How to close a cheat?

[KingGnome]

I am absolutely convinced that some of my galaxy are cheating.

I know who is online at what times, who joins irc when their around, and who doesnt, who cant be bothered to play any more, and who is still committed to play.

I was suspecious of this person when I joined the galaxy due to the reputation that his countries alliance has, and while I gave him the benefit of the doubt, it seems that my suspecions are justified.

This cheater is/was account sharing with atleast two others in my galaxy. Admittedly I do not have any real proof of this, but two who were inactive in the galaxy suddenly started to piggy his fleets and join in with his attacks. Could be coincidence, but I highly doubt it. Reported, of course.

He also sent me a PA mail where he claims to be a particular person - when I know someone else signed up - and suggesting that someone else would be interested in taking over my account. Reported of course.

Another member of my galaxy approached my mate, who we had adopted as a scan planet, suggesting that he hand over his l/p to my galaxy member so someone would play it actively. Reported, of course.

Given that no actions have been taken to close either planet so far, what evidence can I provide which would help the case of getting the cheat closed?

[Spearhead]

this is R9 - with 500 active ppl playing they aint going to close ****! this is buissiness matey, and if they start closing ppl who are 'high' profiled they will threaten them that they and their alliance wll search another game to exploit...as you can see nothing will change! btw /me waves to [oops -Leshy] cheating scum!:e_chick: :e_chick: :e_chick:

[davidb]

try the PD forum ?:e_chick:

[Fifth_teletubbie]

If the 'system' is still the same as it was in previous rounds, there is nothing you can do.

It doesnt matter how much proof you have or how good it is, it will simply be ignored (I'm still convinced that 'reporting page' they had in R5 was routed directly to /null).


(Note that halfway through the round some high-profile planet or gal will be closed with much publicity to show that the 'multihunters' are on the job and cleanin' up!)

[Terminator2003]

hey leave my LDK friends alone!

they don't acc share!!

they don't multi!!

etc!

ofc they don't!

ps. on a more serious note; forget it, nothing will happen. i reported 5 ppl and didn't even get a reply

[MadeMan]

well as we all know those that get closed have to be reported by even more known ppl, and they only get closed for a week or so, and then are reopened -_-

[Toop]

Multis don't get deleted and that's it.

[bagg]

what a crock of sh|t

they closed me


and i never cheated fs

[Kalle]

any infos from Prince????

c´mon .. we are waiting :e_chick:

[-QS-]

It is like the death penalty, killing one innocent it is worse then leaving ten guilty alone...

[bagg]

prince seems to have closed me for account sharing

how rough


seeing as i gave my password to no-one

this comes as quite a shock

[xtothez]

Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie
(Note that halfway through the round some high-profile planet or gal will be closed with much publicity to show that the 'multihunters' are on the job and cleanin' up!)

I've been trying to report a cheating high ranked gal containing a high-ranked cheater for over a week now, with sufficient evidence to scare Johnny Cochrane off the case. I've yet to see a shred of evidence of anything being done, while these planets continue to attack away and ruin other peoples round despite the fact that they should have been closed on day 1.

I know you're scared of fking up a decision on cheaters in public again Prince, but this is just stupid.

[Prince]

Originally posted by xtothez
with sufficient evidence to scare Johnny Cochrane off the case.

Who?

[JC]

A planet in my gal account swapped several times. But alas proof in IRC logs, conflicting IP addresses from different countries of the person under control of the account etc dont appear to be sufficient proof to have him closed :|.

Thankfully the latest owner of the account self-exciled and got roided down to ~180k .




(lo Cyanide)

[hAl]

Prince, for example I think you finally might have closed 11:2 after a month in the round or so for instance but non of the planets using 11:2 as their farm/support gal.

Also theri are at least 3 to 5 other full support gals (some of which no doubt funtioned as farm gals early on in the round) who are still out there who are still open. I wonder why none of them were caught cause I know for certain those are gals do not consist of all individual players operating that many planets just for helping out their 'buddies'.

hAl

[xtothez]

Originally posted by Prince

Please.

• Multiple news scans showing the same tiny random planets defending the same (top10) person over and over, with 2-3mins between launches suggesting the same person launching all fleets. This is not just once, but everyone time he is attacked, and the fleets are only sent when he is online.
• The same evidence only with an entire private gal containing tiny planets defending the person in question, with evidence to suggest that this gal has been used as a personal farm gal for these cheaters (virtually confirmed by pa dump roidloss history in the early ticks).
• Threads posted on these very boards before news scans showing the planet in question using small planets as podless escorts in attacks.
• Testimony from members of the accused' alliances and BG saying he and his gal cheats, and they have known for a while.
• And of course: <Prince|HO> 1 of xx:x{farm gal} has his{cheaters} ip

What exactly would you like, a written confession?

[Toop]

Originally posted by xtothez
blah blah

I second that.

[Prince]

your manged to completley miss my point
WHO is Johnny Cochrane

[hAl]

Originally posted by Prince
your manged to completley miss my point

I think it is you missing the point. Even the most blatant cheaters aren't closed. We rather have you commenting on that than making jokes about it...

hAl

[xtothez]

Originally posted by Prince
your manged to completley miss my point
WHO is Johnny Cochrane

The guy who got OJ off.

[gzambo]

times like this i miss zeus even thoug hspinner alwayws closes the top ranked cheaters at least zeus listened and did not try to be funny

[Ad0]

Maybee PA Crew have forgotten they are being payed to do a job this round ? the complete lack of support AND service this round suprises even me who has experienced round 1.

[Heartshunter]

their support exists of making jokes and making fun of their customers :/

[Zeus]

I like you dont know whats going on behind the scenes..so its kinda naieve to guess if someone should/shouldnt be delted.

I persume the creators are using the same criteria when closing accounts for breech of the rules and Im sure they are doing it as unbiased and vigiourious as the past.

If they not focusing on eliminating cheats, then I can understand if its because all focus is on round 10.

[Heartshunter]

I would like to think that they get evidence handed to them on a silver platter. Its not needed to "focus" on cheats, imo its little effort to close someone when the evidence is overwhelming.

There is simply not taken any action in regards to cheating, and its not only ruining peoples gameplay this round, but I know it will also affect the willingness and enthusiasm of people to play next round.

Guess its a pity, but to me a 28% of the people who played this round (see poll on the portal) and aren't going to play next round, is quite shocking. Part of that I'm sure is related to the attitude of the creators regarding cheating and their overall "customer service" this round.

Seeing Prince making jokes about valid complaints is quite embarrassing, not to mention amateuristic and doesn't do anything good to their already not so good image.

[KingGnome]

Evidence enough?

Both of these messages have been reported, of course - will he be closed?

From: planet in my gal (??:?:?) 30/04/2003 08:50 GMT
Subject: lol

lol mate, see u online .. still do not want to grant your acc to my frd?

Rgds, <censored>


From: planet in my gal (??:?:?) 23/04/2003 10:08 GMT
Subject: lol

lol mate this is <name censored> from last round .. if u r not playing actively anymore, one of former <alliance censored> mates would love to have some fun - <name censored> may be u remember him from last round. So pls let me know if u do not need your acc anymore and i will let him know.

Rgds, <censored>

[Scouse]

Originally posted by KingGnome

Rgds, <censored>

Must be Kjeldoran. Surely.

[xtothez]

Originally posted by Heartshunter

If I play round 10, it will be as nothing more than a scan planet (or at least its r10 equivalent), and even then I'd be playing for the benefit of my alliance over any 'fun' from the game itself. And its all for a very simple reason.
I've put alot of personal time into my PA account this round. I have 'worked' hard and was in a nice, solid top10 position befitting that. 2 weeks ago I lost that ranking and effectively all that work to a cheater. Now, normally that wouldn't be a problem. People who cheat are an everyday part of life, its not a fault of the game staff thenselves that these people signup and play. However, the way the case was handled has left me with no confidence whatsoever in those in charge here.

I discovered and reported this cheater days before he attacked me. I spoke to 2 creators, and was told there and then that there was evidence pointing to blatent cheating. Yet not only was the account left open for a further 10 days, but he was allowed to use all his extra accounts to his own ends, and mine and my allies detriment. Since he was closed I have found out that he had been reported multiple times by multiple people for exactly the same offences since the first week of the round. Not a single thing was done. He had not even been investigated, let alone closed. I see no reason to play a game where all my effort can be wiped out by someone with a few extra $$ to splash out on his own little escorts and farms, while the staff who are meant to stop this behaviour dont do a single ****ing thing until its too late.

Wakeup creators. You have a job to do, you're not doing it, and its costing you your customers. I for one wont miss this service when I go.

[KingGnome]

Originally posted by Scouse
Must be Kjeldoran. Surely.

who? :P

but no, its not

and I'm not a supporter of vigilante(sp?) justice - which is why I censored everything :P

[InTGuRu]

Originally posted by KingGnome
Another member of my galaxy approached my mate, who we had adopted as a scan planet, suggesting that he hand over his l/p to my galaxy member so someone would play it actively. Reported, of course.

The job of your friend was to provide scans for the galaxy. He was largely inactive and therefore not doing his job. His account was infact paied for by a fellow gal member who was under the assumption that he would be the galaxy scan planet and just the galaxy scan planet. However, it became apparant that your friend was not doing his job of providing scans to the galaxy and instead became extremely inactive and focused on his own planet. It was then suggested he give up that account to be taken over by someone who was not playing PA at that time. The planet would then revert back to its orginal function as a mere scan planet, nothing more. Yes, this is against the rules, however it is not such a great offense as it involves a tiny scan planet, in a tiny random galaxy, not doing much to affect the universe in general. You friend refused to give his account details and we did not try to persue it, it was left at that.

Knowing that, can I ask you, where was the rules broken? There was no account sharing or swapping with that planet. Yes there was the intent but it was never carried out.

As for your other accusations, I have no idea they were being carried out. I have never been approached asking for login details by anyone in the galaxy. Also, I don't appricate you posting such accusations of the person who is using fleets from muliple planets to flak for his planet. Perhaps you could ask him to explain, for all you know they are real life m8s, like two other planets in our galaxy who are neighbors. You should be grateful you got in this galaxy at all.

I also don't appricate you reporting me when I never broke the rules (no where in user agreement does it say 'do not plan a change of owners of a planet') after all the trouble I went through finding a galaxy for both of us to not leave you by yourself in the orginal a sh*t galaxy and don't forget where I wouldn't go in any galaxy that didn't take you as well.

You haven't been on IRC at all in the last month nor have you participated in defense/attacks for you alliance or galaxy but yet you feel it is your duty to destroy your own galaxy.


Note: The only thing I am guilty of is what is said in this quote. I don't know who the other people are or if the accusations are even true for them.

[KingGnome]

Originally posted by InTGuRu

...
Yes, this is against the rules
...

cheating is cheating is cheating. All cheaters should be deleted IMO

Originally posted by InTGuRu

Knowing that, can I ask you, where was the rules broken? There was no account sharing or swapping with that planet. Yes there was the intent but it was never carried out.

I reported the person who approached my m8 because if they are willing to cheat with him, chances are quite high they are willing to cheat with others.

Note that no rules were broken AFAIK only because, as we both stated, my friend refused to participate in cheating

Originally posted by InTGuRu

As for your other accusations, I have no idea they were being carried out. I have never been approached asking for login details by anyone in the galaxy.

I have, at no time, accused yourself of participating in the cheating

Originally posted by InTGuRu
Also, I don't appricate you posting such accusations of the person who is using fleets from muliple planets to flak for his planet. Perhaps you could ask him to explain, for all you know they are real life m8s, like two other planets in our galaxy who are neighbors. You should be grateful you got in this galaxy at all.

I AM grateful that I was offered a place in the galaxy. However, that does not make my galaxy members above the rules

Originally posted by InTGuRu

I also don't appricate you reporting me when I never broke the rules (no where in user agreement does it say 'do not plan a change of owners of a planet') after all the trouble I went through finding a galaxy for both of us to not leave you by yourself in the orginal a sh*t galaxy and don't forget where I wouldn't go in any galaxy that didn't take you as well.

I didnt report you - atleast, I didnt report the planet that you signed up with. But, perhaps given your final comment I did report you after all?

Originally posted by InTGuRu

yet you feel it is your duty to destroy your own galaxy.

I feel that it is my duty, as it should be for every single planetarion player to report those who they have reasonable suspiceons of cheating.

If it were not for the PA mails, I would have probably felt I had over reacted, but knowing that the planet from which the mails came, which I reported is currently home to someone who did not sign up to it is enough for me

Originally posted by InTGuRu

Note: The only thing I am guilty of is what is said in this quote. I don't know who the other people are or if the accusations are even true for them.

Does that mean that you sent the PA mails to me? From a planet that you did not sign up for?
Or perhaps I have mis-understood
[edit: I did mis-understand ]

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by InTGuRu
Knowing that, can I ask you, where was the rules broken? There was no account sharing or swapping with that planet. Yes there was the intent but it was never carried out.

Trying to cheat is as bad as cheating.

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by KingGnome
I feel that it is my duty, as it should be for every single planetarion player to report those who they have reasonable suspiceons of cheating.

Hear hear

[InTGuRu]

Originally posted by Gayle29uk
Trying to cheat is as bad as cheating.

if the account was being played by planet one person and given to someone else who was not even playing pa, how am I cheating? for faciliating the transfer? where is that stated in the user agreement?

[InTGuRu]

Originally posted by KingGnome
Does that mean that you sent the PA mails to me? From a planet that you did not sign up for?
Or perhaps I have mis-understood

I only quoted a small section of your intial post.

[KingGnome]

Originally posted by InTGuRu
I only quoted a small section of your intial post.

Oh, right, I see that now

I didnt seem to remember that being you... actually, I was pretty sure it was someone else :P

ah well, if you say it was you, I guess your right

[InTGuRu]

Originally posted by KingGnome
I didnt seem to remember that being you... actually, I was pretty sure it was someone else :P

ah well, if you say it was you, I guess your right

Right, I think I'll stop posting for a while....

[Ska]

w00t! this is my gal! rah!

...shows how much Ive been paying attention to PA.


side note: I dont blame Intguru for wanting a different scanner, that guy sucked

[Zeus]

Originally posted by InTGuRu
if the account was being played by planet one person and given to someone else who was not even playing pa, how am I cheating? for faciliating the transfer? where is that stated in the user agreement?

If player X signed up an account, got bored and didnt want to play anymore. Then proceeded to give player Y (who paid for the account orginally or just because hes the GC of his galaxy) the login/password details of the account. If this can be proved using the various tools, then player X account must be delted for disclosing login/password to another.

Player Y can NOT be delted for such an action unless it can be prooved player Y requested player X login/password. If no evidence that player Y requested the details then its entirly possible player X sent his login/password to player Y with the aim of getting him deleted.

Now, if player Y THEN proceeeds to give ANYONE (current PA player or not) the login & password of players X account, then without question BOTH accounts should be delted in accordance with the rules and acted on immediately once evidence recorded.

Hope this helps to explain....but perhaps not?

[G.K Zhukov]

We miss you Zeus

Its not like the hunting down of cheaters were good before, but now they seem even worse.

fx there is still no automatic tools that searches for obvious cheaters.. how hard can it be to code.

to Prince/Jolt: If I am ever to play PA again, I want proof that you have the tools and nerve to handle cheaters.. Not by doing nothing, and requiring more evidence than you need to get someone convicted for murder in rl fs.

[InTGuRu]

Originally posted by Zeus
If player X signed up an account, got bored and didnt want to play anymore. Then proceeded to give player Y (who paid for the account orginally or just because hes the GC of his galaxy) the login/password details of the account. If this can be proved using the various tools, then player X account must be delted for disclosing login/password to another.

Player Y can NOT be delted for such an action unless it can be prooved player Y requested player X login/password. If no evidence that player Y requested the details then its entirly possible player X sent his login/password to player Y with the aim of getting him deleted.

Now, if player Y THEN proceeeds to give ANYONE (current PA player or not) the login & password of players X account, then without question BOTH accounts should be delted in accordance with the rules and acted on immediately once evidence recorded.

Hope this helps to explain....but perhaps not?

Right...

[rnd|One]

Wait till next round.

[Kjeldoran]

Originally posted by Scouse
Must be Kjeldoran. Surely.

heh, I'm cheat clean this round Scouse

nice try though

rgds <sensored>, I mean Kj