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Unread 16 Apr 2007, 23:10   #1
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Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

heh, he could certainly have phrased it better but thats pretty impressive
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"Nevertheless, his choice of language was deeply insensitive," he added.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

Oh by the way, after the disgusting and unforgivable way that France conducted themselves in the 19th century, we should institute a blanket ban on anyone saying they like the Eiffel Tower or Thierry Henry.
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Roxy music were shit anyway, Phang. You heard.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

yeah, pab, the Eiffel Tower is to blame!!
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

It's a bit dodgy though, calling nazi iconography beautiful. I'd have thought he'd relate their image to what they actually did.
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presumably there was more to the interview than seen there, presumably on the subject of 20th century art history or such rather than "wasn't goebbels a lovely chap?" though.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

All the propoganda of that time, the colored recruiting posters, the uniforms, marching troops, soldiers jumping over trenches, bombers and fighters flying in formation, naval ship armadas, etc of Russian, German, Japanese, and American were really well done and inspirational.
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It's a bit dodgy though, calling nazi iconography beautiful. I'd have thought he'd relate their image to what they actually did.
Right, "The Nazi's were evil and therefore their marches were stupid, their art was ugly and all their ideas were dumb and no one should ever claim otherwise". Ignorant Jewish fundamentalists, I say we toss them all in one big bunker and gas them.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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All the propoganda of that time, the colored recruiting posters, the uniforms, marching troops, soldiers jumping over trenches, bombers and fighters flying in formation, naval ship armadas, etc of Russian, German, Japanese, and American were really well done and inspirational.
I would agree with that, but beauty, for me at least, involves meaning and context. I cannot separate art from what it represents.

But yeah, Phang's right, I'd need to know the context of the sentence.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

It's not the most intelligent thing to say in respected company - the real world does a Godwin as soon as the Nazis are mentioned at any time. That doesn't mean that he can't be right.
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I would agree with that, but beauty, for me at least, involves meaning and context. I cannot separate art from what it represents.

But yeah, Phang's right, I'd need to know the context of the sentence.
So, if you are not a Christian then all of the great art which is inspired by the Christian religion has no beauty? The Sistine Chapel ceiling without beauty? A piece of red cloth with a white circle and some staight lines could be beautiful even if those who chose to use it were not.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

I tend to oppose uniforms and indeed smartness/cleanliness on general principle, but I think it's generally considered that some of the nazi's get-up was rather swish. I see people in German uniforms quite often when out clubbing and they usually look OK.

Anyway...on the story at hand, I am increasingly of the opinion that 90% of the media is dedicated to trolling and if was a poster on the average internet forum would have been banned by now.

I'm not even talking about the more obviously trashy bits of the press (celebs, etc) which I have vowed to ignore. But almost every story seems to be posed and counterposed to annoy someone. So, we're not given the full context this guys remarks were made in (perhaps there's copyright restrictions meaning they can't do that, but that seems doubtful) - the net result being that undoubtedly some people would find it upsetting, or at least annoying. But then conversely the quotes from the various Heebs in the linked story aren't given context either - some guy is said to have told Reuters something or other, but in what circumstances?

Did he phone up reuters and demand they publish his views or he'd eat some Palestenian children, or did some journalist phone him up and say "Hey, some minor celeb who models for M&S said the nazi's iconography was fantastic. He also said he loved the smell of burnt Jew in the morning. What do you have to say about that, yiddo?". So the rent-a-quote guy has to give some general condemnation I suppose - "Erm...yeah that sounds pretty bad. I really wish people would stfu and not say thing like this."

Then Reuters publish "Jewish leaders extraordinary outburst against singer, free speech and Christians generally" or whatever to which Richard Littlejohn responds with a column entitled "When will Jew PC madness end - are British kids going to go to prison for playing war games?" or something equally nonsensical and then there's some stupid letters page somewhere which responds with "I think it's ridiculous that it's being suggested we imprison kids for playing a harmless game - and then some (hopefully false) letters appear insulting the letter writers mum and this bullshit goes on and on at every stage the "debate" (such as it is) is obscured and distorted to seem more explosive/exciting/inflammatory than it really is.

Oh well, I guess it keeps a few hacks employed.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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presumably there was more to the interview than seen there, presumably on the subject of 20th century art history or such rather than "wasn't goebbels a lovely chap?" though.

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So, if you are not a Christian then all of the great art which is inspired by the Christian religion has no beauty? The Sistine Chapel ceiling without beauty? A piece of red cloth with a white circle and some staight lines could be beautiful even if those who chose to use it were not.
To be fair, although Christianity has ****ed up quite a bit, it has done some good things. Nazism?
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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To be fair, although Christianity has ****ed up quite a bit, it has done some good things. Nazism?
the films of Leni Riefenstahl and the buildings of Albert Speer?
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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To be fair, although Christianity has ****ed up quite a bit, it has done some good things. Nazism?
Well Nazism has also done some good things, like getting rid of all those jews.
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Re: Adventures in the land of the thought police, episode 12

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the films of Leni Riefenstahl and the buildings of Albert Speer?
I'd call each person's work impressive, but not beautiful. My main qualm is his use of beautiful and the connotations the word brings. I would have thought most people differentiate between impressive/well-done and beautiful.
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