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Unread 4 Nov 2002, 14:05   #1
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Arrow So i finally bought Starcraft

I don't see what all the rage is about, i thought it was a pretty cack game.

There's no feeling of 'destruction' when you send units to attack. That an 90% of the time they get massacred.

What's the secret with this game eh?
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I stopped playing RTS games after C&C, there hasn't been anything with decent gameplay since. Generals looks promising though.

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Most games are the same now

You dont get games like X-Wing or Doom anymore
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Sure you get the feeling of destruction, when you play skirmish games, instead of campaign. Play human vs human, with someone on your skill level, and you see what the game is all about.
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Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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Unread 4 Nov 2002, 14:42   #6
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Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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I don't see what all the rage is about, i thought it was a pretty cack game.

There's no feeling of 'destruction' when you send units to attack. That an 90% of the time they get massacred.

What's the secret with this game eh?
I've never actually played Starcraft so I can't tell you whether it is good or not. But, if you had bought the game when it came out maybe you would have thought it was the best game ever. After all PC games age very quickly.
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The greatest thing about Starcraft is the three truly opposing playing styles, which somehow (nearly) balance out. Also there is no one invulnerable unit as there is in other games - Carriers are bloody powerful, but in a 1v1 or 2v2 they're too risky in great numbers.
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Re: Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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I've never actually played Starcraft so I can't tell you whether it is good or not. But, if you had bought the game when it came out maybe you would have thought it was the best game ever. After all PC games age very quickly.
Except Starcraft and a handful of others.

Vanilla, the secret of starcraft is called 'playing protoss' (oh and get the patch).
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lol w4R3z 4 eva, do u haV tHe n3w 0-day ISO of St4rCr4fT 2? I fXp-ed it last NiTe to some l33tz0r pub - lol the aDmin diDNt hAv a cLuE the st00pid n00b13 :-) u gt nEtHinG 2 tr4dez0r 4 it d00D?
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Except Starcraft and a handful of others.

Vanilla, the secret of starcraft is called 'playing protoss' (oh and get the patch).
and using the dark archon to nick drones and human builders so that u can face them with whaqtever they throw @ you, and use the dark protoss to keep rushing the enemy till they die of frustration
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lol w4R3z 4 eva, do u haV tHe n3w 0-day ISO of St4rCr4fT 2? I fXp-ed it last NiTe to some l33tz0r pub - lol the aDmin diDNt hAv a cLuE the st00pid n00b13 :-) u gt nEtHinG 2 tr4dez0r 4 it d00D?

It's been almost a year since I bought a game
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It's been almost a year since I bought a game
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Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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I don't see what all the rage is about, i thought it was a pretty cack game.

There's no feeling of 'destruction' when you send units to attack. That an 90% of the time they get massacred.

What's the secret with this game eh?

try fighting battles, not watching them.
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try fighting battles, not watching them.
try playing age of kings, conquerers

that is a truly awesome game, it would be better tho if you could have the entire planet to play on and play with real sized peices and no upper limit to your forces or technology
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Re: Re: Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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try playing age of kings, conquerers

that is a truly awesome game, it would be better tho if you could have the entire planet to play on and play with real sized peices and no upper limit to your forces or technology
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Re: So i finally bought Starcraft

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I don't see what all the rage is about, i thought it was a pretty cack game.

There's no feeling of 'destruction' when you send units to attack. That an 90% of the time they get massacred.

What's the secret with this game eh?
It's like 1.5 years since I stopped playing (when I started with PA)
I suck at it, but it used to be something like this (SC, not BW)

terr vs terr: early tank + goolies + wraths
terr vs zerg:marines and a few firebats - tanks later when mass hydra. science vessels with that green stuff are a must.
terr vs toss:tanks and vults.

toss vs toss: dragoons, reavers and maybe speed zealots.
toss vs zerg: zealots (upgrade +1 att fast) tech fast to templars with storm.
toss vs terr: dragoons and speed zealots.

zerg vs zerg: zerglings and mutalisks (later do lings/hydra, maybe queens with ensnare)
zerg vs toss: mass lings and hydra.
zerg vs terr: hydra/lings, upgrades, drop (don't remember).
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You bought it?
I bought it purely for multiplayer like quite a few other people also. It still rawks....
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I see, I really should try it online then.

I got it for the bargain price of $9.99. So i thought 'why not'.

So far i played like two missions of the campaign (to see how it works) and then went straight to skirmist vs computer. I'm not one for campaigns, unless they're like operation flashpoint. Fun fun fun.
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Unfortunately if you try it online you'll get mercilessly slaughtered. A shame, since in 10 years time everyone will remember Starcraft and no-one will remember WarIII
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Unfortunately if you try it online you'll get mercilessly slaughtered. A shame, since in 10 years time everyone will remember Starcraft and no-one will remember WarIII
You enderestititimate my online strategy gaming skills.

I've still to find someone who can, regularly, beat me at empire eart, AEO II or settlers 4!

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You enderestititimate my online strategy gaming skills.

I've still to find someone who can, regularly, beat me at empire eart, AEO II or settlers 4!


As Mis said, you'll die horribly online unless it's against another first timer.

Trust us with experience.
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ya ya

Simplified you're all saying you're all whores and im an innocent virgin.
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try playing age of kings, conquerers
ABSOLUTLY RIGHT, a pitty they completly ****ed it up with AoM
3D = useless, EE just looked ugly and AoM aswell, so why does everyone start this 3d crap now??
star craft is overrated. i played a few games, then switched to AoE. i wonder whats up with these koreans, they play SC there like people here play football, they even broadcast games on tv
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Vanilla, it's pretty neat in mp. Especially against someone you know is better than you, but then you beat him four times in a row because your moves are so absurd that noone could ever seriously expect them...!


Though I'm an idiot for stories so I've played all the campaigns :/



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You enderestititimate my online strategy gaming skills.

I've still to find someone who can, regularly, beat me at empire eart, AEO II or settlers 4!

How quickly can you play 600 games? You might be about the bnet average by the time you're done :O) I'm sure you're good, but everyone on bnet has 2/3 years experience over you, and the only ones still playing are those who enjoy it because they win lots.

(Don't do what Lokken did though, and lose 500 of them)
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My brother bought it when it came out which was what, like 1997/98 and i burned it from him, do i win
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its an okay game

takes a bit to get into tho
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The crap thing about SC, AoEII is that there are no units which you can just send in to 'clean house'. For example, in Red Alert, you could just sit back and send in the Navy (Allied) / Air Force (Soviets). In RA2 you have Carriers/Dreadnoughts/Special Weapons etc. In the other games it's numbers, because no one unit is overwhelming.
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How quickly can you play 600 games? You might be about the bnet average by the time you're done :O) I'm sure you're good, but everyone on bnet has 2/3 years experience over you, and the only ones still playing are those who enjoy it because they win lots.

(Don't do what Lokken did though, and lose 500 of them)
I enjoy it

AND I LOST 500 GAMES :DDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddddd
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The crap thing about SC, AoEII is that there are no units which you can just send in to 'clean house'. For example, in Red Alert, you could just sit back and send in the Navy (Allied) / Air Force (Soviets). In RA2 you have Carriers/Dreadnoughts/Special Weapons etc. In the other games it's numbers, because no one unit is overwhelming.
You missed the whole strategy bit of strategy games, didn't you?
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The crap thing about SC, AoEII is that there are no units which you can just send in to 'clean house'. For example, in Red Alert, you could just sit back and send in the Navy (Allied) / Air Force (Soviets). In RA2 you have Carriers/Dreadnoughts/Special Weapons etc. In the other games it's numbers, because no one unit is overwhelming.
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SC can be good for carnage.

I played with a friend on a network.

I went Terran and he went Zerg.

We used the space platform type thing level (the one where you have like 4 platforms joined via bridges to a single platform in the midle).

My friend took control of 3 of the platforms and i had one.

I created the best defence i could (neither of us were allowed air units) aka **** loads of tanks.

My friend in the meantime had built up as many units as he could.

My friend then rushed me whilst building more units.

The carnage went on and on and on.



It was very good time fun.
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I don't see what all the rage is about, i thought it was a pretty cack game.

There's no feeling of 'destruction' when you send units to attack. That an 90% of the time they get massacred.

What's the secret with this game eh?
the secret is STRATEGY... if you looking for a DOOM-type game (where u can see blood spillin all over the walls) go look at the FPS games not RTS, if you play it enough you eventually start thinking about actual strategy instead of throwing a single-file-line of 200 marines at a row of 24 siege tanks, i doubt even with stim pack they'd get anywhere near those tanks... each unit has certain advantages/disadvantages and you have to consider them before grouping them... e.g. think of cost (minerals/vespene), space taken up (max of 200 - large units take up 6 spaces), fire-power (siege tanks have insane ground range - they shoot farther than they can see but cannot attack air), unit (attack) speed (marines have low hp but if massed early in the game can rapidly destroy a base), etc.
sure building mass carriers / battle cruisers / guardians is effective, not on 1v1 though because the time and resources required are too much for most maps (e.g. easy on bgh but not ladder maps), giving the opponent time to build cheap units (e.g. lings/rines/z's) to mutilate ur base with... you lose once your buildings are gone

when i play on bnet i got bored of playing computers, unless set to insane mode they are no challenge... on insane mode i tend to lose because... well they're insane
now i play against other ppl and i do win more then lose and i get a rush while i'm playing cuz u don't know whether u got the upper hand or not... until you / enemy attacks and you either leave enemy with no base or he kills off your attack and counterstrikes and leaves you with no base...

so basically if you're dying too fast then strategize... though it is a bit late seeing as sc2 is about to come out so you shoulda spent your money on even wc3 or wait out for sc2 (ya i know i'm a blizzard fan)
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so basically if you're dying too fast then strategize... though it is a bit late seeing as sc2 is about to come out so you shoulda spent your money on even wc3 or wait out for sc2 (ya i know i'm a blizzard fan)
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www.battlereports.com is essential reading, although all the current reports are Warcraft III. Look in the archives (I even wrote one, back when I was a fresh-faced newbie)
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