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Fred of Bedrock · 4 Nov 2002, 21:08

OK the time machine is fired up and you have the power to change one thing in your alliances history..... either a past or present alliance. Try to do 2 things and the machine breaks.

What one thing would you alter.

The one thing I would alter if I could change alliance history would be to go back to round 5 and stop the breakup of Elysium and Legion. Elysium was imo Legions most loyal ally ever and we allowed them to go. They have since proven what loyal and great allies they can be and that one backstab is the single worst decision I would alter.

BetrayerOfHope · 4 Nov 2002, 21:13

xanadu & nos in friendly relations

Ska · 4 Nov 2002, 21:14

I wouldnt have decided not to play actively this round

Axis_WLF · 4 Nov 2002, 21:14

Aye i was up for keeping elysium back then but preasure to drop them was constant as we also wanted them to drop peeps that we could hit heh.

Umm r2 stats wish they left them the fk alone. Wish the races were introduced sooner say r3 during the time when massive people still played.

Obfuscator · 4 Nov 2002, 21:14

Fun thread.

In my case, it's tough for me to pick just one thing TE needed to not mess up. It's even harder since I tend to think of a thread like this in terms of things _I_ could have had some effect on, but that is not necessarily what you are asking.

If I could have changed one thing in TE's history, it would have been our failure to respect the NAP DarthMorbus arranged with Legion in r2. TE making enemies with Legion resigned us to the status of whipping boy, and it was probably TE's last chance to be a good alliance.

[edit]As for N€mesis . . . I'm not sure what could have been done to make things more pleasing to me. We were far from perfect, but I was quite pleased with the results, overall. I guess, hindsight being 20/20, I would have changed the high-turnover rate we had for members in r6 . . . but there was no single thing that could have been altered to bring that about. [/edit]

Heartshunter · 4 Nov 2002, 21:18

I would like to see the decision of the dropping of Elysium reversed too. My guess is that r 6 and r7 would have looked completely different.

Axis_WLF · 4 Nov 2002, 21:19

Aye good post Ob, TE was a cool alliance as was SK, wish TE stuck around longer also but think TE pride kicked in at the end which didnt help.

Obfuscator · 4 Nov 2002, 21:21

Quote:

Originally posted by Axis_WLF
Aye good post Ob, TE was a cool alliance as was SK, wish TE stuck around longer also but think TE pride kicked in at the end which didnt help.

Thanks

Pride was always one of TE's problems, I agree. Unfortunately, I can't say I solved that problem when I became HC. Indeed, I think I probably made it much worse. I sure would have liked to see it last past r4, but alas, it just couldn't have happened really.

MAdnRisKy · 4 Nov 2002, 21:24

Titans to have worked with Deus round 6 \o/

anything before that and I was too out of any loop to realise what i'd be changing heh (but I would agree on the Ely thing, that said, had we stuck, I doubt Titans would be around, it was quite a deciding factor, so I'd be catious with that one..)

Scorpio · 4 Nov 2002, 21:24

Quote:

Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
xanadu & nos in friendly relations

was high on my list as well, but I'd go for the "destroy Legion at the end of round 4" option. Would have changed things a bit more than teaming up with NoS

BOB_LOST · 4 Nov 2002, 21:34

i think id agreee with fred here even thoght i was calling for a good ****ing of ely as well some of there hc anoyed me at the time i think telling fury to **** off rather than ely whould have been a better move for legion as we all seen how quick fury can turn on its allies so id say the breaking of allince with ely rnd 5

4 Nov 2002, 21:36

dropping ely

the fury/wp vs. legion would be replaced by legion fury all out war

xanadu allying with fury round 5.

BOB_LOST · 4 Nov 2002, 21:43

o and rnd 7 not cutting all ties to fury and all out ****ing them like we legion should have as they tunred around and tryed to do to us

Velta · 4 Nov 2002, 21:53

R4: Messed with 253:1 in cluster
R5: Join Wrath (Wrath does/did indeed rock, but i am no member of Wrath)
R6: Shadow1980, says it all to be honest

- Joined 33:9 illegally - Let Xylem slip and die...
R7: No regrets.
R8: No regrets.

[I went off topic:/]

Scouse · 4 Nov 2002, 21:56

Not that I had the 'power' back then to change the decision, but I'd have preferred if WP never rejoined Legion.

But then again there may not be a Titans then, and Titans is the best alliance I've ever been part, so I doubt I would change that given the chance.

G.K Zhukov · 4 Nov 2002, 21:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Scouse
Not that I had the 'power' back then to change the decision, but I'd have preferred if WP never rejoined Legion.

Amen.

(I told you Horus, but you wouldnt listen to me!)

hAl · 4 Nov 2002, 22:08

Reverse r4 stats

hAl

4 Nov 2002, 22:13

and i wish i could have told spinner sooner that his stats suck and that he should leave it to me*

*this is slightly exagerated how it went in round6 beta but it was me who is responsible for the difference in races. i rock (you'd have to thank petru and rha also tho for 'creating' them but selling them was the hard part)

Hardin · 4 Nov 2002, 22:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Fred of Bedrock
OK the time machine is fired up and you have the power to change one thing in your alliances history..... either a past or present alliance. Try to do 2 things and the machine breaks.

What one thing would you alter.

The one thing I would alter if I could change alliance history would be to go back to round 5 and stop the breakup of Elysium and Legion. Elysium was imo Legions most loyal ally ever and we allowed them to go. They have since proven what loyal and great allies they can be and that one backstab is the single worst decision I would alter.

As someone in Ely at that time we all said it was a mistake for Legion to abandon Ely at that time (not just out of self interest).

Infact some great debates on AD at that time on the whole subject.

I dont blame Legion tho. Syn_Sid and co were behind the scenes pulling strings - those evhul Furbies

What we all wanted to see then was Legion With Ely in a pitched battle with Fury and Virus/WP - would have been a good fight...

But instead Ely got left outside to be raped by Fury which was a pity as they are one of the most loyal allies going.

Its no wonder Fury see old scores being settled this round...

My other regret is that R7 FLVT didnt split earlier before NEWX was already ruined...woulda made things a whole lot more interesting.

4 Nov 2002, 22:39

Not that I regret stopping any serious play when I did, but knowing what we all do now, I suppose the thing I'd change would be not resigning from Legion command in r4 for the sake of seeing how the r5 WP merger would have gone, if at all. I have a feeling the game would be quite different.

Hicks · 4 Nov 2002, 22:40

Quote:

Originally posted by BOB_LOST
o and rnd 7 not cutting all ties to fury and all out ****ing them like we legion should have as they tunred around and tryed to do to us

Legion had no hope of standing alone against Fury after Round 5, certainly not in Round 7 when quite frankly you were in such a poor state we'd have wiped the floor with you 5 times over.

Hmm I can't say I really regret much Fury have done since I've been there (Late R3 onwards) weather that means I’ve been brainwashed or not remains to be seen. I think Round 5 could have been a whole lot more interesting if we'd gone to war with Legion but I seem to remember at the time I was more for smashing ViruS and preserving ties with Legion as I could see Xanadu would be back strongly for Round 6. Also if I could play Round 6 over again I probably have focused FLVTT's military on tearing FoS apart (Who were the weak link) rather than concentrating on Xanadu. Also I'd still have liked to work with Xanadu as an alliance in Round 7.

Faberius · 4 Nov 2002, 22:41

YHQ: I would have not provoked Aesop last september into resigning

ND: I would have agreed to an alliance with WP NoS last round instead of trying to make Auld/Core

Leinad · 4 Nov 2002, 22:53

i would try to keep r4 nos together as the elite alliance it was from the beginning of the round till mid round without all things which happened and the resulting split.

Silva baby · 4 Nov 2002, 22:58

I was disappointed in what happened to Silver, if i had the chance i suppose i would lyke to see Silver suceed and stop their mass recruiting drive
the dismisaal of Yoda by Yuba? i fink i dun remmeber was also a high regret for me
but then i wa sa peon bak then

Carpeia · 4 Nov 2002, 22:59

one of my regrets,

that ive not played with my original names all rounds.

4 rounds is more than others tho.

Carpeia of Carpiago.

r2
r3
r6
r8

Ska · 4 Nov 2002, 23:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Carpeia
one of my regrets,

that ive not played with my original names all rounds.

4 rounds is more than others tho.

Carpeia of Carpiago.

r2
r3
r6
r8

I did in
r1
r2
r3
r4
Skacorica of (insert various things)
so we are tied

Fred of Bedrock · 4 Nov 2002, 23:06

Lets keep the thread away from who could wipe the floor with whom. Every alliance has made mistakes but with the round ending PA perhaps its time we used a thread like this to reflect on what we could have done to make things better...... or worse.

Soon its all over with PA alliances so have some fun and enjoy the thread and let us know what you would have done to make PA a better place for your alliance.

DarkAngel · 4 Nov 2002, 23:22

i would ...

never have pressed "sign up" on that fatal day back in round 3

other then that ...

id have stopped with GLX untill they died completly, and also when i eventually joined xylem, id have done more to stop the whole nos thingy.

Cryptic · 4 Nov 2002, 23:32

Quote:

Originally posted by BOB_LOST
i think id agreee with fred here even thoght i was calling for a good ****ing of ely as well some of there hc anoyed me at the time i think telling fury to **** off rather than ely whould have been a better move for legion as we all seen how quick fury can turn on its allies so id say the breaking of allince with ely rnd 5

I'd like not to have been sucked in by Freds crap throughout the early parts of r7 - " Yes cryptic , honestly I want to finish with fury and legion as the 2 top alliances like we started etc etc etc"

I should have ordered full scale slaughter and cut the deals myself instead of trying to be loyal to 'an old friend' and sacrificing a singular victory for Fury early on.

Beast-of-War · 4 Nov 2002, 23:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Cryptic

I'd like not to have been sucked in by Freds crap throughout the early parts of r7 - " Yes cryptic , honestly I want to finish with fury and legion as the 2 top alliances like we started etc etc etc"

I should have ordered full scale slaughter and cut the deals myself instead of trying to be loyal to 'an old friend' and sacrificing a singular victory for Fury early on.

Id like to have seen that as well

.

Deus not disbanding end of r6 would definately have changed something as well.

Norseman · 4 Nov 2002, 23:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Hardin

As someone in Ely at that time we all said it was a mistake for Legion to abandon Ely at that time (not just out of self interest).

Infact some great debates on AD at that time on the whole subject.

I dont blame Legion tho. Syn_Sid and co were behind the scenes pulling strings - those evhul Furbies

What we all wanted to see then was Legion With Ely in a pitched battle with Fury and Virus/WP - would have been a good fight...

But instead Ely got left outside to be raped by Fury which was a pity as they are one of the most loyal allies going.

Its no wonder Fury see old scores being settled this round...

Session Start: Fri Nov 23 23:06:49 2001
[23:06] *** Now talking in #meeting
[edit: log of Legion HC telling Koloth that they are breaking ties with Ely]

to read the whole log, if interested

G.K Zhukov · 4 Nov 2002, 23:51

Notice
[23:22] <Koloth> you handled it wrong but we just disagree on how we do things
[23:22] <Koloth> Things have changed ever since BiggDogg came back

Storebo · 5 Nov 2002, 00:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Theamion!
dropping ely

the fury/wp vs. legion would be replaced by legion fury all out war

xanadu allying with fury round 5.

Actually... there was an oportunity to restore VeX round 5.. Legion HC had a secret deal with Xanadu about that before BiggDogg came back. Also Elysium presented that opportunity later in the round through a merge with Cell and bringing in Xanadu with us.(note... Xanadu/Cell was still strong back then. Cell hadn't broken up and Xanadu where still figthing.) A full restoration on VeX + some reinforcement. This would ofcourse leave NoS in the dust.. something I liked :P
So would be VeX vs WTF + virus + LeX probably.. NoS wasn't much at that time. Anyway.. Legion seemed much less eager to go through with this plan. So it was dropped. No point giving Legion/Fury an excuse to drop Elysium.

Maybe go back to round 6 and change something among the relations with Wolfpack/Cell/NoS. Make sure we'd win the round and heh... I'd win aswell as player and GC. =)

Storebo · 5 Nov 2002, 00:15

Quote:

Originally posted by Norseman

to read the whole log, if interested

U should upload the second log aswell =)
pm me if u need it.. heh...

Ahriman · 5 Nov 2002, 00:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Norseman
[23:12] <Koloth> I agree something needed to be done
[23:13] <Koloth> but Legion took the easy route
[23:13] <Koloth> we could have had a war of VE vs WTF
[23:13] <Gren|nopm> that would kill us next rd aswell as perhaps this rd
[23:13] <Koloth> saddens me, considering the support we gave you in rnd 4 when xan remained neutral
[23:14] <Gren|nopm> Legion is the most hated alliance out there
[23:14] <Koloth> and you will become more hated now guys
[23:15] <Koloth> because it may sound the smart move now guys
[23:15] <Koloth> but your digging your holes deeper and deeper

This was certainly my sentiment at the time, too.

Corrections I'd have made to 'my' alliances (I've never been in a position to affect the big picture though, mind).

k9: somehow kept the r1 players around. If k9 had survived in it's r2 state then I'd still be a member now. It was quite clearly my first love in the context of Planetarion, and the one thing that kept me playing for so long, despite it's absence - the way it formed my opinions on right and wrong in PA stuck - and the importance of community has remained with me ever since.

Elysium: it's already been said; if only we could have convinced Legion that they were making the mistake that they clearly made.

Titans: I wasn't in Titans in r6, but I believe that the alliance with Deus would have been better for Titans. I criticised the move to ally Legion from my position 'outside the box', though I know it was a practical solution, I wouldn't change my opinion after having been a member though. It was a mistake.

Titans (2): we shouldn't have been so 'mouthy' in r7, and should have made a much better effort at diplomacy. This is not an accusation - I enjoyed my time in Titans and enjoyed the 'war'. Things could have been very different if a more reasoned approach was taken to diplomatic relations. More conservatism in discussion would have gone a long way imho. We lost the control that we might have had.

Standing up for what's right pleases me - taking the easy way out (both the Legion/Elysium break up and the Titans/Deus non-starter) dismays me. Especially in retrospect.

5 Nov 2002, 00:33

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkAngel
i would ...

never have pressed "sign up" on that fatal day back in round 3

other then that ...

same. here.

tho i cant say that i havent met some GREAT ppl during my pa times. but still. if i could change it, i'd never have started playing this ****ty ****ing game.

gladly i'm not that addicted to it nemore.

Torz · 5 Nov 2002, 00:47

merging with OoO in round4.

lokken · 5 Nov 2002, 00:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Torz
merging with OoO in round4.

wiping out OoO at the earliest opportunity.

HobbieRogue4 · 5 Nov 2002, 00:52

I'm glad I can read. Hi Fredo.

The one thing I would have changed in each of the alliances I have been a member of is as follows:

Legion - HCs not coming to an agreement in Round 3 on internal restructure issues.

WolfPack/WPO - The merger with OutofOrder alliance thereby becoming WPO.

IRG & TLA - Having not recruited Meth.

Norseman · 5 Nov 2002, 01:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Storebo

U should upload the second log aswell =)
pm me if u need it.. heh...

http://home.himolde.no/~bjornin/Ely-Vts2.txt

fascinating how the crappy elysium and its hc read the situation as nicely as they did, while legion.. no comment

thx for the log storebo

G.K Zhukov · 5 Nov 2002, 01:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Norseman

http://home.himolde.no/~bjornin/Ely-Vts2.txt

fascinating how the crappy elysium and its hc read the situation as nicely as they did, while legion.. no comment

thx for the log storebo

my best guess is that Sid & Fury knew about the massive incoming Legion would get, and hoped it would be enough for Legion to take some serious hits, so Fury could be #1.

Patrician · 5 Nov 2002, 01:39

Quote:

Originally posted by lokken

wiping out OoO at the earliest opportunity.

[23:25] (@Patrician|Away): I would have declared war on OoO the moment we realised the scale of their poaching antics

Intellectual property thief = you.

I've forgotten most of the events of rounds 1 -> 5, so I'd probably run with The Cabal actually working (the alliance between Deus/Titans/hirr/ND), as it would have created a real third way for round 6 - rather than the usual (abeit cunningly spun) 1v1 blockwar.

Saitam · 5 Nov 2002, 01:51

Quote:

Originally posted by Norseman

to read the whole log, if interested

Funny how it could have been if Legion had really held true to their word and not attacked Elysium alongside Fury and the all others.

Zh|l · 5 Nov 2002, 02:21

The totally loyal and zealous side of myself would say for Sid and Biggdogg to not have gone missing r4. This could have resulted in a totally different round, but ingame terms Im not sure if that would have been good (If Xanadu hadnt been able to rise any power, if Legion had been defeated it could have totally collapsed etc).

Also, without round 4 as is, I would not have got to become command and would not have got to work with people such as Rampage, Lokken, BD and Biggie. Additionally it would have been doubtful that Project Wrath would have ever been undertaken.

So all in all - Im not really sure if I would change anything. e.g for me to say 'To turn Wrath on Legion in r5' would have cost me friendships with Legion ppl etc.

HobbieRogue4 · 5 Nov 2002, 02:23

Quote:

Originally posted by Saitam
Funny how it could have been if Legion had really held true to their word and not attacked Elysium alongside Fury and the all others.

I'm not trying to take sides one way or another, it's just always been my belief that political situations, particularly the unsavory and hostile sort, wreck havoc on the stability of mixed-galaxies. That's just one reason why privatized galaxies sucked ass and it was painful to see members on both sides essentially being forced to choose between their alliance ties and their galaxies.*

People had to choose. I know several who made their choice, and while it was upsetting to see the likes of some Legion members quit in protest of their galaxies (containing Elysium members) being attacked. Fundamentally though, their decision is to be respected as it probably saved them and others a lot more grief to be experienced by later rounds.

*This was the period where alliance-hopping wasn't totally an acceptable practice in the minds of most PA players, and when 'galaxy vs. alliance' wasn't yet an "obvious decision-making process" compared to Rounds 6 and 7.

AlbinoSquirrel · 5 Nov 2002, 02:42

Being active in R6.

For some odd reason, I've convinced myself that if I hadn't been so inactive (due to the ex), Deus would have survived the round in much better shape and would have lived on past the end of the round. No offense to any of the rest of Deus HC intended. :\

That is my singular largest regret in PA.

5 Nov 2002, 02:52

Though I've never really been in much of a position of leadership in my alliances, I must have learned something in like 6 or 7 rounds.

For TE, I wish I'd tracked down Eldarion and kicked his ass. TE was on the way out then, but that certainly didn't help us.

For Nemesis, I wish I'd saved the combat report from Yeh's planet

N0VA · 5 Nov 2002, 03:11

For TE, it would be the prevention of that awful not-really-even-a-merger-thank-you-eldarion with Virus.

For NewDawn, it would be to start defending against Furgion twats like Yeh from the start of r5 as opposed to halfway in.

For Nemesis ... saying "no" to Asylum, need I say more?

Bashar · 5 Nov 2002, 03:16

I like the thread Fred :-) Kinda refreshing to have something decent.

I am not ignorant enough to think I could have had any major effect on fury, as it is just not how it works, though if I were to change anything, it would be for me to have joined fury earlier.

Meth · 5 Nov 2002, 03:34

Barghest

Zhil, Lokken and maybe a few others will know what i'm talking about.

Hobbie: