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10 Mar 2009, 16:49
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Nobody
Join Date: May 2004
Location: London
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
I don't understand how Asc are gaining on the leaders so fast! I assume CT must be hitting them full force considering the stick they're giving to ND for resuming galraids in their fleet names!
Actually nevermind, I saw those fleetnames when they galraided us last night
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10 Mar 2009, 18:36
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#352
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LCH
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: JNC
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [ND]Byrney
Actually nevermind, I saw those fleetnames when they galraided us last night
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10 Mar 2009, 18:46
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#353
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Nobody
Join Date: May 2004
Location: London
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
How does that change things?
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10 Mar 2009, 20:18
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Banned
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: ******
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Zoro
lokken
I don't know if you are from ascendancy (i presume you are). What I know is you are spouting the usual (play our chances down) rubbish.
10% to 20% chance for an ASC win. It's more like 50% to 60% chance and of course you know that.
But to seal the deal you lot will continue to play down the chances until you are strong and impossible to stop.
Why does everyone buy it round after round?
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Lok is a terrible pessimist. I rate the chance of an Ascendancy win to be 100%, but then I'm an arrogant shit. Presumably the truth is somewhere in between.
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10 Mar 2009, 20:59
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Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 6,339
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Banned
Lok is a terrible pessimist. I rate the chance of an Ascendancy win to be 100%, but then I'm an arrogant shit. Presumably the truth is somewhere in between.
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Realism.
I've factored in Ascendancy being in the worst possible position politically if they look like they're going to win, with a scenario of 3 big alliances and a couple of others hitting them. I mean, the people arguing against me here can hardly argue with that - they're the very ones advocating such a scenario when we're nowhere near that position. Obviously open warfare might be a good reason to suggest the percentage is higher, but I think there's political tolerance levels to build in, so I've gone for a 10 to 20 per cent probability. As for your 100%, while it reflects Ascendancy's gushing pride on its odds defying performance thus far (in terms that they are even a factor here), I don't think that reflects the reality on sandmans and politically.
As for the current situation, Ascendancy have gained ground on roidcount, but Conspiracy still have over 10% more income and have just put 6 million score worth of ships in play. So it depends on what people mean by gaining ground. Obviously Ascendancy could be said to have momentum but CT are counteracting that momentum by releasing ships out of production to stop it. CT are still outstripping Ascendancy on value gains given their roid count (I haven't factored in crashes as I don't know whether they've had a bad day on this today).
Zoro's argument is based pretty much based on the fact that he thinks Ascendancy are the best alliance. While this could well be true, you can be as good as want, if the numbers are against you, the fact you might be better doesn't count for nearly as much. Which is why Ascendancy are 21 million points behind and have the lowest roid count of the top 4. So in my view, there is a possibility of Ascendancy winning but as it stands, it's not a likely event because if they remotely look good, the numbers will most likely be against them.
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10 Mar 2009, 23:28
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#356
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 128
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Can someone please not hand Asc the round, cos i really dont want to ruin my life, to focus on PA 24/7...
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See that right there is unhealthy.
Whilst i agree that Ascendancy probably have the strongest bunch of players how you can honestly say they are favourites right now is beyond me.
CT especially have been in front roidwise virtually the whole round and whilst i recognise some crashing has been going on is it realistically enough to peg their value down to Asc levels? (Put me straight as i honestly don't know).
I haven't masked the fact that i would like to see an Asc win, basically because i admire the way they have performed under heavy fire, even if they fail it has been an admirable effort. Likewise i wouldn't be against an Omen win, i know Asc have pushed them back on occasion but they have stuck to their task and shown determination, hats off.
CT have politically played everyone very well indeed from what i read and ND seem to have snook under the radar very nicely.
If the current political scenario stays as is i think CT will still win it.
Just to reiterate, my opinions are based purely from information gathered here and Sandmans and i have no ingame information whatsoever so if i have anything wrong then i apologise but i just wanted to air my view.
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11 Mar 2009, 08:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by ATRO
CT especially have been in front roidwise virtually the whole round and whilst i recognise some crashing has been going on is it realistically enough to peg their value down to Asc levels? (Put me straight as i honestly don't know).
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Yes.
Especially when Asc is using the lower ranked allies to flak for them, while they get the glory.
Is it possible to get a representative from Asc to confirm/deny that accusation? Particularly the refference to using the lower ranked allies to flak for them?
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11 Mar 2009, 09:20
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#358
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
you would have to be more specific junglemuffin
eg. everyone in the top 5 is hitting asc at the moment except CT who are galraiding
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11 Mar 2009, 09:52
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Yes.
Especially when Asc is using the lower ranked allies to flak for them, while they get the glory.
Is it possible to get a representative from Asc to confirm/deny that accusation? Particularly the refference to using the lower ranked allies to flak for them?
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We're NAPed to hirr and Rock. We haven't co-ordinated attacks very much with either; Rock have targetted gals with omen in them once or twice whilst we hit the Omen planets. I don't know about hirr, although I somehow doubt much has gone on with them either...
You're clearly referring to Orbit thinking they can take a t20 gal and double booking your gal with us. There was no co-operation there and if the waves didn't overlap it's because our players realised about their piggies early enough and pushed their attacks back to take advantage. Asking for Orbit to co-operate with us on a single galraid on a non t10 gal is pretty absurd dude...
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11 Mar 2009, 11:15
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Ark-miner wannabe
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Aug 2007
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
Like Kila says I dont think we (hirr) have performed a single attack in cooperation with Asc.
We have done a few raids with Rock and stayed clear of Asc planets, that is all.
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11 Mar 2009, 11:40
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NewDawn
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Stavanger, Norway
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by gzambo
eg. everyone in the top 5 is hitting asc at the moment except CT who are galraiding
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11 Mar 2009, 12:02
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
Indeed it is.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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11 Mar 2009, 13:19
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Further to the right
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Yes.
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I'm sure you know at least one person in ascendancy who can paste you some relative average values to prove this isn't true.
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Is it possible to get a representative from Asc to confirm/deny that accusation? Particularly the refference to using the lower ranked allies to flak for them?
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I've never asked any alliance to flak for us no. Orbit on your gal last night was a random piggy. As the er, random piggies would probably indicate.
Edit: Steinmetz, he was just making a point, not actually claiming that was the case!
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11 Mar 2009, 13:23
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by SteInMetz
That's just plain bullshit
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Read the full post dude i gave an example of being specific , and anyways this is AD home of bullshit
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11 Mar 2009, 13:33
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#365
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PornStar
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 96
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
Agreed
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12 Mar 2009, 06:17
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,220
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by lokken
Realism.
I've factored in Ascendancy being in the worst possible position politically if they look like they're going to win, with a scenario of 3 big alliances and a couple of others hitting them. I mean, the people arguing against me here can hardly argue with that - they're the very ones advocating such a scenario when we're nowhere near that position. Obviously open warfare might be a good reason to suggest the percentage is higher, but I think there's political tolerance levels to build in, so I've gone for a 10 to 20 per cent probability. As for your 100%, while it reflects Ascendancy's gushing pride on its odds defying performance thus far (in terms that they are even a factor here), I don't think that reflects the reality on sandmans and politically.
As for the current situation, Ascendancy have gained ground on roidcount, but Conspiracy still have over 10% more income and have just put 6 million score worth of ships in play. So it depends on what people mean by gaining ground. Obviously Ascendancy could be said to have momentum but CT are counteracting that momentum by releasing ships out of production to stop it. CT are still outstripping Ascendancy on value gains given their roid count (I haven't factored in crashes as I don't know whether they've had a bad day on this today).
Zoro's argument is based pretty much based on the fact that he thinks Ascendancy are the best alliance. While this could well be true, you can be as good as want, if the numbers are against you, the fact you might be better doesn't count for nearly as much. Which is why Ascendancy are 21 million points behind and have the lowest roid count of the top 4. So in my view, there is a possibility of Ascendancy winning but as it stands, it's not a likely event because if they remotely look good, the numbers will most likely be against them.
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seriously?
in the current climate I kinda take it for granted that asc wins.
They are allied with: ROCK / hirr / DLR / xvx
They are teaming / working with ND.
There needs nothing short of a miracle atm to stop asc from winning their 3rd in a row.
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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12 Mar 2009, 06:33
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Miles Teg
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Dom City
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
seriously?
in the current climate I kinda take it for granted that asc wins.
They are allied with: ROCK / hirr / DLR / xvx
They are teaming / working with ND.
There needs nothing short of a miracle atm to stop asc from winning their 3rd in a row.
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Why do you always get these updates before me?
A good galmate shares! .... anyway .. we are allied with Rock and hirr which so far has been more symbolic then anything else, about DLR and xVx .. please enlighten me! They are lovely people, but I haven't seen any mail that we are not allowed to hit them or anything....
The NewDawn thing might be more of an NewDawn plot then Ascendancy playing, NewDawn has been pretty much lowprofiling it all round .... might be a good move.
By the way, has anyone seen big CT planets release production already? Hanzi, can you scan and calculate again?
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12 Mar 2009, 07:12
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Apprime Troll HC
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
seriously?
in the current climate I kinda take it for granted that asc wins.
They are allied with: ROCK / hirr / DLR / xvx
They are teaming / working with ND.
There needs nothing short of a miracle atm to stop asc from winning their 3rd in a row.
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i dont think DLR is allied or NAPed to anyone. Can you please explain why you pull such things out of thin air?
Theam: a quick analysis of CTs growth and with the last calc in hand i estimate it to be around ~15mill. Certainly not less.
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12 Mar 2009, 08:03
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
seriously?
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Maybe if you guys actually started to realise that actions usually provoke a reaction you'd be in a better position
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in the current climate I kinda take it for granted that asc wins.
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I actually place the blame for the new political climate with Omen, you seem to have taken the decision that you can't win by actually hitting Asc, so you'll try to win by outroiding them, hoping that everyone hits them for you...
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They are allied with: ROCK / hirr
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They have been since the start...
Omen stole a DLR members fleet, OH WHAT A SURPRISE THAT THEY MAY BE MORE HOSTILE TO YOU THAN ASC.
xVx don't DO politics
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For the best part of a week you've been hitting big ND planets, and then hit a galaxy with 7 Newdawn ingal the other night. Again are you surprised ND are more hostile to you?
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There needs nothing short of a miracle atm to stop asc from winning their 3rd in a row.
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The miracle that needs to happen is that whoever is doing politics for you needs to realise they are doing a TERRIBLE job.
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12 Mar 2009, 08:18
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
wish when i said AD is the home of bullshit i wasnt asking for more examples of it
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12 Mar 2009, 08:27
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Ark-miner wannabe
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Aug 2007
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Game^
They have been since the start...
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Fyi hirr/Rock/Asc agreed on status green on March 3rd, just over a week ago, when it seemed that everybody and his cat wanted to hit Asc.
Prior to that we had no ties with anybody of today.
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12 Mar 2009, 10:54
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Orbit HC
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 184
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
I can categorically say that Orbit won't be joining any other ally on any other endeavour in any conceivable set of circumstances.
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12 Mar 2009, 11:11
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Non directed and witty
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: #ascendancy
Posts: 814
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
Crowly what if elviz wants a pnap?
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12 Mar 2009, 11:20
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#374
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Orbit HC
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 184
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
Then he can pay the same price as everyone else - 1 free max cap for our smallest member.
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12 Mar 2009, 11:20
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#375
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Game^
xVx don't DO politics
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We are in fact napped to xVx.
Ascendancy political status at the moment (to the best of my knowledge): we're napped to ROCK/hirr/xVx and have been sharing targets with ND a couple of times the last few days, which I guess pretty much automatically means we're not hitting each other. We're not allied to DLR, though we appear to have some shared interests, which might make it look like we are.
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Originally Posted by Crowly
I can categorically say that Orbit won't be joining any other ally on any other endeavour in any conceivable set of circumstances.
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I'm curious: why not?
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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12 Mar 2009, 11:31
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Game^
Maybe if you guys actually started to realise that actions usually provoke a reaction you'd be in a better position
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sigh, why do I get drawn into replying to idiots? but here goes.
we attacked 8:2 or was it 2:9? dunno, an ND gal apparantly, which we had with 4 nd ingal. Our ND intel at the time was pretty shitty. Later that night when incs were flying we found out it was 7 ND there - updated intel, said we were sorry, and thought it was pretty much sorted. that being said, we had no ties with ND at the time, but we had no intentions of being hostile with ND.
The next day ND teams with ASC on a heavy omen gal. ND attacking Omens and Asc the CTs + others. That night we attaked 9:1 with 2 NDs, where we had 2 booked waves on 1 and 3 on the other iirc.
Next day we find out ND set no def allowed to Omen members ingal, and find that they are again working with asc.
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Originally Posted by Game^
I actually place the blame for the new political climate with Omen, you seem to have taken the decision that you can't win by actually hitting Asc, so you'll try to win by outroiding them, hoping that everyone hits them for you...
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sigh, yes. We havent been attacking Asc at all this round! we have been fencing!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Game^
Omen stole a DLR members fleet, OH WHAT A SURPRISE THAT THEY MAY BE MORE HOSTILE TO YOU THAN ASC.
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We did not. It was VGN who did that. sigh. Get a clue before u come here on ad looking like an idiot.
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Originally Posted by Game^
xVx don't DO politics
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they do. And are currently napped with asc. again.. COME ON?!? u know better than this?
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Originally Posted by Game^
For the best part of a week you've been hitting big ND planets, and then hit a galaxy with 7 Newdawn ingal the other night. Again are you surprised ND are more hostile to you?
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Read first response to get the correct order of events. sigh.
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Originally Posted by Game^
The miracle that needs to happen is that whoever is doing politics for you needs to realise they are doing a TERRIBLE job.
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ye, if only we did politics as great as u post on AD.
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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12 Mar 2009, 11:34
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
We are in fact napped to xVx.
Ascendancy political status at the moment (to the best of my knowledge): we're napped to ROCK/hirr/xVx and have been sharing targets with ND a couple of times the last few days, which I guess pretty much automatically means we're not hitting each other. We're not allied to DLR, though we appear to have some shared interests, which might make it look like we are.
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Mzyxptlk again.
pretty accurate and good post.
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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12 Mar 2009, 11:37
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Orbit HC
Join Date: Sep 2006
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
I'm curious: why not?
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Simply because there's nothing in it for us. We're not a charity and we don't really see how who wins affects how we improve our own alliance.
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12 Mar 2009, 12:08
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
We did not. It was VGN who did that. sigh. Get a clue before u come here on ad looking like an idiot.
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Yeah, as if lizardking is not effectively a member of your alliance. :P
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
they do. And are currently napped with asc. again.. COME ON?!? u know better than this?
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What do you mean 'again'? I don't think we've napped xVx before.
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Originally Posted by Crowly
Simply because there's nothing in it for us. We're not a charity and we don't really see how who wins affects how we improve our own alliance.
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It doesn't. But the actions you take during the round do. Getting involved with politics and hitting bigger galaxies is one of the best ways to improve your alliance, not to mention the XP.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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12 Mar 2009, 12:44
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Yes.
Especially when Asc is using the lower ranked allies to flak for them, while they get the glory.
Is it possible to get a representative from Asc to confirm/deny that accusation? Particularly the refference to using the lower ranked allies to flak for them?
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By this statement, i wasnt referring to anything, specifically. I was asking a question based on general observations about the place, in which attacks looked slightly less than fluke randomness. By flak, i meant, in a more general sense: The lower ranked allies, attacking Asc rivals, (which would more than likely would have been due to alliances/naps.)
Basically i was asking for someone to come forward with regards to Asc political relationships.
At no point did i make any reference to a/my galaxy. My apologies for not clarifying myself. Fortunately though, it appears as if my question was answered, by mz of all people! Thankyou sir.
Edit: So oficially we have Asc allied/napped with ROCK, hirr, xvx, for all intents and purposes ND (target sharing ), while also sharing similair views with DLR. Anyone else ive missed? Tbfh, thats starting to sound a hell of alot like a block.
Anyone willing to say where CT/Omen/VGN stand?
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12 Mar 2009, 12:58
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LDK
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Norway
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Yeah, as if lizardking is not effectively a member of your alliance. :P
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he isnt. He attacks with vgn and defends vgn and gets def from vgn. We helped him at the FC attempt cause :shocker: we are ALLIED with VGN, and thats what allies do?
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
What do you mean 'again'? I don't think we've napped xVx before.
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I meant the poster being an idiot -again- In the past u only shared attacks with xvx, now u formalized it
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Originally posted by Newt
I would give me right testicle to be in a gal with you wishmaster!!! wonder if thatd be enough to bribe spinner with hmmmm
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
We have never shared attacks with xvx. Seriously if you want to know what ascendancy are doing just come and ask me and I'll probably tell you! Pointless levels of secrecy have never been my thing.
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12 Mar 2009, 13:55
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Edit: So oficially we have Asc allied/napped with ROCK, hirr, xvx, for all intents and purposes ND (target sharing ), while also sharing similair views with DLR. Anyone else ive missed? Tbfh, thats starting to sound a hell of alot like a block
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No we're not NAPed with ND afaik. We can and probably still do hit them. And don't even try to make it sound like we're working with DLR; it just happens that Omen pissed them off.
So we're powerblocking with hirr, Rock and xvx! who next? penis-allianz and zz-crew?! MAYBE EVEN THE FEARSOME ANUS STARS!
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12 Mar 2009, 13:59
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Orbit HC
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
It doesn't. But the actions you take during the round do. Getting involved with politics and hitting bigger galaxies is one of the best ways to improve your alliance, not to mention the XP.
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When we had to hit an alliance for rank, we did, and the whole ASS debacle ensued. It wouldn't take a genius to predict what would happen if we decided to take on xvx for their rank.
So what remains is to evaluate our strengths and weaknesses in preparation for the next round, not to hurl ourselves onto people's guns in order to affect (if we'd even make a difference) the outcome of a fight that isn't our problem.
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12 Mar 2009, 14:05
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Leader of the Membrivians
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Netherlands
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Crowly
Simply because there's nothing in it for us. We're not a charity and we don't really see how who wins affects how we improve our own alliance.
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
It doesn't. But the actions you take during the round do. Getting involved with politics and hitting bigger galaxies is one of the best ways to improve your alliance, not to mention the XP.
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Of course I agree with you. XP helps getting score, and xp is increasingly gained by attacking bigger galaxies. Sound logics.
However, it has also a downside for our alliance to consider: if we target such gals andwe are cooperating with one of the top4 alliances, it also brings us into sight for being targeted, or at least our bigger members. Considering the current game setup of 100 possible members per alli, this would not be a good situation for us. Just do the math.
Joined attacks with an alliance of our own category on bigger gals could be an option though. We do consider and have considered that option, and it is an ongoing subject of discussion per emerging opportunity.
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12 Mar 2009, 14:40
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Nobody
Join Date: May 2004
Location: London
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
he isnt. He attacks with vgn and defends vgn and gets def from vgn. We helped him at the FC attempt cause :shocker: we are ALLIED with VGN, and thats what allies do?
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You are aware that when he stole the fleet in question he had 2 Omen cath co fleets with him right?
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12 Mar 2009, 14:52
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mz.
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 8,587
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
So oficially we have Asc allied/napped with ROCK, hirr, xvx, for all intents and purposes ND (target sharing ), while also sharing similair views with DLR. Anyone else ive missed? Tbfh, thats starting to sound a hell of alot like a block.
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We were also piggied by Orbit yesterday, you forgot to add them to your Axis of Evil.
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Anyone willing to say where CT/Omen/VGN stand?
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Omen and Vengeance have been napped all round, pretty much. As far as I know CT made all their naps evaporate, except the one with ND. Omen dropped theirs when they learned about the CT/ND nap.
That's the beauty of napping non-competing alliances. They won't stab you in the back for a better chance the winning the round. Omen/Vengeance and ROCK/Ascendancy are the only naps that have held since round start.
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12 Mar 2009, 14:55
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: In bed with your mum.
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by _Kila_
No we're not NAPed with ND afaik. We can and probably still do hit them. And don't even try to make it sound like we're working with DLR; it just happens that Omen pissed them off.
So we're powerblocking with hirr, Rock and xvx! who next? penis-allianz and zz-crew?! MAYBE EVEN THE FEARSOME ANUS STARS!
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Kila, i never said Asc and ND where napd. I made referrence to a previous statement. I also made no attemps to make it appear as if Asc where working with DLR, again, i simply made referrence to a previous statement.
This thread is being shitted up enough as is. I dont think we need your help with over analysing and nit picking any >1 line statement. If you want to play detective, go watch CSI.
As far as powerblocking several allies outside the top5, i do not understand how you can be so arrogant and dismissive of them. After saving it up in my bag of tricks for any future aspirations, for quite some time, i believe it is quite an insightfull and effective political manouvre. No doubt Asc leaders feel the same way. Whether youre intelligent enough to realise some of the more subtle aspects of the game, i do not know, but i assure you, PA polotics is not about napping the big dog. Perhaps you should pay these allies the respect that some others do, and remember that.
At the end of the day, hirr/rock/xvx/who ever's ships all kill as much of the enemies fleet and steal as many roids as anyone elses. Just because they may not have the activity, or desire, to recall/launch for 12 hours straight is irrelevant. A wave, is a wave, is a wave, and a wave that theyre killing/roiding the enemy, is one less Asc needs to launch, in order to achieve the round win.
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12 Mar 2009, 15:27
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Banned
Join Date: May 2001
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
he isnt. He attacks with vgn
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I missed this first time around. Lirl though.
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12 Mar 2009, 15:48
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Retired
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Omen and Vengeance have been napped all round, pretty much. As far as I know CT made all their naps evaporate, except the one with ND. Omen dropped theirs when they learned about the CT/ND nap.
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ND/CT nap and CT/Omen Nap were established on the same day. It was told to me that omen cancelled the nap later due to issues with targets
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12 Mar 2009, 17:33
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Over the moon
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
sigh, why do I get drawn into replying to idiots? but here goes.
we attacked 8:2 or was it 2:9? dunno, an ND gal apparantly, which we had with 4 nd ingal. Our ND intel at the time was pretty shitty. Later that night when incs were flying we found out it was 7 ND there - updated intel, said we were sorry, and thought it was pretty much sorted. that being said, we had no ties with ND at the time, but we had no intentions of being hostile with ND.
The next day ND teams with ASC on a heavy omen gal. ND attacking Omens and Asc the CTs + others. That night we attaked 9:1 with 2 NDs, where we had 2 booked waves on 1 and 3 on the other iirc.
Next day we find out ND set no def allowed to Omen members ingal, and find that they are again working with asc.
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Man this is so hilarious, you only add intel that's handed to you on a plate or what? Simple news scans would show 90% of the top alliances co-ords now, yet you blame bad intel There are alot of other inaccuracies in your post but this isn't the time or place.
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Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
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12 Mar 2009, 17:40
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Over the moon
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Deeeeenmark
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
As far as powerblocking several allies outside the top5, i do not understand how you can be so arrogant and dismissive of them. After saving it up in my bag of tricks for any future aspirations, for quite some time, i believe it is quite an insightfull and effective political manouvre. No doubt Asc leaders feel the same way. Whether youre intelligent enough to realise some of the more subtle aspects of the game, i do not know, but i assure you, PA polotics is not about napping the big dog. Perhaps you should pay these allies the respect that some others do, and remember that.
At the end of the day, hirr/rock/xvx/who ever's ships all kill as much of the enemies fleet and steal as many roids as anyone elses. Just because they may not have the activity, or desire, to recall/launch for 12 hours straight is irrelevant. A wave, is a wave, is a wave, and a wave that theyre killing/roiding the enemy, is one less Asc needs to launch, in order to achieve the round win.
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This is so far away from the truth that I'll have to call it clueless. I'm 100% sure hirr/ROCK wouldn't still be on good terms with asc if they felt we used them for flak. At the time the agreement was made, those two alliances were the only ones willing to have any sort of agreements with us, why is it so weird that we accepted them?
When we feel we have something to offer them, we talk to them and sometimes they agree, its not like we're telling them which targets to attack every night or anything close to that.
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Zik: 3rd(r30), 4th(r52), 7th(r27), 9th(r26), 31st(r51)
Ter: 3rd(r50), 4th(r53), 4th(r37), 5th(r31) 7th (r58)
Xan: 3rd(r36), 40th(r57) 54th(r33), 104th(r29)
Cat: 8th (r54), 9th(r48), 12th (r55), 20th(r32), 77th(r23), 103rd(r38), 150th(r34), 152nd(r24),
Etd: 14th(r28)
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12 Mar 2009, 17:56
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Paso Leaute
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
I dont understand why everyone in PA thinks a NAP is some sort of block, a NAP is a Non Aggression Pact that is you dont hit each other - it does not necessarily have anything to do with flacking or joint attacking, that would be an Offensive alliance. In the real world a NAP would essentially be the normal state of affairs, in PA however it is an indication of bias to one side or an other (because by not hitting ppl u increase the incs on the others) but it is not necessarily an active commitment to co-operation.
Asc has criticized CT for its NAPs because they at one point added up to all its credible rivals except Asc. Omen/VGN do not have a NAP as far as I can see they have or at least had an active offensive alliance against Asc which included hitting asc as hard as Omen itself was.
for the sake of clarity NAP should not be the catch all term for all forms of friendly diplomatic relations no matter the degree.
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12 Mar 2009, 18:06
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Benevolent Dictator
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
DLR isn't NAPed or allied with anyone.
We've worked together with ascendancy once this round & that was to roid venox. I believe CT was also involved in that attack.
Who we target is directly related to who we get hostiles from.
Lately the only allies we've really gotten incoming from is CT VGN & Omen.
:-) oh & one night of ptargeting from hidden agenda, when we were closing in on them for 9th spot.
With the largest number of hostiles by far coming from CT.
CT is the only alliance we've been actively targeting lately, but we aren't going to ignore any large worthwhile targets of opportunity that present themselves.
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12 Mar 2009, 18:21
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break it down!
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Kila, i never said Asc and ND where napd. I made referrence to a previous statement. I also made no attemps to make it appear as if Asc where working with DLR, again, i simply made referrence to a previous statement.
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You were including them in this "evil powerblock" of yours.
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
At the end of the day, hirr/rock/xvx/who ever's ships all kill as much of the enemies fleet and steal as many roids as anyone elses. Just because they may not have the activity, or desire, to recall/launch for 12 hours straight is irrelevant. A wave, is a wave, is a wave, and a wave that theyre killing/roiding the enemy, is one less Asc needs to launch, in order to achieve the round win.
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HEY MAN I THINK YOU'RE FORGETTING THE FACT THAT CRASHING/SALVAGE DONATIONS ARE ACTUALLY COUNTER PRODUCTIVE TO A WAR EFFORT, AS VGN HAVE DEMONSTRATED PRETTY AWESOMELY SO FAR THIS ROUND.
And the smaller allies are not even sharing targets with us, so this sanctimonious bullshit you're spouting about "a wave is a wave", however wrong and retarded it may be, isn't even relevant.
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12 Mar 2009, 18:25
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
We were also piggied by Orbit yesterday, you forgot to add them to your Axis of Evil.
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We also piggied Orbit yesterday*
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12 Mar 2009, 18:42
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
we attacked 8:2 or was it 2:9? dunno, an ND gal apparantly, which we had with 4 nd ingal. Our ND intel at the time was pretty shitty. Later that night when incs were flying we found out it was 7 ND there - updated intel, said we were sorry, and thought it was pretty much sorted. that being said, we had no ties with ND at the time, but we had no intentions of being hostile with ND.
The next day ND teams with ASC on a heavy omen gal. ND attacking Omens and Asc the CTs + others. That night we attaked 9:1 with 2 NDs, where we had 2 booked waves on 1 and 3 on the other iirc.
Next day we find out ND set no def allowed to Omen members ingal, and find that they are again working with asc.
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Wishmaster, seriously it's pt1000 and you STILL have patchy intel? How is this even possible? I seriously cannot believe that you didn't see hitting ND would force them more towards Asc, amazingly Asc managed to avoid hitting ND more so than yourselves, but then again JBG thinks further ahead than 2 ticks unlike you.
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sigh, yes. We havent been attacking Asc at all this round! we have been fencing!!!!!!!!
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I didn't say you haven't hit Asc all round, I said you are responsible for the change in the political landscape and the advantage Asc seems to be gaining from it. Tell me, when was the last time you actually hit Asc in an organised fashion?
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We did not. It was VGN who did that. sigh. Get a clue before u come here on ad looking like an idiot.
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JBG / mz already pretty much covered this...I some how doubt a 'normal' VGN member would have got this help from you is all I will say.
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they do. And are currently napped with asc. again.. COME ON?!? u know better than this?
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My understanding was that xVx never previously did politics, forgive me I don't generally keep track on xVx's dealings, as guess what a NAP with them certainly won't be what wins an alliance a round.
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ye, if only we did politics as great as u post on AD.
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Your posts seem to be along the same lines as your politics, ill thought and lacking any kind of direction / point.
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12 Mar 2009, 21:01
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BlueTuba
Join Date: Aug 2000
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
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Originally Posted by Wishmaster
seriously?
in the current climate I kinda take it for granted that asc wins.
They are allied with: ROCK / hirr / DLR / xvx
They are teaming / working with ND.
There needs nothing short of a miracle atm to stop asc from winning their 3rd in a row.
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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
By this statement, i wasnt referring to anything, specifically. I was asking a question based on general observations about the place, in which attacks looked slightly less than fluke randomness. By flak, i meant, in a more general sense: The lower ranked allies, attacking Asc rivals, (which would more than likely would have been due to alliances/naps.)
Basically i was asking for someone to come forward with regards to Asc political relationships.
At no point did i make any reference to a/my galaxy. My apologies for not clarifying myself. Fortunately though, it appears as if my question was answered, by mz of all people! Thankyou sir.
Edit: So oficially we have Asc allied/napped with ROCK, hirr, xvx, for all intents and purposes ND (target sharing ), while also sharing similair views with DLR. Anyone else ive missed? Tbfh, thats starting to sound a hell of alot like a block.
Anyone willing to say where CT/Omen/VGN stand?
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Two posts that take facts, chuck in some guesswork and then make utterly misrepresentative conclusions when you put them in them in context of the round as a whole.
Ascendancy having a NAP with ROCK is not controversial. Asc pretty much always nap with ROCK and work with them occasionally. With all due respect to ROCK, them and Asc are pretty much playing at opposite ends of the game, so I don't see how this agreement is controversial.
Ascendancy's position on hirr is pretty unambiguous - we like them. hirr have not really coordinated anything with us, and the NAP was brokered through ROCK, not Ascendancy.
The xVx NAP is mainly for the benefit of these two alliances (they have mutual interests) and pretty much confirms the situation that both alliances weren't hitting each other. All this does is prevent random incoming, which is utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Just because Ascendancy formalise it doesn't change the situation from it not being a NAP. Admittedly it gives you fire to add your argument, but it's ultimately meaningless fire.
Obviously, Ascendancy has cooperated with ND, as they can work off the back of each other's attacks out of mutual interest. I highly doubt this is being done as part of weaving webs of ****ing intrigue all over the place, but because it just makes sense to make both their attacks more efficient. Particularly when Ascendancy are the alliance with the value disadvantage. On top of that, make no mistake - ND want to win this round of planetarion. So this is probably not a permanent deal in the long run.
As Grog has confirmed, Ascendancy do not work actively with DLR - they're just hitting people who hit them. This is nothing to do with Ascendancy.
In reality, there are still 3 big alliances opposing Ascendancy in the long run, all of them with marginally higher roid counts. Not to mention, all of them having the benefit of larger growth for some time and most likely considerably higher stashes. The score gaps, regardless of Ascendancy's recent successes have barely changed, because there is no basis for them to do so.
So to describe stopping Ascendancy as needing a "miracle" is just a cheap lie. To say Ascendancy is forming a block is pretty much untrue when the cooperation is occasional cooperation with a vastly smaller alliance its napped for ages and shared targets with NewDawn for a few days because some mutual interest happened to come by its door. If other alliances attract incoming by their own actions, that's their lookout - blaming Ascendancy won't help you an inch.
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12 Mar 2009, 22:02
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Tides of Fire
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
An open message to Planetarion:
Bite me
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12 Mar 2009, 23:23
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Re: An open message to Planetarion
So it seems DLR still got this round tightly wrapped up.. continuously pwning!!
I love the fact that according to Wish Ascendancy works with DLR because DLR retails Omen planets and hits Fat CTS who constantly give DLR incs!!! OOOH NOOOEEES!!!
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