clue what happend, but I have a funny feeling this might be a precedent for interesting things to come.
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
And I don't think the FAnGers who basically laughed at their command and alliance policy should have got away with it. But we don't always get what we want.
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I don't approve what our members did, yet I still think you shouldn't have gone to AD with it. Every issue FAnG and MISTU had this round (not many) were solved internally. I don't see why this one is different.
Then again I'm not an HC so I'd have done things differently but that doesn't matter.
Zhil, could you for once grow up and stop giving smart remarks which basicly do nothing else then insulting other alliances. It doesn't suit a person who used to post objective info but kinda took a different way lately ...
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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to LEFF, nice Lies about Saeder Krupp, I knew some pple in there but luckily they never had to fight us
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Hi KJ btw
Im no PA Player (not anymore) and I dont really want to take part in this discussion. I have only one favor to ask: Pls dont believe in stories fang tells u bout us. 90% of them are lies. Thats all
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Hi KJ btw
Im no PA Player (not anymore) and I dont really want to take part in this discussion. I have only one favor to ask: Pls dont believe in stories fang tells u bout us. 90% of them are lies. Thats all
greetz
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I was talking about Saeder Krupp back in the days I played Neocron aswell. Like over a year ago or something. At that time you were not part of that clan m8.
LEFF, you shouldn't allow your brother to talk aswell
nice seeing you though, n1n3
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
i browse thru every few days or so, happen up upon this thread started by zhil. as usually Zhil has some amusing threads to read
anyway i found this to be entirely amusing.
each person that has posted here should really ask themselves this 1 question.....
how many PA players have never 1 time EVER logged into another planet to launch a fleet for someone, to use as a defense fleet for yourself, ever made a farm planet to get the precious E roids, to use as a spy planet on another alliance and the list can go on and on.....
cheating has been rampant in PA since it started, and will only continue to do so. the best ones simply dont get caught.
alliances can only police themselves so far, and i know for a fact that many alliance leaders in the past have taken a blind eye approach to alot of it as those were usually high ranked planets involved in the cheating.
there is no moral high ground to be gotten here, no alliance is clean as snow, every last 1 of them has some rotten apples in it, so really this thread is not so useful.
just try your best to do the right thing and things will work out, but if you take the blind eye approach and it burns you, just take the heat and move on. LDK did a marvelous job of PR damage control each round, as have other alliances heh.
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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arbier infringments are never as simple as they seem. Heartless, Irv and LB are the active hc mmbers and they have the respect needed - if you have any issues talk to them.
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Out of interest how many HC have FAnG gone through?
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r7: LEFF, Lockhead, TU, Hinch, Rumad, (Leinad as interim) and Kjeldoran
r8: LEFF, Lockhead, Rumad (just a few weeks), (Leinas as interim), Cray and Kjeldoran
r9: Irvine, LB, Acidrain, Benneton
r9.5: not sure, the same as r9 I think
r10: Webangel, Irvine, LEFF, Morden and Kjeldoran
r10.5: LB, Irvine, Alch and later on Heartless
so 16 different HC's throughout 6 rounds, if I'm not mistaking.
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9 Jun 2004, 13:03
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Toyboy
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov
With the attitude to cheating Forest seems to have, why did he join FAnG??
(since the section deletions of reborn were as long back as r3, Im forgetting them for now )
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Do you just bitch and moan on P l a n e t i a and Planetarion AD or is it a general trend? Or are you just here while pia boards are down like me?
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9 Jun 2004, 13:05
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#134
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Toyboy
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by xtothez
Personally I love the logic:
Fang member: "No fang member has cheated"
Bystander: "What about xxx? He was closed"
Fang member: "Yes but he was kicked from fang, therefore no fang member has cheated"
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For the record i have no idea if someone in FAnG cheated as i haven't been around but closed doesn't mean cheated. It's suspicion thereof.
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10 Jun 2004, 00:38
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Band of Brothers
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
imo FAnG should drop stickdeath, he really doesnt fit in with the image any alliance wants tbh, he is a lose cannon.
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10 Jun 2004, 01:14
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I see you!
Join Date: Sep 2002
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Mav
imo FAnG should drop stickdeath, he really doesnt fit in with the image any alliance wants tbh, he is a lose cannon.
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I actually like him
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10 Jun 2004, 01:23
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Angels for life !
Join Date: Jul 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Mav
imo FAnG should drop stickdeath, he really doesnt fit in with the image any alliance wants tbh, he is a lose cannon.
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If sickdeath doesn't fit in, then sure I don't either. Ironicly I founded FAnG, don't you think that'd be weird then?
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10 Jun 2004, 08:42
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Registered User
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
If sickdeath doesn't fit in, then sure I don't either. Ironicly I founded FAnG, don't you think that'd be weird then?
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10 Jun 2004, 12:51
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: London, UK
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Kjeldoran
If sickdeath doesn't fit in, then sure I don't either. Ironicly I founded FAnG, don't you think that'd be weird then?
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Not at all KJ - you're a nice guy. SD is a loose cannon, as Mav said. He's also socially inept.
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10 Jun 2004, 14:58
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Band of Brothers
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Tomkat
Not at all KJ - you're a nice guy. SD is a loose cannon, as Mav said. He's also socially inept.
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very true, you and benneton were my favourite people in fang when I was there, but stickdeath is well, weird tbh, Im sure he said he was very ill also just to get a higher rank and to get people feeling sorry for him.
Everytime I got into an argument with him, it was like, look im ill, i could die in a few days, blah blah blah, but somehow he magically recovered from it.
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10 Jun 2004, 18:19
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Angels for life !
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
erm, very little you pple know, that's all I will say about this ...
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18 Jun 2004, 17:40
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The Face Of Evil
Join Date: Nov 2001
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Mav
very true, you and benneton were my favourite people in fang when I was there, but stickdeath is well, weird tbh, Im sure he said he was very ill also just to get a higher rank and to get people feeling sorry for him.
Everytime I got into an argument with him, it was like, look im ill, i could die in a few days, blah blah blah, but somehow he magically recovered from it.
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Strange that, personally I always liked him, but then again ive always been a bit of a loose cannon myself.
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20 Jun 2004, 12:08
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Goddess
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Australia
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
I love this......a few rounds ago all the flaming would have been about Dingo and NoS, or maybe Fury or even legion.
Now that Dingo is absent and the other alliances ceased to exsist it seems FAnG is the new scapegoat or'toy' to be attacked and flamed.
Nothing changes does it. [ no question mark as it is a rhetorical ]
/me goes back to having a good laugh and the notion of 'cheaters'
Thanks for making my Sunday night a little brighter with the humour guys
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20 Jun 2004, 15:13
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#144
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Band of Brothers
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: England
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
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Originally Posted by Hathor
I love this......a few rounds ago all the flaming would have been about Dingo and NoS, or maybe Fury or even legion.
Now that Dingo is absent and the other alliances ceased to exsist it seems FAnG is the new scapegoat or'toy' to be attacked and flamed.
Nothing changes does it. [ no question mark as it is a rhetorical ]
/me goes back to having a good laugh and the notion of 'cheaters'
Thanks for making my Sunday night a little brighter with the humour guys
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Nah I like FAnG tbh, I just think SickDeath lies to much and is a loose cannon, just my opinion though, which has seemed to of been backed up by people I don't know either???
<Random Person> Hey your post on sd was so right an funny!!
<mav> who are you again?
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21 Jun 2004, 16:12
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U've been Moderated
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: getting sex0red by pretty women
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Re: Second thing FAnG are famous for
hmmm only read first page and a half or something... i'm just wondering about a few things...
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Originally Posted by Rumad
How do you ban someone in an anonymous world?
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i think you let killmark in your alliance sometime? (rounds back) i might be wrong... but he turned cheating into an art basically..
and about some eclipse/fury people saying they took in gozu/ouzo (ldk kinda group) isn't that quite lame aswell? seeing as you did take in LOADS of LDK players aswell in round 9 i think. but then they served eclipse, so suddenly they weren't cheaters...? ofc those same guys were cheaters again in round 9.5 when they whooped your arses:/
same goes for quite a bit of other alliances btw...
i don't mind 'a bit' of cheating tbh... as sooooooo many people do it.. it's just when it's done ALWAYS when it's really annoying like with for example meddy. i doubt he has ever actually been able to finish a planetarion or ******** round at all. yet he can still get an alliance if he wants too.... THOSE people should be refused by any alliance tbh. and in that matter i think fang is really really lame aswell yes.
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