Planetarion Forums - Cath roid fleets

Silva baby · 10 Nov 2002, 12:39

i prefer more Black Widows

Gayle29uk · 10 Nov 2002, 13:14

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Originally posted by Silva baby
i prefer more Black Widows

So do I, stops my pulsars just sitting there

Ultimate Newbie · 10 Nov 2002, 14:31

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Originally posted by Gayle28uk

So do I, stops my pulsars just sitting there

really? Stunned Pulsars arent very efficient killers, you know

and if your CO are stunned too, so Arrowheads cant kill spids / beetles then all the more frustrating for a Xan.

Plus BW are useful against other races, Terran (Chimera/Gryphon/Phoenix) and ZIkonian (Marauder / Cutter?)

and of course, the dreaded Vulture and Astropod :P

Edit: and just before you get all ****y with your reply, i know BW dont target Pulsars, but if the BW stop your Beetles from dying due to CO fire then its effectively the same, as you'll have to stun the Pulsars anyway, regardless if you send FR or not.

Ska · 10 Nov 2002, 19:31

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Originally posted by Silva baby
i prefer more Black Widows

Im Im a fairly large fan of them too..but I have a pet peeve about building my fleet up in stages heheh

Silva baby · 11 Nov 2002, 10:29

i have a peeve about that too
i am yet to start on my god damn tulas
i prefer a solid number of beetles and roaches with bw's
say currently
2k widows
3k roaches
6k beetles?

beetles and widows work effectively to cover 3 classes simaltanously whilst Spiders fill in the gap that thye miss~

thomas4 · 11 Nov 2002, 12:33

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Originally posted by Silva baby
i have a peeve about that too
i am yet to start on my god damn tulas
i prefer a solid number of beetles and roaches with bw's
say currently
2k widows
3k roaches
6k beetles?

beetles and widows work effectively to cover 3 classes simaltanously whilst Spiders fill in the gap that thye miss~

there are no spids in the fleet u just posted. Dont want to nag or nething

Thats a good fleet tho, in ratios. For me as a zik it would b difficult to get either with a fr or a de fleet past ure fleet. However, if u dont have spids, i would just send some CO flak

(not that i build CO, but i have some left)

12 Nov 2002, 08:25

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Originally posted by Ska

they are the easiest, yeah...mind you I just started playing 3 weeks ago (was inactive for first part of round) and if I had started from the beginning the fleet would look a little different.

for an inactive player for most of the round so far you have a quite big fleet dude.

12 Nov 2002, 16:39

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Originally posted by Gayle28uk

I'm smaller than you but it'll cost you 7 million resources for a 14% cap (about 170 roids) over 3 ticks...

Can you tell I'm bored?

fair enough.. thats 3.x k score per roid which is just fine...

MrLobster · 12 Nov 2002, 17:35

Roachs have been my most fav Cath unit.

Since TE and CA have gone BIG DE/CR Pod fleets, the roach is a god in unit circles.

Silva baby · 13 Nov 2002, 09:56

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Originally posted by thomas4

there are no spids in the fleet u just posted. Dont want to nag or nething

Thats a good fleet tho, in ratios. For me as a zik it would b difficult to get either with a fr or a de fleet past ure fleet. However, if u dont have spids, i would just send some CO flak (not that i build CO, but i have some left)

sendin co is stupid because if i added spiders and roaches it would just get frozen all over again

Ska · 13 Nov 2002, 18:31

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Originally posted by Hurz

for an inactive player for most of the round so far you have a quite big fleet dude.

My galaxy rocks...they donated me enough to get a lot of roids init the first day I came back active; then I went n00b hunting. I was 1.5 mill with 500 roids after a few days.

Ska · 13 Nov 2002, 18:34

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Originally posted by Silva baby

sendin co is stupid because if i added spiders and roaches it would just get frozen all over again

well, spiders shoot first , so if you have spiders to freeze the CO, black widows can focus on the frigates. Not to mention spiders are in high demand for def... I know i send some out to defend against xan incomming nightly.

Silva baby · 14 Nov 2002, 10:25

very true spiders are in hot demand as main co/fi freezer after the beetle~
keke onli two
but nice ships for defence i musta dmit

Ska · 14 Nov 2002, 10:31

A spider/beetle/roach def fleet will make you someones hero for the night...

Silva baby · 14 Nov 2002, 11:10

pld save alot of people specially spiders and beetles
ob defend and able to freeze whole fleetes
who is the biggest cath in the round anyway? =p

Ska · 15 Nov 2002, 09:43

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Originally posted by Silva baby
pld save alot of people specially spiders and beetles
ob defend and able to freeze whole fleetes
who is the biggest cath in the round anyway? =p

Scouse maybe?

15 Nov 2002, 15:01

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Originally posted by black-eyed boy
And tarants are totally useless against fighters.

No way is that true. Since all EMP shots hit (have 100% accuracy), they can own anything. The only way to avoid it is EMP resistance, which fighters typically have very little of. Tarants are great, because they are the only EMP ship which can target everything, and they have the same ETA as Black Widows/Pods. Also why I build a collection of Scorps, as they can fire before the Tarants. You get the idea

Tarants > Fighters

Ultimate Newbie · 15 Nov 2002, 20:36

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Originally posted by Black_Doom_

No way is that true. Since all EMP shots hit (have 100% accuracy), they can own anything. The only way to avoid it is EMP resistance, which fighters typically have very little of. Tarants are great, because they are the only EMP ship which can target everything, and they have the same ETA as Black Widows/Pods. Also why I build a collection of Scorps, as they can fire before the Tarants. You get the idea

Tarants > Fighters

I tend to disagree.

FI have ALOT of EMP resistance per reosurce, and besides, even if they had an EMP resistance of 0 you could still only stun 6 FI (tarants have 6 guns) which is at most 9k resources, compared to the normal 1.5 pegs or whatever they stun these days (some 18k resources - twice as efficient). 1.5 pegs is a conservative estimate (i cant actually remmeber what a Tarant stuns anymore! my mind is failing me...... please will somone help?

please?

damn.

Silva baby · 16 Nov 2002, 06:28

i tend to think Tulas targtted cr and de i fink? and then all?
not sure
but anyway i agree with the dude above the eta advantage really makes Tulas worth using

CamelToe · 16 Nov 2002, 19:34

Widowmaker 1403
Tarantula 1051 Avenger 1213
Mantis 172 Guardian 334
Scorpion 500

My current CR roiding fleet. Yes, its expensive to launch, but it pretty scary and hard to defend against. The only real way to stop me is with mass sentinels, which in a tight situation may be hard to come by (even with the 4 hours you have to gather universal defense).

And whoever says CR roiding fleets don't work... just go ask Kosh (TTTT) what he thinks about that.

Silva baby · 17 Nov 2002, 07:12

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Originally posted by CamelToe
Widowmaker 1403
Tarantula 1051 Avenger 1213
Mantis 172 Guardian 334
Scorpion 500

My current CR roiding fleet. Yes, its expensive to launch, but it pretty scary and hard to defend against. The only real way to stop me is with mass sentinels, which in a tight situation may be hard to come by (even with the 4 hours you have to gather universal defense).

And whoever says CR roiding fleets don't work... just go ask Kosh (TTTT) what he thinks about that.

thats wat i mean
utlising Widowmakers keke jsut the ma
pity i um lost htem all yesterday

Ska · 18 Nov 2002, 17:57

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Originally posted by Silva baby

thats wat i mean
utlising Widowmakers keke jsut the ma
pity i um lost htem all yesterday

Tad drunk Silva? Or just have an accute case of Queen Dax syndrom?

18 Nov 2002, 20:10

I have been having alot of succes with just Pods and BW's... especially against other cath players...
agains every one else, i just add beetles and roaches as needed

thomas4 · 18 Nov 2002, 22:46

hmm yeah that would only b effective against cath, attacking other races would force them to send along other ships to block other than Fr and Co shooting @ their precious frigs.

Silva baby · 18 Nov 2002, 23:03

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Originally posted by Ska

Tad drunk Silva? Or just have an accute case of Queen Dax syndrom?

me? nah just tired 2 hours sleep tonight

Silva baby · 18 Nov 2002, 23:04

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Originally posted by thomas4
hmm yeah that would only b effective against cath, attacking other races would force them to send along other ships to block other than Fr and Co shooting @ their precious frigs.

cathaare are easier to ob cause some of htme only have avengers and tulas and not alot of widows so u just ob them

Ultimate Newbie · 19 Nov 2002, 20:43

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Originally posted by Silva baby

cathaare are easier to ob cause some of htme only have avengers and tulas and not alot of widows so u just ob them

eeerm... how does attacking them on overburn help? Avengers and Tarants both have T3=all, and against some units the Avengers is particulary painful (unless you are a zik and send along a coupla hundred thousand Corsairs, as they target CR and are difficult to waste). OB does little than to just roid inactive planets in a galaxy - it brings you less roids (granted less losses overall, but more losses per roid).

As CO defence, you want caths to build BW - Spiders are slightly more efficient against CO, plus my fleet is Pulsar heavy (anti Peg), thus its easier to kill the BW than FI.

thomas4 · 19 Nov 2002, 21:31

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Originally posted by Ultimate Newbie

eeerm... how does attacking them on overburn help? Avengers and Tarants both have T3=all, and against some units the Avengers is particulary painful (unless you are a zik and send along a coupla hundred thousand Corsairs, as they target CR and are difficult to waste). OB does little than to just roid inactive planets in a galaxy - it brings you less roids (granted less losses overall, but more losses per roid).

As CO defence, you want caths to build BW - Spiders are slightly more efficient against CO, plus my fleet is Pulsar heavy (anti Peg), thus its easier to kill the BW than FI.

true indeed, but what i think Silva baby is trying to emphasize is that OB-ing a Cath is benificial since they dont kill **** neway (and the tarants and avengers wont make much of a difference to that).

Though, if u look at it like that, then you could also reason that attacking a Cath on a conventional attack wont hurt u either

Silva baby · 19 Nov 2002, 22:44

i don't and plus i couldn';t be bpothered