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24 Oct 2002, 07:31

i was wondering.. as my planet is pretty much dead anyway i've decided to dedicate myself to defending my alliance.. so atm i have 50/50 beetles and spiders... should i go for more spiders ?
if i build only beetles and spids i get approx 2.2 beetles for every spider..

if i go for spids what ship should i dump the excess metal into?

at0mic.c0w · 24 Oct 2002, 09:16

your alliance will be really grateful for a large amount of roaches

that's only my guess of course. why don't u ask one of the BCs of your allaince what he thinks is needed the most.

black-eyed boy · 24 Oct 2002, 09:26

Yep, roaches surely, learned from my cath experience.

24 Oct 2002, 12:00

roaches i have...

Makhil · 24 Oct 2002, 18:42

For def only, I would focus on ships targetting pods:
Spiders to stop vultures
Roaches to stop Uni & Mega pods
BWs for normal pods (or Scarabs if you want to keep a lower eta)

Evil Smurf · 25 Oct 2002, 00:47

BLACK WIDOWS! (and the spids/ beetles)

i love nothing more then covering frigate incoming with some nice overburn blackwidows..they own

26 Oct 2002, 22:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Smurf
BLACK WIDOWS! (and the spids/ beetles)

i love nothing more then covering frigate incoming with some nice overburn blackwidows..they own

*Shakes his head....

Ever heard of Scarabs??
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And to the one who made this topic:

If your gonna chose between Spiders and Beetles, I would recomend Spiders. Why? Cause then you can buy Defenders. Buy lots of Defenders first, then make Spiders of the Crystall you have left.....

Easy as cake

Ston3D · 26 Oct 2002, 22:50

Why build Defenders? They suck so much. Better build Roaches cause u can never stop a decent load of bs incs with em.

Evil Smurf · 26 Oct 2002, 23:38

Lets see, i can either send overtargeted scarabs, which aren't as efficient..
or more efficent - less targetted BW's...

27 Oct 2002, 01:27

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Smurf
Lets see, i can either send overtargeted scarabs, which aren't as efficient..
or more efficent - less targetted BW's...

and you call everyone else a n00b....

ETA?? And you are SOOOO stupid if you are of those who lose points when your defending... and Scarabs r0cks!

xtothez · 27 Oct 2002, 01:35

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Originally posted by Ston3D
Why build Defenders? They suck so much. Better build Roaches cause u can never stop a decent load of bs incs with em.

Because BS class are ****ing annoying (yes, i have over 250 of them :).

And also:
kill rate: You need 8235 Defender to kill 100 Dreadnaught per tick.
100 Defender will kill 1 Dreadnaught per tick.
res efficiency 31.2% Attacker Costs: 250000 Target Costs: 78000

kill rate: You need 10000 Defender to kill 100 Man o' War per tick.
100 Defender will kill 1 Man o' War per tick.
res efficiency 30.4% Attacker Costs: 250000 Target Costs: 76000

kill rate: You need 10000 Defender to kill 100 Scorpion per tick.
100 Defender will kill 1 Scorpion per tick.
res efficiency 34.4% Attacker Costs: 250000 Target Costs: 86000

~30% plus aint half bad : )

http://unitcalc.carpenoctemhq.com

dabult · 27 Oct 2002, 02:11

If you want to defend your alliance and mates there is only one thing that is without discussion.
FI and CO only.

Seems you already got that one, wich is nice ofc

As for spids or beetles, i would say roaches and spids, roaches and spids...then get some roaches and spids.

Xans dominate the uni, spids target fi/co.
DE attacks are always a bitch, you gotta love them roaches.

You shouldnt go for anti-fr in my opinion, as anti-co and fi is more frequently needed, and its usually easier to stop a FR-fleet than a nasty CO-one.

dabult · 27 Oct 2002, 02:14

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Originally posted by xtothez

http://unitcalc.carpenoctemhq.com

Thanks for that one, since i have never really been arsed to use matrices and such, that one just made me understand how annoying my Broadswords can be

Rocklobster[Dok] · 27 Oct 2002, 17:47

I have played cathaar in 2 rounds now and in my opinion a cathaar defence fleet should be light and fast.

Spiders and beetles are almost always a very good Xan stoper and the roaches are good against the terran De fleets.
Dont build the scarab, there are other races that can handel Fr incommings much better. Defenders are a good metal sink so i got a few of em by now

but they arent that good really.

But I think that you shoulnt stop with just defending your alliance, you also need roids to get resources to build all those ships. If you are small chose one sort of attack fleet, Fr with BWs and Pods or a Cr based attack fleet.

Ston3D · 27 Oct 2002, 18:37

One Beetles/Roach/BW/Pod attack fleet which can be used for defense perfectly.
One Tara/Scorp/Mantis attack fleet - only for attacks or self-defending.
+ Guardians to scare away possible attackers.

Ska · 28 Oct 2002, 23:07

Quote:

Originally posted by m_bergs
ETA?? And you are SOOOO stupid if you are of those who lose points when your defending... and Scarabs r0cks!

Scarabs vs Culdassa Arrowheads | Stoprate 541
Black Widows vs Culdassa Arrowheads| Stoprate 1083

Stoprate is resource efficiency X 1000

29 Oct 2002, 12:41

Quote:

Originally posted by dabult
If you want to defend your alliance and mates there is only one thing that is without discussion.
FI and CO only.

Seems you already got that one, wich is nice ofc
As for spids or beetles, i would say roaches and spids, roaches and spids...then get some roaches and spids.

Xans dominate the uni, spids target fi/co.
DE attacks are always a bitch, you gotta love them roaches.

You shouldnt go for anti-fr in my opinion, as anti-co and fi is more frequently needed, and its usually easier to stop a FR-fleet than a nasty CO-one.

I think only thing to add here is that you only buy roaches and of the spare crystal you buy spiders, your alliance will love you for it !!
And when you are dead it means you will initiate some roids i think which means you can go for a 1 1 ratio on c and m so you will have loads of spare c to spend on spiders. And whn your dedication goes thru the roof you can become a scan planet offcuorse :-)

ps remember that when you only build spiders and roaches anyone who scans you can easily take roids from you whith a frigclass fleet, so make sure you look unattractive !!!

MAdnRisKy · 29 Oct 2002, 13:51

I will say this once, I have never liked the beetle. I ****ING hate that ship, because it leaves xan for dead. With just a handful of those gits I can stop the nasty end of a xan fleet, and just laugh at it (read hate because though I love collecting them for defence they piss me off to get past). Most sensible xans have a lot of FI and some co, you can usually muller the co easily enough, the problem is when the fi mullers anything else before it gets a shot off. From a BC point of view if some one says "eta 6 spids 3k", or "eta 6 beetles 2k", I know which one makes me happier...

29 Oct 2002, 15:42

Cant agree more.... beetles are a right royal pain in the butt for a Xan, so please just build roaches and defenders...

30 Oct 2002, 06:59

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Originally posted by Ska

Actually, you are the idiot:

Scarabs vs Culdassa Arrowheads | Stoprate 541
Black Widows vs Culdassa Arrowheads| Stoprate 1083

Stoprate is resource efficiency X 1000

I hate people who are using unitcalcs when they are posting... Killing\freezing ein what PA is all about, you got allot to learn m8, so much to learn.

Terra Australis · 30 Oct 2002, 08:12

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Originally posted by m_bergs

I hate people who are using unitcalcs when they are posting... Killing\freezing ein what PA is all about, you got allot to learn m8, so much to learn.

What is the use if this is the last round of Planetarion, besides you cant teach the experience gained from several rounds of Planetarion in a few short weeks. I have been playing the game for about 6 rounds or so and one never stops learning!

Ska · 30 Oct 2002, 08:27

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Originally posted by m_bergs

I hate people who are using unitcalcs when they are posting...

So you hate people that use solid evidence to support their claims? Know what that makes you? An idiot.

Ska · 30 Oct 2002, 08:29

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Originally posted by m_bergs

Killing\freezing ein what PA is all about

Yes it is. Do you know what resource efficiency is? Its how much a ship can kill/block compared to its cost...in case you missed that.

Ditcher · 30 Oct 2002, 09:19

About BW or scarab for defending.

I would certainly take BW. There is always someone with defendable eta especially now with overburn.

dabult · 30 Oct 2002, 09:29

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Originally posted by Ditcher
Well is it not obvious m_bergs is either trolling or idiot?

About BW or scarab for defending.

I would certainly take BW. There is always someone with defendable eta especially now with overburn.

Im not cath this round, but i would FOR SURE go for both.
A majority of the uni is xan, hence most of the def you are going to send will be eta 6. And you want to go FR? '
Always someone with defendable eta...'? Im sorry to burst your bubble....but thats way out of line

Even tho hes clearly a trolling jurk hes got one thing right. Resource-efficiency and unitcalcs aint all that pa is about...

Ditcher · 30 Oct 2002, 09:42

Quote:

Originally posted by dabult

Im not cath this round, but i would FOR SURE go for both.
A majority of the uni is xan, hence most of the def you are going to send will be eta 6. And you want to go FR? '
Always someone with defendable eta...'? Im sorry to burst your bubble....but thats way out of line

Even tho hes clearly a trolling jurk hes got one thing right. Resource-efficiency and unitcalcs aint all that pa is about...

Well I would have spids for Xandas and those BWs for rest.
Roaches would be a choice also... hmm that would be already 3 shiptypes

getting harder.

"Im sorry to burst your bubble....but thats way out of line

"

I beg your Pardon.. Atleast in my "friend group" we usually spot incommings as soon as they are launched. So there is plenty of time to use BWs. And if no one is under attack i can usually send them flying offering "eta7 defence" in alliance channel etc.

resource-efficiency is quite important at start when scores are near to eachother. Later it doesnt matter so much because you can outnumber people more easily. This is atleast how i comprehend it. Numbers are also nice deterrant for newbie(ish) defenders. Reason why i have quite a few harpies flying around.... heh

dabult · 30 Oct 2002, 09:58

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Originally posted by Ditcher

Atleast in my "friend group" we usually spot incommings as soon as they are launched. So there is plenty of time to use BWs.

You got 1-5 minutes of eta 7 before it becomes 6, and you usually have got time to use BW's?
Thats impressive, everybody are always online..cool

Ditcher · 30 Oct 2002, 10:06

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Originally posted by dabult

You got 1-5 minutes of eta 7 before it becomes 6, and you usually have got time to use BW's?
Thats impressive, everybody are always online..cool

So far every incomming we have faced has been launched at 4.55cet or 5.55cet. We launch our own attack at the same time so naturally we are awake.

And why would I want to use my FR stoppers againt vulture incomming when i would have spiders also?

Silva baby · 30 Oct 2002, 11:37

Quote:

Originally posted by m_bergs

*Shakes his head....

Ever heard of Scarabs??
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And to the one who made this topic:

If your gonna chose between Spiders and Beetles, I would recomend Spiders. Why? Cause then you can buy Defenders. Buy lots of Defenders first, then make Spiders of the Crystall you have left.....

Easy as cake

personally i would lyke to say ur a idiot~
sorri!
but yes Scarabs instead of B;ackWidow? are you out of ur mind? they are cleary the best anti co defence at eta 7! not to mention anti fr defence

for spiders and beetles i would go beetles because no Xan fleet goes unescorted by figthers which they value~
Roachs are hot in alliance becuase of the large Terran kill fleets

at0mic.c0w · 30 Oct 2002, 15:23

alright ladies - u wasted 5 minutes of my life by forcing me to clean out this thread. from now on behave or i'll get Tactitus to spank u all (he's a grumpy old man u know)

dabult · 30 Oct 2002, 15:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Ditcher

So far every incomming we have faced has been launched at 4.55cet or 5.55cet. We launch our own attack at the same time so naturally we are awake.

And why would I want to use my FR stoppers againt vulture incomming when i would have spiders also?

If we take the original post again and keep it to the topic.

i was wondering.. as my planet is pretty much dead anyway i've decided to dedicate myself to defending my alliance.. so atm i have 50/50 beetles and spiders... should i go for more spiders ?
if i build only beetles and spids i get approx 2.2 beetles for every spider..

if i go for spids what ship should i dump the excess metal into?

He wants def, he wants to primarly help his alliance, so far he has focused on FI.

Do you still think he should go for BW's?

The discussion widows/scarabs/eta is a whole different matter that would be better suited in a different thread.

(i see the report-button works good, hi at0mic

)

Ditcher · 30 Oct 2002, 15:31

Heh ok sorry

IT WASNT ME ONLY THO

dabult · 30 Oct 2002, 15:43

I know hun, i was guilty aswell

30 Oct 2002, 15:59

And I told you once, but you all forget.. IF your gonna Focus on making EITHER Spiders or Beetles. Go for spiders, cause then you can make Defenders AND get heeps of Spiders at the same time.....

Zither · 30 Oct 2002, 19:20

Quote:

Originally posted by dabult

He wants def, he wants to primarly help his alliance, so far he has focused on FI.

Do you still think he should go for BW's?

I have found myself very popular with defence organisers this round for my beetles/spiders/roaches.

Ska · 1 Nov 2002, 07:18

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Originally posted by m_bergs

And I told you once, but you all forget.. IF your gonna Focus on making EITHER Spiders or Beetles. Go for spiders, cause then you can make Defenders AND get heeps of Spiders at the same time.....

yes pls everyone do that, and then also private message me your coords

Terra Australis · 1 Nov 2002, 07:40

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Originally posted by Ska

yes pls everyone do that, and then also private message me your coords

As if any experienced player would reveal there co ords to anyone other than alliance Mates... and former galmates!

Ultimate Newbie · 1 Nov 2002, 08:23

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Originally posted by Terra Australis

As if any experienced player would reveal there co ords to anyone other than alliance Mates... and former galmates!

/me points at sig

Ska · 1 Nov 2002, 09:49

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Originally posted by Terra Australis

As if any experienced player would reveal there co ords to anyone other than alliance Mates... and former galmates!

I think you missed the point of what I was saying :|

Terra Australis · 2 Nov 2002, 07:08

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Originally posted by Ska

I think you missed the point of what I was saying :|

I was talking about the poster above you...... as your co ords only go up to round seven!