Planetarion; round nine..

[Zitos]

Vom gives up, Nar goes on vacation.. No wonder why Weet will win - just by doing nothing..

"Its like playing a game off football against no one!"

[Scouse]

Well it's not been that easy.

They've still been up every night at ridiculous hours to catch the enemy off gaurd, they've still been logging into their planets to attack every day and defend their alliance mates (when necessarry) and their BC's and other command have still been putting plenty of hours of work in.


But apart from that you're pretty much right. It's been a relatively easy victory for WEET compared to other victories in the past.

[Psi_K]

Originally posted by Scouse
Well it's not been that easy.

They've still been up every night at ridiculous hours to catch the enemy off gaurd, they've still been logging into their planets to attack every day and defend their alliance mates (when necessarry) and their BC's and other command have still been putting plenty of hours of work in.


But apart from that you're pretty much right. It's been a relatively easy victory for WEET compared to other victories in the past.

You forgot
"It's extremely easy when it's a one sided fight ... twice in a row"

[L0n3w0lf]

Originally posted by Scouse
Well it's not been that easy.

They've still been up every night at ridiculous hours to catch the enemy off gaurd, they've still been logging into their planets to attack every day and defend their alliance mates (when necessarry) and their BC's and other command have still been putting plenty of hours of work in.


But apart from that you're pretty much right. It's been a relatively easy victory for WEET compared to other victories in the past.

in the past there was more ppl playing PA and weet planets score range is about 3mil-22mill.
while nar and vvomm planets range is about 500k-9mill

at those ratios weet know they have won this round and are staying together to keep it like that

[God]

Originally posted by Zitos
Vom gives up, Nar goes on vacation.. No wonder why Weet will win - just by doing nothing..

"Its like playing a game off football against no one!"

Vvom didnt gave up....where ppl get these strange ideas....

[Bobzeh]

Originally posted by Zitos
"Its like playing a game off football against no one!"

Dull and pointless yet the only side remaining are too scared to play a game against each other as they may suffer an injury or two?

[Scouse]

Originally posted by L0n3w0lf
in the past there was more ppl playing PA and weet planets score range is about 3mil-22mill.
while nar and vvomm planets range is about 500k-9mill

at those ratios weet know they have won this round and are staying together to keep it like that

Yes. And?

Everything I said is still correct. As is the suggestion that they've had it easy.

Noone can come up with a better excuse for WEET to break up other than to make everyone but WEET happy. And WEET don't care about that. Why should they?


They should break up for the good of PA, but a round only lasts so long. I'm sure everyone in your position at the moment, will be doing everything with their power (and within game rules) next round to make sure they don't get away with it again.

[lokken]

r9 is gg'd.

May as well just pack up now. Any reasonable action that could be undertaken wouldn't last long, then we'd be back to the status quo.

WEET has been gifted the win regardless of the situation. Given to them on a plate.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Psi_K
You forgot
"It's extremely easy when it's a one sided fight ... twice in a row"

I think that was his point.

Originally posted by God
Vvom didnt gave up....where ppl get these strange ideas....

By the fact that after about 2 days of incoming vom people were giving up. And the fact that they are still posting on the forums about how they were "killed" and "Taken out of the round" when in fact all they were was set back a week and a half by heavy incoming. Something that shouldnt kill or take out any alliance.

Originally posted by lokken
r9 is gg'd.

May as well just pack up now. Any reasonable action that could be undertaken wouldn't last long, then we'd be back to the status quo.

WEET has been gifted the win regardless of the situation. Given to them on a plate.

There is still a move or two left in the round, the usual messy moves I suppose. Blocks breaking up is always a mess. But I cant see avoiding it at this point. Weet are almost out of targets.

But as you said, after the breakup, there will be some fighting, a couple of weeks perhaps, then things will slow, and we will be in the same place we are now in 3-4 weeks at the very most.

That is the nature of planetarion. Planetarion will always stagnate at some point. The same thing would happen if every allaince went alone. The same thing would happen after a war that was less one sided.

Its so odd, people are actually saying that bashing is a new thing in this game. People were bashed in rd 1. I was bashed in rd 2. People get bashed in every round. Its how pa works.

It would be nice if the game worked in a way that it was reset when the action was over. Because, contrary to popular opinion. This game is too unpredictable to design before hand. Its a crap shoot, and setting up the right situation for a full round of combat is like building a house of cards.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Scouse

They should break up for the good of PA, but a round only lasts so long. I'm sure everyone in your position at the moment, will be doing everything with their power (and within game rules) next round to make sure they don't get away with it again.

A vicious circle that needs to stop. This is what creates the blocks, when certain alliances gun for other certain alliances. I doubt it'll ever stop, but imo if there was one thing I could change it would be the political fluidity. I wouldnt mind working with several partners throughout the round, even if they were "enemies" previously.

The Fury/Xanadu war got boring after awhile. If PA starts in the vicious circle again then I dont hold much hope for it.

[Wandows]

Originally posted by K-W
By the fact that after about 2 days of incoming vom people were giving up. And the fact that they are still posting on the forums about how they were "killed" and "Taken out of the round" when in fact all they were was set back a week and a half by heavy incoming. Something that shouldnt kill or take out any alliance.

a week and a half of heavy roiding and no peace either after isn´t exactly really easy to recover from... considering we were roided down to 60 - 300 (if very lucky) roids and thhe full incoming on every allied gal for 1.5 weeks doesn´t leave much room for anything does it? considering u loose the roids u gain + more next day again cuz there is nowhere any def avaible..... but ofcourse that is hardly any problem to overcome..... Ur alliance would have done fine under those circumstances and would be back to top by now, or atleast reasonable size...... Maybe its time u face some reality?

[Edit] Ow and before u even think of saying that we shouldn+´t give up that fast..... i ain´t and neither is most of my alliance.... its just fighting a lost cause atm with the incoming. And if u get over ~120 roids u´ll most likely get incoming, and most times of a planet around the max target limit of 20% (thus ~5 times ur size). That doesn´t leave to much room for growing or am i missing certain things or leet tactics to avoid this from happening?

Proud to be Vision and vvomm[/edit]

[K-W]

Originally posted by Wandows
a week and a half of heavy roiding and no peace either after isn´t exactly really easy to recover from... considering we were roided down to 60 - 300 (if very lucky) roids and thhe full incoming on every allied gal for 1.5 weeks doesn´t leave much room for anything does it? considering u loose the roids u gain + more next day again cuz there is nowhere any def avaible..... but ofcourse that is hardly any problem to overcome..... Ur alliance would have done fine under those circumstances and would be back to top by now, or atleast reasonable size...... Maybe its time u face some reality?

[Edit] Ow and before u even think of saying that we shouldn+´t give up that fast..... i ain´t and neither is most of my alliance.... i just fighting a lost cause atm with the incoming if u get over ~120 roids, and most times of a planet around the max target limit of 20% (thus ~5 times ur size) doesn´t leave to much room for growing or am i missing certain things here?

Proud to be Vision and vvomm[/edit]

Well the no peace after part is tricky. THe fact that vom didnt work with nar by choice had alot to do with that.

[Wandows]

Originally posted by K-W
Well the no peace after part is tricky. THe fact that vom didnt work with nar by choice had alot to do with that.

hmm i think the problem was that most of vvomm was inactive by then cuz of the never stopping roid raids on us and simply couldn´t be arsed anymore.... sad but true..... but with our size/coorperation/activty and the NaR fighting spirit (or atleast a part of it.... Lo fencesitters/ a certain alliance.....) i doubt it could have made a inpact.... things were jsut to dead already in vvomm dispite a part still fighting or atleast trying to

[God]

Originally posted by K-W
I think that was his point.



By the fact that after about 2 days of incoming vom people were giving up. And the fact that they are still posting on the forums about how they were "killed" and "Taken out of the round" when in fact all they were was set back a week and a half by heavy incoming. Something that shouldnt kill or take out any alliance.



There is still a move or two left in the round, the usual messy moves I suppose. Blocks breaking up is always a mess. But I cant see avoiding it at this point. Weet are almost out of targets.

But as you said, after the breakup, there will be some fighting, a couple of weeks perhaps, then things will slow, and we will be in the same place we are now in 3-4 weeks at the very most.

That is the nature of planetarion. Planetarion will always stagnate at some point. The same thing would happen if every allaince went alone. The same thing would happen after a war that was less one sided.

Its so odd, people are actually saying that bashing is a new thing in this game. People were bashed in rd 1. I was bashed in rd 2. People get bashed in every round. Its how pa works.

It would be nice if the game worked in a way that it was reset when the action was over. Because, contrary to popular opinion. This game is too unpredictable to design before hand. Its a crap shoot, and setting up the right situation for a full round of combat is like building a house of cards.

Was it an official stand of any of vvom HC´s? a few players that were unhappy with the game...honestly u should know better , a state of an alliance is not determined by some threads or posts made without any HC underline or perhaps permission.

vvom is still playing , and that i can garantee.

Play the game , and dont come here like u were some planetarion expert...

[Terminator2003]

this game is full of sad geeks who stop playing cause they have had a red button on their screen for some weeks and a small amount of roids.. just 3 numbers.. some 2 digit number of roids. its kinda ghey and pathetic imo but hey.. who am i..

fighting spirit...

skill..

such expensive words for a cheap game like PA, with cheap players!

[Terminator2003]

ps. can all the cheaters, farmers (lo Cimmeria) stop posting their hypocrite lameneess

and why put [cimmeria] in your sig. thats the gal that was cheating and caught!
pfffff

[God]

Originally posted by Terminator2003
ps. can all the cheaters, farmers (lo Cimmeria) stop posting their hypocrite lameneess

and why put [cimmeria] in your sig. thats the gal that was cheating and caught!
pfffff

...

go wash ur mouth when speaking of Cimmeria. Your not worthy of having such a word spoken by you.

[Scouse]

Originally posted by Zh|l
A vicious circle that needs to stop. This is what creates the blocks, when certain alliances gun for other certain alliances. I doubt it'll ever stop, but imo if there was one thing I could change it would be the political fluidity. I wouldnt mind working with several partners throughout the round, even if they were "enemies" previously.

I'm afraid that's just the way it goes. I can't ever see that changing. It's the way of the world in everything, not just PA.

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Scouse
I'm afraid that's just the way it goes. I can't ever see that changing. It's the way of the world in everything, not just PA.

Thus everyone should really stop moaning about blocks, they are inevitable as long as emotions control politics nowadays.

[Ska]

eh, no one cares anymore...or at least, shouldnt care. I stay around because of these new fangled emoticons

:e_chick: :e_bunny: :e_chick: :e_bunny: :e_chick:

[Zitos]

For all of you who didnt notice: This thread was nothing but a big flame to all of you who dont dare to fight.. So far I havnt had a signle attack on my planet.. Not a single one.. I havn't lost a signle ship, not even a pod.. I dont want to play a game like that.. Sadly this game have turned in to some thing difrent from that war-game i once enjoyed to play..

Cyas..
- Zitos, out!

[Sergio]

Originally posted by Zitos
Vom gives up, Nar goes on vacation.. No wonder why Weet will win - just by doing nothing..

"Its like playing a game off football against no one!"

Oh please. VVOMM gave up fighting while NAR+WEET were together.
Once they split, we started fighting again in the hope that a fight between NaR and WEET would give us time to recover from the utterly roided state NARWEET put us in. We never imagined that the WEET vs. NaR fight would end so quick.
I still refuse to believe WEET can win a round that easily. I firmly believe that NaR + VVoMM can make WEET tremble. I don't wait for WEET to split, and I don't want them to split. It's sad to see that NaR believes the only way of having a good fight is by getting WEET to split. Their move has put us in a very dangerous position, as VVOMM can't take WEET alone, and can't help but getting roided.
All in all, NaR has made it's second BIG mistake this round. the first one was to NAP with WEET for so long, the second is to leave VVoMM alone to fight WEET, or better, to get roided by WEET again.

[G.K Zhukov]

Some parts of WEET will win, not becouse they are brilliant, but becouse the others are political n00bs.

TO SPELL IT OUT TO SOME PEOPLE; SPECIALLY THE HC's of NAR; YOUR SO DUMB IDIOTS, its fuc**** unbelivabel.

Sorry, but some had to say it.

[K-W]

Originally posted by God
Was it an official stand of any of vvom HC´s? a few players that were unhappy with the game...honestly u should know better , a state of an alliance is not determined by some threads or posts made without any HC underline or perhaps permission.

vvom is still playing , and that i can garantee.

Play the game , and dont come here like u were some planetarion expert...

Erm, did I ever say it was anyone official stance?

Play the game and dont come in here until you learn to read.

I think that players coming on the forums stating opinions and attitudes is an indicator of the attitudes of players in thoes allainces. I dont think thats much of a stretch, and thats all I said.

[RooKie]

I spend a lot more time on my 1,5 mill score planet now, than when our gal was ranked top 3. Will be getting loads of roids tonight in a few ticks and most WEET cant steal them since I am so small.

Funny aint it?

[Wandows]

Originally posted by RooKie
I spend a lot more time on my 1,5 mill score planet now, than when our gal was ranked top 3. Will be getting loads of roids tonight in a few ticks and most WEET cant steal them since I am so small.

Funny aint it?

oi! wanna join my "lol they can't roids us" club? :P

[Zitos]

Originally posted by Sergio
- snip -

If you had looked upon your self (vom), you would have imagined the weet vs. nar war end exactly as quik as it did.. You overestimated nar, underestimated weet - for a whole round.. If you had keept on fighting all the way along, insted of just sitting down and waiting on weet to turn on nar - you might have stod a chanse if you had allied nar, earlier on.. Then again, you guys where to 'pure' to ever allie any one..

And dont come and blame your bad round - upon nar.. Cause there is realy no one other than your self to blame for your choises.. And if you cant stand to lose, then dont play at all..

[hAl]

Originally posted by Scouse
Well it's not been that easy.

They've still been up every night at ridiculous hours to catch the enemy off gaurd, they've still been logging into their planets to attack every day and defend their alliance mates (when necessarry) and their BC's and other command have still been putting plenty of hours of work in.


But apart from that you're pretty much right. It's been a relatively easy victory for WEET compared to other victories in the past.

r7 was simularly easy for ffllttvvrr

hAl

[Legator]

Originally posted by K-W
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But as you said, after the breakup, there will be some fighting, a couple of weeks perhaps, then things will slow, and we will be in the same place we are now in 3-4 weeks at the very most.

That is the nature of planetarion. Planetarion will always stagnate at some point. The same thing would happen if every allaince went alone. The same thing would happen after a war that was less one sided.

well, i bet its for the most of players a big differense if the round stagnates after 3 weeks or 7 weeks.

also of course planetarion stagnates at one point. its just the HOW it happened. and this round was stagnated by ppl who are have egos as big as mountains but brains as big as peanuts.

EVERYONE with a bit brain could see weeks before tick 1 what will happen.

if a round stagnates 3 to 4 weeks or less to their end its ok. but not after 3 weeks.

more ppl quit etc and a the biggest nail into pa´s corpse was made. and dont come now with the stupid apoligize "thats the game etc". thats not the game, at least not nowadays.

get a clue. think a bit more about the general thing...maybe you will see what happened.

[Gerbie]

Originally posted by Zitos
If you had looked upon your self (vom), you would have imagined the weet vs. nar war end exactly as quik as it did.. You overestimated nar, underestimated weet - for a whole round.. If you had keept on fighting all the way along, insted of just sitting down and waiting on weet to turn on nar - you might have stod a chanse if you had allied nar, earlier on.. Then again, you guys where to 'pure' to ever allie any one..

And dont come and blame your bad round - upon nar.. Cause there is realy no one other than your self to blame for your choises.. And if you cant stand to lose, then dont play at all..

So it's VoM's fault? They only had to ask NaR to break the NAP and join their side? Hmm.

[Zitos]

Originally posted by Gerbie
So it's vom's fault? They only had to ask nar to break the nap and join their side? Hmm..

"yeah!"

Dont be a stick.. You undersotd perfectly what i ment..

[K-W]

Originally posted by Legator
well, i bet its for the most of players a big differense if the round stagnates after 3 weeks or 7 weeks.

also of course planetarion stagnates at one point. its just the HOW it happened. and this round was stagnated by ppl who are have egos as big as mountains but brains as big as peanuts.

EVERYONE with a bit brain could see weeks before tick 1 what will happen.

if a round stagnates 3 to 4 weeks or less to their end its ok. but not after 3 weeks.

more ppl quit etc and a the biggest nail into pa´s corpse was made. and dont come now with the stupid apoligize "thats the game etc". thats not the game, at least not nowadays.

get a clue. think a bit more about the general thing...maybe you will see what happened.

You are completely missing the point. It would be extremely difficult for a neutral person with full control over everything to setup a round that would last a long time. And you are expecting alliances who only control thier own moves to be able to do it. Its not like each alliance gets 2 choices "long war" and "short war" Each alliance can only make the decisions that come to them firs off, which limits moves alot. There are only so many opportunities. Plus they have to walk that line. Getting too many allies has the exact same effect on the game as getting too few. Something I think people miss. So you try to get just enough allies to give yourself a good shot. Meanwhile there are alliances out there that dont concern themselves with fair shots and try to win, so youve got to make sure they dont get too much stronger than you.

Its extremely difficult and basically a crapshoot. So acting as if allaince HC's get to simply choose good or bad rounds is terribly niave.

[Ohm]

Originally posted by K-W


Its so odd, people are actually saying that bashing is a new thing in this game. People were bashed in rd 1. I was bashed in rd 2. People get bashed in every round. Its how pa works.

huh. Previous rounds are uncomparable in regards to bashing.

Fewer players and more bashing = even fewer players


Pull your head out of your ass, and think before you talk.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Ohm
huh. Previous rounds are uncomparable in regards to bashing.

Fewer players and more bashing = even fewer players


Pull your head out of your ass, and think before you talk.

Huh? Previous rounds are uncomparable? What is wrong with you people. What is this stupid notion that this is some special different round of PA where all the rules change. Bashing is the same as its always been. Yes being bashed is demoralizing. Yes the game would be better without it.

Im not arguing its good, just that, contrary to what some seem to imply, weet didnt invent bashing in rd9. Nor is it something that only comes from powerblocks. Bashing is something that will always happen in this game as long as its in its current form. No group, round, type of player has any monopoly on bashing.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Rumad
No you never invented it, you simply proliferated it and killed the round. Excellent!

You cant proliferate something that everyone already does anyway.

[wubanger]

I don't think it's right to blame any side in this rounds war for stagnation. WEET had a goal this round and are achieving it with relative ease, does that make them evil? No

Stagnation is related to the amt of active planets in a round combined with the political situation of the universe. For one side, that means your going to win, for the other side, it means you're going to get dealt with by whatever means necessary, being bashing, political out maneuvering or whatever else alliances come up with.

As a VvomM HC, I can easily accept what fate has dealt my alliance Ministry this round, and I have little problem with it. I knew what I was getting into entering a block war and it's basically always a bash or be bashed situation. The enemy of your ally is your enemy, etc and given that it was pretty certain nar would probably be hostile. Even if that was not the case, with WEET's numbers as a block, why would NAR be obligated to join us to help even it out a bit? They aren't and it certainly wasn't in their best short term interests anyway to get into a long fight if they wished to win inho.

The main point of this statement is, nobody likes the scenario but it's up to individual alliances to do something bold and different if they want to create a better game for their members. Some alliances thrive in a universe like this and are made for it. For those that aren't, moaning about tactics we are all familiar with and often use ourselves isn't going to change a thing, and neither is blaming someone for something you'd do yourself if you were in a political position to do so and it was in your best interests.

Rnd 10 is supposed to bring new things to pa, whether or not you bring the same old crap over from the past is up to you. I know my alliance won't be joining any block since we aren't obligated to, that wont make us l33t or special or whatever, but it will bring less stress and more fun back to the ppl that trust me to make quality decisions for them, my alliance members. That doesn't mean the rest of you HC's or influential ppl out there have to do things our way, but if you're so fed up with things you may want to have a think on what you can do to make the game fun for you and yours again.

[Cochese]

Planetarion Round 9: Perpetual Dissapointment

[Ohm]

Originally posted by K-W
Huh? Previous rounds are uncomparable?

Uncomparable regarding to size.

.....and size matters

[Morden]

Originally posted by Cochese
Planetarion Round 9: Perpetual Dissapointment

Planetarion Round 9: Different Shades of S h i t e

is probably closer to the truth ;-)

[Cicada]

i just love the fact that by the end of this round Fury will have won again, and WP/Ely + Nar got played by them for their own gain, and they're going to come out the losers just as much as Vom did...

same old same old it seems....

you';d have think they'd have learned from r5..guess not

[Not_RIT]

Originally posted by Rumad
Now you know its not fury it just has 3 former fury hc's a load of fury officers and 50% ex fury members. Clearly they have followed no precedent and this is allnew and exciting in pa.
[/END SARCASM]

Rumad! What have I told you about sarcasm? There is no possible way you can compare Eclipse to Fury. I mean it has 25% ex-Xanadu members! And hardly any ex-Fury at all *cough*, its a totaly different alliance, look! It even has a different name!! And different channels!! And theres no Sid!! YES NO SID!!! AND THEIR HC HAS HAIR! HAIR FFS! HAIR!!!!

[sigrid]

Originally posted by Scouse
Well it's not been that easy.

They've still been up every night at ridiculous hours to catch the enemy off gaurd, they've still been logging into their planets to attack every day and defend their alliance mates (when necessarry) and their BC's and other command have still been putting plenty of hours of work in.


But apart from that you're pretty much right. It's been a relatively easy victory for WEET compared to other victories in the past.

Its indeed not to hard to wait untill the non weet members in your weetgals are ofline so you can roid them and tell your members not to defend.

[AlbinoSquirrel]

Originally posted by Rumad
Now you know its not fury it just has 3 former fury hc's a load of fury officers and 50% ex fury members. Clearly they have followed no precedent and this is allnew and exciting in pa.
[/END SARCASM]

Gee, there's another alliance that bull**** like that was said about...let me try and think which one...

People who hold to that line of idiocy are quite possibly one of the major reasons that PA gets shafted over and over again. They won't let go of their past grudges and biases.

[NIN]

Originally posted by RooKie
I spend a lot more time on my 1,5 mill score planet now, than when our gal was ranked top 3. Will be getting loads of roids tonight in a few ticks and most WEET cant steal them since I am so small.

Funny aint it?

lol...hey rookie..

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Rumad
Actually that sarcastic reply was constructed from replies made by zhil/focht and germania - go figure....

heh

or maybe you are just a utter twat.

I'd rather go with that option. Eclipse isnt Fury. When will people realize that? Just like FAnG wasn't CELL. Alliances are what they are. The only 'common' thing has been the fact Eclipse has ex-Fury. Woohoo.

Grow up Rumad.

Grow up the entire of AD in presuming this is a Fury thing. It isn't and its about time you all came to realize this. I know you all miss Fury but isn't it time to stop looking for it?

[Zh|l]

Originally posted by Rumad
Zhil i wont bring the other thread into this one, but simply you cannot escape your herritage, however you try and gloss over it.

aslo a bit tetchy aren't you?

Everyone has a view, mine is just as valid as yours, just cause we differ in opinion doesnt mean you have to drop to gutter level.

I thinkw ehave to agree to disagree.

Btw FAnG was a ex legion hc, me, a ex armada hc and a ex nG hc. Hardly a 60% split now is it?

I'm touchy because you are joining in the spout crap brigade. All in all I decided to ignore the "Do not feed the trolls" sign.

I cannot escape my history - I was a Fury member through thick and thin (although not an ideal member by a long shot, there are things I regret not doing in Fury).

However for you to pin Eclipse as Fury is just insulting to me. You have NOTHING to support that bar the history of people involved in it. Nothing has been so-called "Fury tactics"

Just admit your insecurity in this game Rumad. You have to have something to focus your unhappiness in the game, and now Fury is gone you have to dig it up and paint it on which alliance has a core of ex-Fury.

Eclipse is not Fury. Its about time you came to realize that. And thats not opinion, thats fact.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Ohm
Uncomparable regarding to size.

.....and size matters

By your argument no round of PA is like any other. odd then that the politics and military have been very similar and predicatable. The size is a factor. It doesnt change the fact that everything else is the same.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Cicada
i just love the fact that by the end of this round Fury will have won again, and WP/Ely + Nar got played by them for their own gain, and they're going to come out the losers just as much as Vom did...

same old same old it seems....

you';d have think they'd have learned from r5..guess not

Clueless, absolutely clueless. Its sad that people who've been in this game so long can have absolutely no idea how it works.

Fury is gone. Deal with that first.
Then deal with the fact that neither Fury, nor eclipse, nor anyone are superhero's. We dont have magical powers. We dont have anymore ability to manipulate the universe than anyone else.

Its so funny. Fury and legion developed a mistique in early rounds that some poor sods still buy into.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Rumad
I cna understand you feel you have found and created a new home. However tectics, memberbase and actions dictate how people perceive you. It might be a very different place from what you have seen internally, from my perspective as a "outside" there is no difference.

It was always gonna happen when ex fury hc's run ex-fury members supporting similar decisions.

You forget that your perceptions have alot to do with your biases too. Eclipse contains no Fury HC's, there was only one of those. And ex-Fury arent any different than any other allaince members.

[K-W]

Originally posted by Rumad
Forgetting the rest partially true, but also you have to remember germania that these actions from previous round dictated those rounds as current politcs do. I actually think round 6 is a apt example and one which follows the politics pretty precisely. It was a precendent set by then Fury and Legion.

I see no difference with the way the politics have worked this round.

Its quite simple Rumad. this is not a complicated game. the pope could be running an allaince, it would still look pretty similar to previous rounds. The things you see only stick out if you go in biased against Fury and Eclipse. Eclipses actions match alot of allainces in the past.