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deleting threads
about your idea of a political party is bad. especially if someone wastes 10 minutes writing something and then realizes the thread is gone 
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Post it anyway.
Infact, download his site, put it on the net (i'll host it for you if you want) and then continue the discussion without him.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:34
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2 Aug 2003, 19:34
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my text was gone when i pressed the back-button in the browser
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2 Aug 2003, 19:35
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Saying there's too many black people on TV isn't racist, it's fact.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:37
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my text was gone when i pressed the back-button in the browser
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Saying there's too many black people on TV isn't racist, it's fact.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:41
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so some mod deleted it for beeing racist?
can we just foregt about that rule? i seriously doubt anyone would get through with an argument about white people beeing superior to all others or something like that on this forum.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:47
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People should not be able to delete their own threads.
They should be preserved for history references!
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2 Aug 2003, 19:47
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No, just continuing the discussion. If you want to read more into my posts, perhaps he didn't like random accusations of racism coming from nowhere.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:49
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Its a long standing bone of contention. Nowadays , its very difficult to take any side other than that of integration and harmonisation , as the PC Mafia will promptly dub you Racist , which is a nasty tag, and near impossible to remove.
Unfortunately , that pretty much destroys all attempts to debate the subject. There is a middle ground to be found through a reasoned and logical debate. However attempting to have that debate here , in a forum which contains more spam than the entire warehouses of Walmart (in all its forms) is rather like attempting to replenish The Sea of Tranquility by taking a long piss.
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2 Aug 2003, 19:56
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Its a long standing bone of contention. Nowadays , its very difficult to take any side other than that of integration and harmonisation , as the PC Mafia will promptly dub you Racist , which is a nasty tag, and near impossible to remove.
Unfortunately , that pretty much destroys all attempts to debate the subject. There is a middle ground to be found through a reasoned and logical debate. However attempting to have that debate here , in a forum which contains more spam than the entire warehouses of Walmart (in all its forms) is rather like attempting to replenish The Sea of Tranquility by taking a long piss.
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2 Aug 2003, 20:01
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the PC Mafia will promptly dub you Racist , which is a nasty tag, and near impossible to remove.
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2 Aug 2003, 20:09
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No, just continuing the discussion. If you want to read more into my posts, perhaps he didn't like random accusations of racism coming from nowhere.
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2 Aug 2003, 20:14
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as i said in the thread we are talking about: either its somewhat racist or its political correct to the extreme. how about finding a middle way?
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2 Aug 2003, 20:18
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impossible, cause middle way depends of the ideologie of every single person.
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If you're too scared to post (or speak about) controversial views, it's probably not worth holding them.
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And i dont intend to defend the modding of that post, since i disagree with stifling debate simply because something is controversial.
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2 Aug 2003, 20:45
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and thanks to the people bombarding me with names, for the reason i use PA forums >< this much.
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You're going to find the real world rather difficult to cope with if you can't take some criticism of your ideas. Trawl the archives for various longer threads, on loads of them (from rants on"Why pet ownership is evil" to "Why land ownership is evil") my ideas are criticised and I end up opposed by everyone, but I still keep banging on thus lending them the veneer of legitimacy.
That's what it's all about.
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That was not what i would call a flame, and if you can't handle that much, i mean, sorry, but what?
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... but I still keep banging on thus lending them the veneer of legitimacy.
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thats the socialist approach isnt it? talk until everyone else gets tiered 
PS sorry, im really bored and had nothing usefull to say
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thats the socialist approach isnt it? talk until everyone else gets tiered
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impossible, cause middle way depends of the ideologie of every single person.
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then why not try to find a middle way for the society as a whole?
ofc it wont be perfect, but it will probably still be better than one of the extremes.
if you hit over the top with the whole political correctness, it will only cause more racism, because the people who are in the majority feel discriminated.
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if you hit over the top with the whole political correctness, it will only cause more racism, because the people who are in the majority feel discriminated.
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OK, the middle ground. Well, the PC folks let's say are 0% racist (if that's possible even for extremists!) and then extreme racists are 100% racist. So therefore the ideal ground should be 50% racism, right? 
This is not an issue of moderation. It's an issue of not being racist, and conversely not giving a toss about superficial issues (e.g. whether a flag has black in it or not). Having said that, I've never encountered a "truly" politically correct person, despite the constant rumours of their abundance. I've done politics as a subject of study, and also worked in the public sector and had "multiculturalism training". And even then, I did not meet one of these bogeymen. If they do exist then they are wrong, entirely.
I have however met many racists who have said things like "AIDS isn't killing blacks quickly enouch in Africa", "It's not their fault, it's the climate", "I'd get a house if I was black, wouldn't I?". And so on. These people are also entirely wrong.
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Quote:
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OK, the middle ground. Well, the PC folks let's say are 0% racist (if that's possible even for extremists!) and then extreme racists are 100% racist. So therefore the ideal ground should be 50% racism, right?
This is not an issue of moderation. It's an issue of not being racist, and conversely not giving a toss about superficial issues (e.g. whether a flag has black in it or not). Having said that, I've never encountered a "truly" politically correct person, despite the constant rumours of their abundance. I've done politics as a subject of study, and also worked in the public sector and had "multiculturalism training". And even then, I did not meet one of these bogeymen. If they do exist then they are wrong, entirely.
I have however met many racists who have said things like "AIDS isn't killing blacks quickly enouch in Africa", "It's not their fault, it's the climate", "I'd get a house if I was black, wouldn't I?". And so on. These people are also entirely wrong.
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my opinion is that everyone should be treated exactly the same. i see no need to give some people special benefits or have any desire to throw anyone out of the country.
like this 'quotation' of black people on some univesity in the us, such things do more harm than good.
(maybe i missunderstood what you people think of as political correctness)
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my opinion is that everyone should be treated exactly the same. i see no need to give some people special benefits or have any desire to throw anyone out of the country.
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I agree. haha, you agree with an evil communist you're obviously wrong!
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so was that thread deleted by mav or the mods?
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like this 'quotation' of black people on some univesity in the us, such things do more harm than good.
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OK, the middle ground. Well, the PC folks let's say are 0% racist (if that's possible even for extremists!) and then extreme racists are 100% racist. So therefore the ideal ground should be 50% racism, right?
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No, they hate minorities, and view them as being fundamentally different from (and often inferior to) 'whites'. To them, minorities are intrinsically 'weak', and have to be explicitly protected by the state. They promote policies which do nothing but cause harm to those they publically claim that they wish to help, and they take actions to promote collectivist 'racial cultures', again regardless of the detrimental effects they have upon the people who embrace them.
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Everyone is a racist, wether you admit it or not.
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PC folk would probably say, i'm not a racist because i think black people should have a fair start.
what they negelect to mention is the fact that people should earn things like scolarship into uni etc, rather than be given it because they have to fill spaces with blacks to make sure they dont look racist. as a result white folk who earned the position though years of hard work dont get the scolarship they need, even though they deserve it more.
the only way to have a completely un-racist world is to lose all laws on hate crime (you get GBH for beating up a white guy, wheras you get hate crime for beating up a black guy, hate crime has a far longer sentance than GBH, thats racism, aint it?) and similar things.
^this has been toned down so i dont seem like a neo-nazi, so flame away, you stupid left wing, pc morons, i'm waiting.^
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In the United Kingdom most "positive discrimination" is illegal under the race relations act. Also, charities cannot act in a "racist" manner (I think) -e.g. black man aid or something.
Political correctness is such a vague term I don't really see what merit can be gained from saying "PC people think this". Which people? When? Etc. The main use of the term "PC" I've seen is in silly condemenations from right-wingers fighting imaginary demons. "They want to change our flag!". Who does? Calm down, ffs, and take a pill.
As for promoting collectivist 'racial cultures', care to expand here?
Yes, there are a few idiots out there. And some of them undoubtedly condemn racist language, or terminology, or advocate policies you disagree with. But there is no PC movement, no PC ideology, I'm not even aware there's a PC book which outlines what these things are supposed to be.
I agree that "hate crimes" as a category should be abolished. However, white people can be victims of "hate crimes" too. The reason why categories like this exist is not primarily an issue of justice, it's one of utility (or management). For instance, the organisation I work for places disproportionately more resources into investigating/combating anti-social racist behaviour compared to just anti-social behaviour. Why? Not because they love the black man.
But if estates became scenes of racial tension then they get massively harder to let out (blacks won't live in some areas, non-gypsys won't live "on a pikey street" or whatever), and thus reduces our income in the long term. I'd imagine central government (the police, etc) have a similar logic.
Oh, and I'm racist certainly. I use racist terminology constantly, undoubtedly have my unconscious behaviour influenced by racist imagery, and am very culturally selective in what I enjoy. But I'm aware of it, and thus try to not let it affect my behaviour in matters where it counts (e.g. if I'm interviewing somebody).
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In the United Kingdom most "positive discrimination" is illegal under the race relations act. Also, charities cannot act in a "racist" manner (I think) -e.g. black man aid or something.
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Positive discrimination, as in, selecting representative proportions of employees and students? I'm sure I've heard plenty of Brits say they were best for the job but a black man stole their place. Is there no positive discrimination between the sexes, or between state and private-sector students?
edit: ok, I used Google. UK law rocks. \o/
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Everyone is a racist, wether you admit it or not.
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PC folk would probably say, i'm not a racist because i think black people should have a fair start.
what they negelect to mention is the fact that people should earn things like scolarship into uni etc, rather than be given it because they have to fill spaces with blacks to make sure they dont look racist. as a result white folk who earned the position though years of hard work dont get the scolarship they need, even though they deserve it more.
the only way to have a completely un-racist world is to lose all laws on hate crime (you get GBH for beating up a white guy, wheras you get hate crime for beating up a black guy, hate crime has a far longer sentance than GBH, thats racism, aint it?) and similar things.
^this has been toned down so i dont seem like a neo-nazi, so flame away, you stupid left wing, pc morons, i'm waiting.^
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One way to not be a racist is to realize that there is no such thing as races within the human species.
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Incidently i wouldnt say im racist like dante since i dont believe in my inherent superiority over anyone else, however i am, as everyone else is, prejudiced. IMO its unavoidable since it appears to be programmed into us to be suspicious/hostile to those who are different. Maybe my long lost ancestors used this as a defence mechanism to protect their tribe. The one really good thing about the internet is that it allows an opposing point of view to be considered more easily (this is why i prefer discussing complicated or controversial issues here, real life and internet chat rooms tend to degenerate into slanging matches as everyone tries to put the last word in*. This is less of a problem on forums, where you can at least have time to consider what is being said). So at least here if i have an open mind about things im given the oppurtunity to explore my prejudices/opinions.
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I intellectually "know" this, but I would still call certain attitudes I have, etc implicitly racist. If you want to be anal then yes we can rename it some kind of other prejudice.
Race is a completley unscientific pointless term, but useful in layman's discussions (a bit like the word "intelligent"). If someone says "That black guy sitting over there is really intelligent." I know what they mean - yet both the term "black" and "intelligent" are dubious at best.
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Race is a completley unscientific pointless term, but useful in layman's discussions (a bit like the word "intelligent"). If someone says "That black guy sitting over there is really intelligent." I know what they mean - yet both the term "black" and "intelligent" are dubious at best.
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this week was dull
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In fairness I don't think many of those people liked their own mothers so it's hardly surprising they're not exactly thrilled about foreigners.
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