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[football] pig, explain me this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...la/5207620.stm

if Glazer payed about 800 million for Man u, and Abramovich payed +-130 million for Chelsea (in times of depression, even), then why is Villa only worth this little?
i thought they have quite a big history, nice stadium, huge fanbase etc? i don't see how Chelsea could have been more expensive.

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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Chelsea cost £60m or so, and most of that was the paying off of debt if memory serves. The reason Manchester United was so expensive was that it was a PLC.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that if Chelsea hadn't qualified for the Champions League in 2003 then Abramovich wouldn't have bought them although I don't know how accurate that is.
It's what was said at the time. Thomas Myhre is therefore solely responsible for getting Abramovich into English football, by costing Liverpool the points in our matches against them.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Also, last I checked, property in London is a tad more expensive than in Birmingham. Buying a PLC costs more because it's worth more, there being a difference between a big company (Man Utd) and small football team (Villa).

I know you wanted Pig to have to come on here and admit Villa are useless and therefore worthless, but that's only half true.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Chelsea was a PLC.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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Chelsea was a PLC.
Chelsea Village was (and is, as far as I know) a PLC. Chelsea FC itself wasn't and isn't.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Also Glazer needed a bigger stake in Man Utd from what i remember. Not sure of the mechanics of why that would be if anyone could enlighten?
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

i think because Man utd was a plc the stock market rules say you have to buy tsomething like 80% and then you can buy out the rest of the shares whether the share owner wants to sell them or not (something like that i think)
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Well Man utd is pretty much self explanatory.

Its a brand. The name alone is worth millions. The stadium, the fans, the trophies is all fantastic. Hence why its an expensive club to buy.

Chelsea isn't as clean cut. Sure they were "a top 4 club" but before abromovic took them they were never considered in the crust of the top 6 imo. The reason why Chelsea and London clubs as a whole are so desriable is that if you turn round to Shevchenko you can sell him London, but will have a hard time selling Birmingham. **** knows how Manchester is more glamorous than brum but it is apparently. Anyway London is just one of those cities along with paris, barcelona, milan and new york where its cool to live.

Champions League football also had something to do with it I guess.

What randy is buying is a bargain. One of the best youth academys in the country, a cracking ground circa 45,000 a ****ing loyal fanbase (we played shit last year 34,000 avg **** you chelsea you dont even sell out every game) a few decent players, bag loads of history, shit loads of land across birmingham and some worth a fair bit and perhaps most importantly and rarely in football clubs a debt free football club. Not many clubs are in villas position. If you pay say 500 million for arsenal. 400 million would be paying off debt etc. Villa is a bargain and we will win the european cup in 3 seasons time.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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What randy is buying is a bargain. One of the best youth academys in the country, a cracking ground circa 45,000 a ****ing loyal fanbase (we played shit last year 34,000 avg **** you chelsea you dont even sell out every game) a few decent players, bag loads of history, shit loads of land across birmingham and some worth a fair bit and perhaps most importantly and rarely in football clubs a debt free football club. Not many clubs are in villas position. If you pay say 500 million for arsenal. 400 million would be paying off debt etc. Villa is a bargain and we will win the european cup in 3 seasons time.
exactly my point.

anyway, i feel for you pig, hope it all turns out well etc.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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**** you chelsea you dont even sell out every game)
Yeah the Charity Shield was like 20k people from full because Chelsea didnt sell all their tickets

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Villa is a bargain and we will win the european cup in 3 seasons time.
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Yeah the Charity Shield was like 20k people from full because Chelsea didnt sell all their tickets


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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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At least we win the european cup
Do they still run the Anglo-Italian cup?
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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At least we win the european cup
Sunderland won the top division in the 1891/1892 season.

I'm sure it's of great comfort to them.

Also: [20:29:13] <Deffeh> its taken you 4 or 5 years to admit villa are "an average side", to say its difficult to reason with you lot is an understatement

I feel its a valid point.
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Sunderland won the top division in the 1891/1892 season.
On our joining the football league, we were known as "the team of all talents", as we had a talented man, so they say, in every position. We were pretty rock solid big club, in terms of support and success, until the middle of the 50's when we got relegated for what probably amounted to tax evasion.

It was all downhill from there.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

The name Randy makes me laugh every time i see it :)
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Buying Villa for that much is a bargin.

Villa + reported £50m transfer kitty = challanging for UEFA Cup spots / 4th Champions League place.

The question is, will they be able to attract players?
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

Shouldn't be a great problem, we just need the name to be known. Thats the deciding factor for players. Once Aston Villa as a name and a brand is known then players will be willing to sign for us.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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Buying Villa for that much is a bargin.

Villa + reported £50m transfer kitty = challanging for UEFA Cup spots / 4th Champions League place.

The question is, will they be able to attract players?
I think it will take a few years before Villa will be consistently challenging for the CL. Even with O'Neill the squad will have to be improved significantly before that can happen and that is unlikely to even start until next summer.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

I would want to start winning say the FA Cup/League Cup whilst moving up the league. Within five years challenging for the top and champions league.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

i think Villa is a sleeping giant. good buy imo.
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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On our joining the football league, we were known as "the team of all talents", as we had a talented man, so they say, in every position. We were pretty rock solid big club, in terms of support and success, until the middle of the 50's when we got relegated for what probably amounted to tax evasion.

It was all downhill from there.
and the slide goes on...

Our next game is Southend away at roots hall with there 12,000 capacity.

The thing that boils my piss most though is the fact i feel i have to go down because i dont want to miss our first win - miserable.

I hope Villa pick themselves up, proper club...
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

We are a sleeping giant, I also believe that we have the history, infrastructure and fans to become a giant that we once were.

Incidentally the top 6 by trophies represent for me at least how I see the top 6 in fans, potential and history etc.

Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Aston Villa
Tottenham
Everton

Up the Villa!
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Re: [football] pig, explain me this

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I'm sure I remember reading somewhere that if Chelsea hadn't qualified for the Champions League in 2003 then Abramovich wouldn't have bought them although I don't know how accurate that is.
I believe it may have been in Frank Lampards Autobiography that the players were told before the game that if they failed to win the game the club would fall into liquidation as it was just the potential windfall from the Champions League that was keeping the banks from closing them down
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At least we win the european cup
just the once?
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