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7 Feb 2013, 02:32
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NewDawn
Hello,
As some may know (probably only alliance hc’s) I have been taking an off round from active hc/politics due to big RL issue and leaving the other hc to have some freedom away from only hit ults... Tonight ND has organised a block hit against the #7 alliance (CT) because apparently we joined a block to hit them last weekend.
Now ND being our closest friends in PA I think we would of known if we did such a thing and I accept that some of the 20 incs they claim to have received from us during the whole weekend could be real, hell we have people soloing all the time and had a total of 1 nd planet in our raids for the weekend, but does that warrant a block hit?? does 20 incs for a weekend point to CT blocking against them? We get more incs than that in a single gal raid and send out approx. 60 fleets a night.
During our argument over why nd was doing this…
[23:50] <LeeAdama> 6 4 14 hit him tick 473
[23:50] <Joopster> <@Joopster> .check 6 4 14
[23:50] <Joopster> -SmartAss- 6:4:14 - (Not a member - '') - Name: superiority OF nlcke - Value: 2016780 - Score: 2696700 - Size: 1256 - Race: Xan - XP: 11332 - Idle Ticks: 0 - Rank: 148 - Hostility: None - Nap: No - In CT Buddypack: No - Alliance: Ultores - Alliance Status: neutral
So they are retaling CT with one of the alliances that actually hit them that weekend. <slow clap>
FAnG: sure we deserve to get some payback from fang for hitting them this week, no hard feelings between CT and FAnG, they were #1 and that’s the only reason
ultores, I don’t think I can say that after the last 7 rounds, we don’t deserve some hostility from them :P
innu yeah we have hit them quite hard in our gal raids, probably deserve that :P
ND … wtf have you been smoking!!
So ND claims it’s not an act of war, but we can’t take this backstabbing in any other way, we are friends of ND but sometimes we are not friends with its politics HC. we will retaliate with every last dying breath!
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7 Feb 2013, 02:54
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Re: NewDawn
As the BC who organised most attacks I can say that we targeted only one alliance, Ast, on one occasion, the rest were gal attacks. I was instructed not to hit ND heavy gals as we had seen few incs from them. More recently, CT has hit Fang, I was not party to the decision, but at no point have we targeted ND. To me, this is no more or less than i expect, I would sooner trust a rattlesnale than ND but noone be fooled by any statement from ND that their actions are a retal, they just see a better chance of taking CT roids than other alliances'.
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7 Feb 2013, 03:01
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Re: NewDawn
What you mean is, ND has a block behind them and dare targetting an alliance now
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7 Feb 2013, 05:23
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Re: NewDawn
Is it safe to say this is just a rebuilding round for CT? /me chuckles
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7 Feb 2013, 05:36
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Re: NewDawn
yes we said that at the start of the round...
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7 Feb 2013, 19:16
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Re: NewDawn
Light! Get out!!
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7 Feb 2013, 21:46
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Re: NewDawn
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yes we said that at the start of every round...
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every round you need to rebuild due to being so crap the previous round, its an endless circle of shit.
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First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
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7 Feb 2013, 23:07
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Re: NewDawn
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fixed.
every round you need to rebuild due to being so crap the previous round, its an endless circle of shit.
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If you had been paying attention the last 4 rounds you would underestand what CT means with rebuilding.
Constant targetting the top alliance round after round, to wait for one of the top alliance to backstab their allies to try go for a premature #1 and the alliance theyve been targetting almost the whole round winning does do something to a alliance.
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8 Feb 2013, 05:07
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Re: NewDawn
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If you had been paying attention the last 4 rounds you would understand what CT means with rebuilding.
Constant targeting the top alliance round after round, to wait for one of the top alliance to back stab their allies to try go for a premature #1 and the alliance they've been targeting almost the whole round winning does do something to a alliance.
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I admittedly haven't been watching PA politics for the past few rounds but there seems to always be one constant, how shit CT is as politics.
You seem to think its an achievement that you hit the #1 alliance in PA (if that did happen the way you said, i somehow doubt it). However, don't you find it a little alarming that every time you fail no matter what you do? I'd class the past 4 rounds as an utter failure from your HC's rather than an achievement that you 'tried'.
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First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
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8 Feb 2013, 09:29
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Re: NewDawn
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Originally Posted by Light
I admittedly haven't been watching PA politics for the past few rounds but there seems to always be one constant, how shit CT is as politics.
You seem to think its an achievement that you hit the #1 alliance in PA (if that did happen the way you said, i somehow doubt it). However, don't you find it a little alarming that every time you fail no matter what you do? I'd class the past 4 rounds as an utter failure from your HC's rather than an achievement that you 'tried'.
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There is some crap written on these forums but I think you win the award for the biggest load of it this round.
CT and GM are very GOOD at politics. Every round they put together a team capable of taking down the #1 alliance.
Now, this has always been Ult (with the back up of App). What you have to understand is you have arguably the best 100 players or so out of an estimated 600 active. That is incredibly hard to stop and requires blocking, something CT do well (I am not buying the argument 'just get better', it simply does not work like that).
Now, firstly, CT do this with other alliances so if you want to level it at CT you have to throw the same accusation at their 'friends'.
Secondly, look at why CT fail. It is because when it comes to the crunch, rather than keep bashing Ult they actually go for the win. Yes they don't usually make it but they put their members in that position to have a shot. You have to understand, a lot of CT members are not as skilled as Ult and co, and it is politics that give them this shot.
They would rather try and fail than not try at all.
CT (and other alliances like them) should be congratulated for playing at all, the alternative that they stop playing, lots of players will quit and the alliance with the best players will roid-farm all round.
Boring.
I for one am glad CT are here to make the game more interesting.
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8 Feb 2013, 20:51
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Re: NewDawn
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Originally Posted by Light
I admittedly haven't been watching PA politics for the past few rounds but there seems to always be one constant, how shit CT is as politics.
You seem to think its an achievement that you hit the #1 alliance in PA (if that did happen the way you said, i somehow doubt it). However, don't you find it a little alarming that every time you fail no matter what you do? I'd class the past 4 rounds as an utter failure from your HC's rather than an achievement that you 'tried'.
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You clearly have never been targetting or been targetted a certain alliance/block in modern PaX with defensive stats. It does takes a lot of work keeping members inline, to keep attacking within allie raids, not soloing, and playing for the alliance as one instead of gal/planet ranks.
Claiming that CT has been a failure not being a part of what has been going on, and not been in CT makes you look like a fool.
Afaik Ronnie won two rounds i a row with CT? Is there any player that has won two rounds in a row earlier in PA history(i got no clue, but it is an achiement)?
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11 Feb 2013, 09:42
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Re: NewDawn
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Originally Posted by Light
I admittedly haven't been watching PA politics for the past few rounds but there seems to always be one constant, how shit CT is as politics.
You seem to think its an achievement that you hit the #1 alliance in PA (if that did happen the way you said, i somehow doubt it). However, don't you find it a little alarming that every time you fail no matter what you do? I'd class the past 4 rounds as an utter failure from your HC's rather than an achievement that you 'tried'.
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Paying attention? Oh sorry, were they not fawning over you Light sweetheart. Oh, Nice crash the other day Your achievement is to appear as aggressive as possible. Here's a tip: You made it Light. Such a viscous person I've not known of until now.
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7 Feb 2013, 23:42
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Re: NewDawn
That's the thing CT fought the top ally time and time again even when they knew they didn't have the strength to show's alot of brass and I tip my hat off to them im glad gm taking a relax round its nice to talk with him more even if he drunk so light hush until you try yourself you cant comment
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8 Feb 2013, 04:46
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Re: NewDawn
As they say, "wait, wut?"
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8 Feb 2013, 09:08
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Re: NewDawn
CT have never been the best alliance in PA (nor the worst), but I can vouch for their willingness to hit the #1 alliance.
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8 Feb 2013, 09:25
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Re: NewDawn
See wut happened was .... i was gone for a week.
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8 Feb 2013, 09:29
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Re: NewDawn
And they will hit anyone, no matter how much 'better' they are
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8 Feb 2013, 17:46
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Re: NewDawn
Tho i didn't always agree with CT political moves, i must admit they got balls to hit anyone, and keep it up for as long as it takes.
I'm really glad they tought ND a lesson
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8 Feb 2013, 18:42
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Re: NewDawn
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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8 Feb 2013, 19:51
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Re: NewDawn
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=197508
^^ the forum thread that gave Asc the win in a hard fought round where any of 4 alliances could of won prior to that thread. Thats good politics.
God, i loved that round <3
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First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
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Re: NewDawn
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if i remember correctly you were omen that round
was probably the best round of pa
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9 Feb 2013, 01:44
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Re: NewDawn
You actually said that CT got backstabbed twice in four rounds yet you claim they "do" great politics. Politics is avoiding that kind of stuff happening. It's not just making a block - although that is part of politics as well of course.
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Politics always has and always will depend on what others do and how you interact with them, that's what the word actually means. You can't have a political strategy that doesn't take into account what other people think and do and the way you can influence them.
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9 Feb 2013, 03:02
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Re: NewDawn
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Originally Posted by Shev
You actually said that CT got backstabbed twice in four rounds yet you claim they "do" great politics. Politics is avoiding that kind of stuff happening. It's not just making a block - although that is part of politics as well of course.
Politics always has and always will depend on what others do and how you interact with them, that's what the word actually means. You can't have a political strategy that doesn't take into account what other people think and do and the way you can influence them.
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Well in two of those rounds CT had to pay for the other allies stupidity. You cant avoid that stuff if your so called allies get blinded by roids. In two of those round it wasnt the fault of their own game plan that fcked them over, rather other allies getting ahead of themself.
R49 CT proved that they wouldnt fck up twice, like they did in r46
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9 Feb 2013, 05:15
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Re: NewDawn
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Well in two of those rounds CT had to pay for the other allies stupidity. You cant avoid that stuff if your so called allies get blinded by roids. In two of those round it wasnt the fault of their own game plan that fcked them over, rather other allies getting ahead of themself.
R49 CT proved that they wouldnt fck up twice, like they did in r46
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your own gameplan has to involve other peoples game plan, thats what makes it good politics, you antipate what other people will do given the situation and you get them to join the outcome which results in you winning.
Jeez, i spent 10mins explaning a round where Asc got there ass handed to them and in one move switched it around so they'd win; all for nothing.
Go back to your, we tried a block against the #1 alliance, it fell apart, we can say we tried, now were rebuilding.
I find it strange how, CT is one of the longest lasted alliances in PA, but how many times have you come into a round as favorites? Is there a reason that for 20+ rounds, the best players have avoided your alliance like the plague?
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First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.
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9 Feb 2013, 08:15
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Re: NewDawn
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your own gameplan has to involve other peoples game plan, thats what makes it good politics, you antipate what other people will do given the situation and you get them to join the outcome which results in you winning.
Jeez, i spent 10mins explaning a round where Asc got there ass handed to them and in one move switched it around so they'd win; all for nothing.
Go back to your, we tried a block against the #1 alliance, it fell apart, we can say we tried, now were rebuilding.
I find it strange how, CT is one of the longest lasted alliances in PA, but how many times have you come into a round as favorites? Is there a reason that for 20+ rounds, the best players have avoided your alliance like the plague?
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The past three rounds ive been ODDR, FAnG and now ROCK.
There is a reason for alliances like CT, Asc, 1up, Apprime and Ultores either disband or have down periodes, its a big stress for alliances to keep staying up late nights for years nonestop. This is natural for every alliance and every HCs/officers. Without new blood comming in every allie will run dry.
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Re: NewDawn
YOOOOOOOOOO! Its not like that 4 allies in t5 are naped to eachother! Oh wait they are!
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9 Feb 2013, 12:14
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Re: NewDawn
Light, your arguing like butch3r is a CT member, he is not.
you cant always anticipate how stupid someone will be.
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So what?
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Re: NewDawn
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you cant always anticipate how stupid someone will be.
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Re: NewDawn
Talking of failures... Hi Light!!!
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Re: NewDawn
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viscous (comparative more viscous, superlative most viscous) - Having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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Re: NewDawn
Oh i just love it when you quote the dictionary. It makes u look like ur above the rest
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Re: NewDawn
I am.
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The outraged poets threw sticks and rocks over the side of the bridge. They were all missing Mary and he felt a contented smug feeling wash over him. He would have given them a coy little wave if the roof hadn't collapsed just then. Mary then found himself in the middle of an understandably shocked family's kitchen table. So he gave them the coy little wave and realized it probably would have been more effective if he hadn't been lying on their turkey.
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Re: NewDawn
All i can say this i LOLFKNLOL, GM i remember CT did this to FAnG a few rounds ago and you acted like oh jeez its part of the game. Get your big boy pants on m8.
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Don't make me declare war
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Re: NewDawn
nd/fang playing farm-arion
ppl dont forget
gl next round
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Re: NewDawn
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nd/fang playing farm-arion
ppl dont forget
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Re: NewDawn
Tbh i think Forest is the only one who remembers round to round...
No one else actually gives a toss.
You work with who gives you the best chance of acheiving your goals at the current time in the round regardless of past actions, yes they may cause you to be wary of those you work with but it doesnt stop you doing. The end always justifies the means.
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Re: NewDawn
shows how much you know kaiba
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Re: NewDawn
farm-arion...interesting concept, i think you should sell the idea to appocomaster, given the playerbases of games like farmville and stuff on facebook, could be the breath of fresh air this game needs!
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Re: NewDawn
most people already play bash-arion, so farm-arion shouldn't be too difficult
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