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Unread 20 Aug 2006, 20:35   #1
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crazed christians

i live just outside Fort Worth in Texas and we're starting to have a real problem here recently due to the religious area. This area of the US is known as the bible belt, where there are a lot of religious freaks. I mean real nutjobs, walking around in sandwich boards telling us we're sinners and the end of the world in nigh. With Haloween approaching a lot of shops have started putting out decorations. You know, witches, scarecrows, vampires, mummies, pumpkins, etc. The usual.
I was out shopping with my Aunt this weekend (for Halloween decorations) in a very big shopping centre - kinda like an all-in-one store. Before walking into the store we noticed that someone had written on the road in front (in street chalk) "Jesus is watching you, sinners". Now it was a bit odd, I'l admit it wasn't normal to see something like that, but we went in anyway.
That's when it got really weird. Being in an all-in-one store there was a lot of things that these religious fanatics had used to put their point accross. I mean ok, you wanna believe that God is vengefull and sees Halloween as a sin, then sure, that's your perogative, but when the following happens you really need to wonder - have these freaks gone a bit too far:
  • covering up a pumpkin display with a 'jesus love you' cloth
  • sticking a talking mummy's mouth together with bubble gum
  • putting cloves of garlic around every vampire's neck (funny but weird)
  • using street chalk to draw a sinner's circle around certain areas of the store
  • printing off anti-halloeen propoganda and stuffing leaflets EVERYWHERE
  • hiding all the Halloween themed candy under the literature section of the library
  • putting framed pictures of jesus everywhere in the halloween aisles
  • postit notes EVERYWHERE reading 'sinner' and 'jesus is watching you' etc


Now i'm a Southern Baptist, I'm quite religious, but I fund al this disgusting. And what's worse is the store manager clearly didn't care/empathised with them, and made no attempt to stop these individuals or call the police, etc...

seriously am i the only one who thinks that religion has gotten even insane? and is halloween really something worth targeting? thoughts??
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Unread 20 Aug 2006, 20:42   #2
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Re: crazed christians

thats some freaky stuff u gotta put up with
i reckon the manager probably is a follower of the same church these people belong to
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I wouldn't step out of line if I were you!
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why dont you get a gun and kill them all, no one would expect that turn around!
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Re: crazed christians

Putting halloween stuff out in august, the ****ers deserve everything they get!

btw whats a sinner's circle?

these people have a strange kind of faith, basically jesus is spiritually kicking the shit out of you for sinning and saying 'luv u'
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Before walking into the store we noticed that someone had written on the road in front (in street chalk) "Jesus is watching you, sinners". Now it was a bit odd, I'l admit it wasn't normal to see something like that, but we went in anyway.
If I saw that on the road I woud be afraid of a Christian with a sniper rifle 'judging me' from a third storey window.
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Re: crazed christians

to reiterate, it's august. halloween is not approaching.
The people who go to such lengths to celebrate halloween are probably more reasonable than your so-called 'nutjobs'.
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Re: crazed christians

I've always considered myself somewhat religious, but fanatics that go over the top, and do stuff like the video, or your story just creep me out and make me wonder about whether or not I look like that to athiest.

A good retaliation would be finding what church they attend and placing several hundred copies of Harry Potter laying about. If they're fanatics, they probably think that he's the devil.
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A good retaliation would be finding what church they attend and placing several hundred copies of Charles Darwin's Origin of the Species laying about. If they're fanatics, they probably think that he's the devil.
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FIXED.
That works too, . There's also a book called "Origins" I have that's a good read on evolution and whatnot.
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The people who go to such lengths to celebrate halloween are probably more reasonable than your so-called 'nutjobs'.
I agree with this statement, but I suspect you meant something else.
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Re: crazed christians

I'm in the Fort Worth area too from time to time. What mall was this, so I can avoid it?
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Re: crazed christians

you could just calmly point out to them that a sinners circle is as pagan as halloween.

but I doubt that they are doctrinally competent.

What you can do in practice is the next time someone says that Islam is evil or fanatical. Remember this. A nutjob is a nutjob is a nutjob. They exist in all social groups, every race, every creed. The best thing you can get from this experience is learn that; and remember that Jesus wasn't a nutjob. Maybe he was the son of god. Maybe he wasn't. But he was definately a good guy.
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Re: crazed christians

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to reiterate, it's august. halloween is not approaching.
The people who go to such lengths to celebrate halloween are probably more reasonable than your so-called 'nutjobs'.

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I'm in the Fort Worth area too from time to time. What mall was this, so I can avoid it?
It was that one off 30 near Sam's Club/Bryant Irvine, Ridglea Park or something. Can't remember it's name off the top of my head.

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A good retaliation would be finding what church they attend and placing several hundred copies of Harry Potter laying about. If they're fanatics, they probably think that he's the devil.
rofl... i'd love to do that. i remember when there was a ban in my highschool on harry potter books -- they really are ridiculous out here!

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If I saw that on the road I woud be afraid of a Christian with a sniper rifle 'judging me' from a third storey window.
ROFL... crap... I really hadn't thought of that lol
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i'd love to do that. i remember when there was a ban in my highschool on harry potter books -- they really are ridiculous out here!
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Thankgod for my countries continued decline into godlessness.
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What you can do in practice is the next time someone says that Islam is evil or fanatical. Remember this. A nutjob is a nutjob is a nutjob. They exist in all social groups, every race, every creed.
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But he was definately a good guy.
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Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has “come not to send peace, but a sword.” Matthew 10:34

Jesus says, “Don’t imagine that I came to bring peace on earth! No, rather a sword lf you love your father, mother, sister, brother, more than me, you are not worthy of being mine. “The real beauty of this verse is that Jesus demands people truly love him more then they love their own family. I ask you how can we love someone that we can not see or interact with? Love is an emotion pertaining to physical existence not to faithful ideologies, yet God threatens you with Death just because your love for your mother maybe stronger than your love for him. Matthew 10:34

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus. “Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." Matthew 10:21

Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. Matthew 5:17



Jesus advocates murder and death:

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn’t care for his preaching. Matthew 11:20

Jesus, whose clothes are dipped in blood, has a sharp sword sticking out of his mouth. Thus attired, he treads the winepress of the wrath of God. (The winepress is the actual press that humans shall be put into so that we may be ground up.) Revelations 19:13-15

The beast and the false prophet are cast alive into a lake of fire. The rest of us the unchosen will be killed with the sword of Jesus. “An all the fowls were filled with their flesh.” Revelations 19:20-21



Jesus says he is the only way to salvation yet he purposely disillusions us so that we will go to hell:

Jesus explains that the reason he speaks in parables is so that no one will understand him, “lest . . . they . . . should understand . . . and should be converted, and I should heal them.” Matthew 13:10-15

Jesus explains why he speaks in parables to confuse people so they will go to hell. Mark 4:11-12



Jesus advocates child abuse:

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7

Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he’ll give your a big reward. Jesus asks that his followers abandon their children to follow him. To leave your child is abuse, it’s called neglect, pure and simple. Matthew 19:29

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark 7:9



A few other things about Jesus:

Jesus says that those who have been less fortunate in this life will have it even worse in the life to come. Mark 4:25

Jesus sends the devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. Clearly Jesus could have simply sent the devils out, yet he chose instead to place them into pigs and kill them. This is called animal abuse. Mark 5:12-13

Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing figs, even though it was out of season. Jesus must not be as smart as Christians would have us believe, for he was retarded enough to do something this silly. You’d think the son of god (god incarnate) would know that trees don’t bear fruit in dry season. Mark 11:13

Luke 12:47 Jesus okays beating slaves.
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I was pointing out that Jesus wasn't a particularly nice person in the bible.

Just because the only link I could remember without googling was written by an idiot doesn't make the point less valid.
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I was pointing out that Jesus wasn't a particularly nice person in the bible.

Just because the only link I could remember without googling was written by an idiot doesn't make the point less valid.
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I was pointing out that Jesus wasn't a particularly nice person in the bible.

Just because the only link I could remember without googling was written by an idiot doesn't make the point less valid.
When you cut and paste an argument which states:

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Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” Matthew 15:4-7
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Our local Church just offers an alternative for the kids around Halloween. We have a "Hebrew Market Place" where the kids plays games and get candy. Usually its about a week or two before Halloween but since we are not having a Judgement House this year we may have the Hebrew Market Place closer to Halloween.

Some preachers such as Perry Stone believe that the end times are here. Some "nut job" Christians may wrongly believe that gives them an open invitation to do crazy things.
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Is the hebrew market place run by capitalist jews? btw judgement house!?!?

i thought bible bashing americana was a myth.
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That's funny, I swore having a market place in a temple (church) made Jesus go nuts and trash the place because it was sacrilegious. I'd rather see the kids celebrating Halloween. Or they could do a Harvest festival, which is much more mellow.
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That's funny, I swore having a market place in a temple (church) made Jesus go nuts and trash the place because it was sacrilegious. I'd rather see the kids celebrating Halloween. Or they could do a Harvest festival, which is much more mellow.
The market in the temple was used to separate the poor from the wealthy. To enter the Sanctuary required an offering the poor could not afford to pay.
The blood of the animals was used to cleanse their sin by the priests. Obviously the poor could not buy an animal to slaughter and were segregated inside the Temple. This is why Jesus drove them out to stop making the Temple a tool to separate people.

By the way our "Hebrew Market Place" has no actual buying or selling. Its just something fun for the kids.
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The market in the temple was used to separate the poor from the wealthy. To enter the Sanctuary required an offering the poor could not afford to pay.
The blood of the animals was used to cleanse their sin by the priests. Obviously the poor could not buy an animal to slaughter and were segregated inside the Temple. This is why Jesus drove them out to stop making the Temple a tool to separate people.
The money changers were in the temple primarily to facilitate payment of the temple tax, which was mandatory for all--rich or poor. The tax was 1/2 shekel per year for each male at or over the age of 20 and only (Tyrian) shekels were accepted by the priests.

Animals for sacrifice could also be purchased at the temple. This was for the convenience of those who did not live nearby as they would not have to bring their animals in tow. Worshipers would offer a cow, sheep, goat and the poorest would offer a dove.

At first glance, neither the sale of animals nor the changing of money appears to be grounds for outrage. If your religion requires payment only in a particular currency and uses animals in its services, then money changers and animal sellers would seem to be a convenience if not a necessity. If the animals at the temple were too expensive then you could bring your own from home or buy them elsewhere or just buy a cheaper animal. Likewise, if the rates charged by the money changers was too high, then you could buy shekels from someone else. It's certainly possible that the 1/2 shekel tax was too high for some people but it's difficult to see how driving the money changers out of temple would have helped the poor to pay the tax.

However, Tyrian shekels were noted for their uniform weight and fineness (silver content). In some respects, they were better than the roman coinage which would have been the "official" currency of the region. One of the principles of coinage is that bad money drives out good money, so shekels may not have circulated much at all as people would have hoarded shekels and spent other coinage instead. Shekels could have commanded a premium over other coinage (although again, it's not clear that the money changers at the temple would have been able to charge that much more than anyone else).

One possibility is that the money changers at the temple (with the cooperation of the priests) may have been able to corner the (local) market on shekels. With little competition, they woiuld have been able to charge whatever they could get. They would sell you only enough shekels to pay your own tax, which you would then pay to the priests, and the priests would sell the shekels back to the money changers (splitting the profits). With the slow pace of commerce at that time, there may not have been enough additional shekels coming into Jerusalem to overthrow their monopoly.

Thus, the priest's opposition to Jesus might not have been only on religious grounds (cue conspiratorial music ).
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Thus, the priest's opposition to Jesus might not have been only on religious grounds (cue conspiratorial music ).
Jesus rarely displays his anger and displeasure with such demonstrative action and such fervent emotion. Passover was the celebration of God's deliverance of the Israelites from the bondage of Egypt. God's people came to Jerusalem and the Temple from all over the world to remember and celebrate God's powerful grace. For this celebration to be turned into a time for scrounging money out of Israelite visitors was a desecration of the Passover Feast and the Temple. Jesus doesn’t want us to turn God’s Temple into a place to transact business and to take advantage of our brothers and sisters in Christ. Instead, he wants the fellowship of his people to be a place of deliverance, grace, and prayer!

Jesus invades the Temple to restore it to its purpose. This was to be a place of prayer. This place was to open to all the nations. This place wasn't about making a profit off people seeking God. This place wasn't about merchandising the grace of God. While Jesus' actions were bold and shocking to those of his day, we have a tendency to let the distance in both time and culture soften the implications. If Jesus invades our hearts, our worship, our religious places and times, what sacred cows will he drive away? Are we open to other nations and cultures? Are we about being a place and people of prayer? How have we sold out our Savior and our worship of him to our over-commercialized culture? How have we let religious charlatans fleece God-seeking people? And if our bodies are God's temple, then what does this all mean for us?

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Exclamation Re: crazed christians

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Originally Posted by Travler
Jesus rarely displays his anger and displeasure with such demonstrative action and such fervent emotion. Passover was the celebration of God's deliverance of the Israelites from the bondage of Egypt. God's people came to Jerusalem and the Temple from all over the world to remember and celebrate God's powerful grace. For this celebration to be turned into a time for scrounging money out of Israelite visitors was a desecration of the Passover Feast and the Temple. Jesus doesn’t want us to turn God’s Temple into a place to transact business and to take advantage of our brothers and sisters in Christ. Instead, he wants the fellowship of his people to be a place of deliverance, grace, and prayer!
The Temple Tax was a long-standing institution, probably dating from the exodus out of Egypt:
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Originally Posted by Exod. 30:11-16
And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them. This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs) an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD. Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD. The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls. And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
Jesus himself pays the Temple Tax (actually, he instructs Peter to pay for both of them):
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Originally Posted by Matt. 17:27
Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.
I guess it's easy to dispense with the money changers when you can get your shekel from a fish. :/
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