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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 18:14   #1
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mr brick's departure. facts

fact. at this point mrbrick is not a member of the pateam

fact. jolt (keef) decided that he had left. this was announced by keef (the portal has since been attacked and posts, along with a lot of other stuff deleted. nothing vital was lost, no information was 'stolen', but it's annoying that the post is no longer there)

to be honest, that's about where the facts dry up.

was mrbrick sacked, did he resign? to be honest, i'm not really sure and i watched it happening.
did mit and karm sack him? again, not really sure. at this point i'd say not, but i know their side of the story better than i do mrbrick's.

in an effort to clear this up, i could post what i think is the truth, it'd be more than you've had so far, but somehow i think not enough. so, i intend, assuming cooperation by mrbrick and the rest of the pateam, to post both sides of the story, and let people draw their own conclusions.

a novel idea for pa, but one i'm hoping will work and lead to more info flowing your way.

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having talked to mrbrick i think i've no a fair idea what's been going on.

apparently, the whole thing kicked off because mrbrick had been out of contact for around 3 weeks due to personal reasons.

during this time the current team suggest that pa was in trouble, that nothing was getting done and that when the servers died multiple time mrbrick was about, but did nothing. mrbrick suggests that he was still working on planetarion stuff and that no e-mails were sent his way indicating that anything was wrong.

This reached a climax at ice-lady's xmas party when karm talked to mrbrick. mrbrick suggests that karm interpreted him shirking the issue of planetarion as his resignation, that karm told him that jolt wanted to sack him and that no pa talk was supposed to happen at the party. the pateam suggests that mrbrick repeatedly suggested that he wanted to resign and that he wanted to be sacked.

this resulted in mrbrick's [edit to the right coords] 1:1:7 [/edit]planet being deleted, along with his game admin access. mrbrick suggest that this was done without consulting him and without an ok from jolt. the pateam suggest that it's standard procedure to remove someone who's said they're quitting, to avoid any "i'm leaving, let's have a laugh" type bahevior, and they were therefore acting within established practices.

mrbrick arrived in the pateam channel earlyish on monday when noone was active and changed the topic to something asking what was going on and why he had no admin access. as noone was active noone answered and he left after a few minutes.

he later returned to find that the topic had been changed without a reply been given. understandably a little upset an argument errupted which resulted in him /parting the channel.

keef then showed up and talked to people. after a while mrbrick returned to the channel, apparently seeking an apology from those who'd deleted his admin access. another fight erupted which resulted in mrbrick leaving the channel again (he has asked me to mention at this point, that he has appologised for his 3 weeks inactiivty). mrbrick then continued to talk to keef for a while, and decided to leave the pateam.

i hope that clears up what's happened.
personally, i've reached the conclusion that mrbrick probably didn't resign, but he also wasn't really booted by any of the pateam. as keef's news post said, he ended up leaving the team, as far as i can tell without any real leaving or kicking.

moral of this story. had people appologised and admitted mistakes, i'd probably not be posting this. had people been able to avoid arguing i'd probably not be posting this. depressing isn't it.

anyway, people asked for the truth. as far as i'm aware, you have it.

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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 18:22   #2
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

Basicaly your posting to say that at this point in time, you dont know anything.

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Well I for one feel enlightened.
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

i know plenty, but as i said, if i posted it'd be one sided. and that would achieve nothing

why post this?

well, people keep telling me that pa should tell players what we're doing, so i am. and it'll hopefully save a load of other threads that achieve very little

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It would be better (imo) to hear a one sided story than to hear nothing. At least we can then get the other side at some point.
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fact. jolt (keef) decided that he had left. this was announced by keef (the portal has since been attacked and posts, along with a lot of other stuff deleted. nothing vital was lost, no information was 'stolen', but it's annoying that the post is no longer there)
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First off, it's with sadness that I have to inform you that MrBrick is no longer a member of PATeam. We wish him luck with whatever he chooses to do.

Secondly, PAX is approaching it's close and I know some of you are awaiting details of what Jolt and PAteam have in store for Planetarion's future, I’ll attempt to clear a few things up...

1) There will be some speedgames of various types shortly; more details will follow over the holiday period.

2) Round 11 plans are still unfolding, and PATeam is trying to take on board the community’s opinions and suggestions for the future. We'll keep you updated as we progress with our plans.

Despite our apparent lack of "presence" we do monitor what happens in the game, and if you have any comments not related to Support/Payment issues you can e-mail me at keith~at~jolt.co.uk .

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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

Listen to the wise PA Team
It speaks the truth and nothing less
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Serenity and Goodness comes from Karmulian himself.

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Acrostics are so 8 year old.
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Look, it was intended for PA Team ok?
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well, id for one like to know the answer
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your quick aren't you
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oh... well if you hadnt used such big words Acrostics i could have figured it out :-(

Im not that retarded am i?
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origonal post edited having talked to people

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Brave of u to post all that imo but nice to see facts non the less!
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id place that blame on Karm....
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May I point out that this is a gross misinterpretation, and I believe Karm may even agree with me on that to some extent.
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I would agree, will repost something a bit more accurate tomorrow
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

whether you agree or disagree ( cida), you should agree that at least someone is informing the ones that put money out to play some answers to the questions that are being asked. Now.. I suggest that if anyone has any questions regarding this thread then ask them.. if you just want to make things worse and worse.. why not find another forum to spam on.
thanks mist. you have enformed me of several things. Shame on all of you at a festive christmas party to talk crap.. *wonders how much alcohol was involved*
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May I point out that this is a gross misinterpretation, and I believe Karm may even agree with me on that to some extent.
It might be worth you elaborating. Threads like this start because of a lack of information.
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fact. at this point mrbrick is not a member of the pateam

etc.

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I have already asked you in another thread and I want to ask you again: What makes you, the PA Team respectively, think that you are able to work on PA's public relations? Your post is amateurish to say the least. Ever thought about the fact that capitalization is there for a reason? It really does improve the 'readability' - believe it or not.

Posting second hand information tinctured by your private emotions and hearsay will achieve nothing except further alienation between the players and PA Team. And the comments made by MrBrick and Karmulian even strenghten my point. I thinkt that MrBrick was even fairly generous in calling your PR attempt a "misinterpretation".
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

easy laputa..

I give mist credit for at least making an attempt if you disagree with facts then do say so, but as I see it you didnt give anything constructive. Im sure people are going to just flame away with whatever the responce is. Have you personally spoken to MrBrick? or any of the "team" for that matter? Even though I dont play anymore, I have taken the time to try to find out why I left. Give them a chance to fly or crash. In the least, you can say that you made an attempt to let them have thier chance. MrBrick. I would ask you to take some time and thought and offer your opinion .. Heck Mit also. Id like to see what is behind that curtain you all gather behind to do your collective thinkings.
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I want karma and the bricks whole story. Without it this whole thread is useless.
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I give mist credit for at least making an attempt if you disagree with facts then do say so, but as I see it you didnt give anything constructive.
I don't know the facts why and how MrBrick left and that wasn't the point of my post anyway. I simply want to get rid off people in PA Team who are filling positions they can not live up to. Otherwise the players are doomed to go through the same shit PR wise they had to go through for the last months. If there is a reorganization PA Team should do it the proper way and think about who they are putting in which field. Someone who is posting an official sticky thread based on nothing but hearsay and private emotions should NOT be in the PR 'department'.
Hell even Karmulian - mist's boss - stated that mist's post needs some amendments.
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One may hope that it is not PA Team's intent to provide more of this information, which is second-guessed and declared to be a 'misinterpretation' by the people involved. No offense, mist, but I'm not sure you want to come across as either a journalist bringing an issue out, or as an official PA Team spokesperson attempting to publicize information - considering you've utterly failed at both.

Having information you publicize openly second-guessed and passed off as a 'misinterpretation' by your peers and those directly involved doesn't exactly paint a picture of you as a reliable spokesperson for future PA Team publications - a condemning image to have if you are to be part of the PR staff. And if you try to play the "I'm acting as a person or a player, not as a PA Team member", then you'll need to get it in your head pretty fast that every fart you'll be letting slip will now bear some official Planetarion capacity and will be scrutinized as such.
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

may i just say, as i look at these boards that this may be the reason we dont get much information about the goings on of PA.

I mean, here, we have mist, trying to bring out information, and all i see is flaming for the low-quality journalism. It might not be the New York Times, but its the National Enquirer, and for right now, im happy with that.

Lets all just take one collective hug, make mist the pivot-point and have a jolly good ol time. Mr Brick can come too. Not Karm. :-P
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Re: mr brick's departure. facts

After careful reading, I have to say...What? Theres not one shred of usable information there. What a complete and utter waste of a post and my time to read it. We now know less then we did before the post. Brick is gone and we don't realy know why. But we do know that amateur hour reigns supreme at PA headquarters yet again.
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One of PAs biggest problem has always been communication or the lack of it.

PAteam has never been good at handing information to the paying public, and by the sounds of all this there are even communication problems within the team. Hopefully all of this will finally teach them to sort it all out once and for all.
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One of PAs biggest problem has always been communication or the lack of it.

PAteam has never been good at handing information to the paying public, and by the sounds of all this there are even communication problems within the team. Hopefully all of this will finally teach them to sort it all out once and for all.
it seems to be me jolt should have more control over the pateam, since i would imagine they (jolt) have more experience running a business/team and communicating. Either that or pateam has someone in charge who knows more about business practices and organisation, managing etc and less about actual game specifics.

I had the impression that mr brick was of this ilk, imho he did a good job. He doesnt seem to have been treated particularly well but at the same time you've got to ask,

How did the situation take 3 weeks to come to a head? Doesnt anyone use the telephone these days?


If pa team is going to be a 'council' then they'd better have an official spokesperson otherwise we'll be getting 5 versions of everthing that happens and that aint gonna be helpful.
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One of PAs biggest problem has always been communication or the lack of it.

PAteam has never been good at handing information to the paying public, and by the sounds of all this there are even communication problems within the team. Hopefully all of this will finally teach them to sort it all out once and for all.
The annoying thing is MrBrick was one of the few people willing to listen to concerns about lack of communication and the communication with the helpers outside PATeam and the paying customers was getting much better. As i've said elsewhere I think alot of this was due to the structure he setup of everyone reporting to him rather than the more traditional method of each section having a head who was responsable for that area. When you split the running like that you have a problem of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing and vise versa which means no-one can ever give out any info becuase they only know part of the situation and if they do fall into the trap of doing so it just leaves so many unanswered questions that the situation gets much worse

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How did the situation take 3 weeks to come to a head? Doesnt anyone use the telephone these days?
I have to ask the same, in that 3 week period I had sent emails to MrBrick and received replies to them so he wanst totally out of contact so It does seem strange that this became such an issue
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the funny thing about it... is that sounds like alliance problems.. like the one on virus ( irvine and big i think ) and such kid crap..

is this business. or a gossip game?

// edit

what was rest of this post can b found here... it sounds more... " ok " there.

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PA Team?

Im not seeing any team work here, just bitching.
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it seems to be me jolt should have more control over the pateam, since i would imagine they (jolt) have more experience running a business/team and communicating. Either that or pateam has someone in charge who knows more about business practices and organisation, managing etc and less about actual game specifics.

I had the impression that mr brick was of this ilk, imho he did a good job. He doesnt seem to have been treated particularly well but at the same time you've got to ask,

How did the situation take 3 weeks to come to a head? Doesnt anyone use the telephone these days?
Yes, but a phone number is helpful... the only people that do have his phone number, TRIED to contact him to get the answer phone constantly... it is not like we didn't try to contact him to find out what was going on. Having said that, even thou he was 'busy' and unable to get to the internet (thats what i was told by the team) he still managed to check his emails it would seem.

Letting us know he wasn't going to be around for X reason for Y weeks would have certainly been more useful than just disappearing and leaving us all in the lurch.

Since we've got re-arranged, i've managed to get far more done than in the past 4 or so weeks... including starting some work on rnd 11. heh
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Letting us know he wasn't going to be around for X reason for Y weeks would have certainly been more useful than just disappearing and leaving us all in the lurch.
Sounds more like he'd gone into hiding
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Mr Brick gave me an easter egg, he seems to be one of the only 'sound' PA team people out there, the rest are suffering from terminal CHUAS.
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Heh, when MrBrick was opted to sort things out, i knew it wouldnt last, one way or another.

Personally i thought he would have just quit outright, instead of this..

Seems alot happens when you deside PLanetarion is crap and not worth being part of.
It has taken 10rounds for PA to actually listen to the community, and even then the shit ideas come through and get used.

Many ideas that are profitable and worthwhile, never get used or talked about.

Good help is hard ot find.
And wtf is with this xmas theme on the forums, using R1 planetarion images, stupid ass colour scheme, xmas is white/silver and such not bloody red and green.

Its all gone to pots i tell you, and the simple concept of communications is the reason for all the problems that ever happen, when will peopel learn hwo to talk?

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And wtf is with this xmas theme on the forums, using R1 planetarion images, stupid ass colour scheme, xmas is white/silver and such not bloody red and green.
What colours are associated with Christmas is a personal thing. Personally I'd associate red/green with Christmas a lot more than white/silver.

If it bothers you, then simply select one of the other forum styles using the dropdown box on the left-hand bottom. It's not like you have to watch the Christmas style
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i aint here long enough to be bothered.. just wanted to moan about it
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I say fire everyone bar karm.
Give pa to hinch for free.

Then ban paracidda..
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who didn't see this coming?


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someone asked for Jolt to take more direct control. That would require them to actually hire some staff wouldnt it
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Yes, but a phone number is helpful... the only people that do have his phone number, TRIED to contact him to get the answer phone constantly... it is not like we didn't try to contact him to find out what was going on. Having said that, even thou he was 'busy' and unable to get to the internet (thats what i was told by the team) he still managed to check his emails it would seem.

Letting us know he wasn't going to be around for X reason for Y weeks would have certainly been more useful than just disappearing and leaving us all in the lurch.

Since we've got re-arranged, i've managed to get far more done than in the past 4 or so weeks... including starting some work on rnd 11. heh
Jolt = The lose. Nuff said really. PA makes them no money, why should they care? the Jolt support is shit (took me 2 months for me to get money back from Jolt that they owed me when they overcharged my credit card, and i only got it back as i threatened to take them to the small claims court), all the decent pateam members have left, so its not really PA anymore, its more like a game that will be run until the new "creators" get bored of it, which doesnt take long. your PR is utter bollocks, you have people that just post posts to stir trouble (mist) and then you have the pa team arguing. To be a Jolt admin you need to sign a NDA (for think its 3 years ive forgotten) this means you talk about nothing to do with whats happening. So if you are a part of planetarion, you have signed an NDA so you've all broken it everytime you post on here. So technically mist and the others should all be kicked.

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They over charged ur cretit card O.o.. thats dirteh...

Well, jolt figures that "we gave them a server.what more do they want, after all we arent running a charity ARE WE" ;-) ::rolls eyes::

they thought the over-charge was gratuity... like at the pubs where they automaticly add it on because they think ur too drunk to notice O.o
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Well, jolt figures that "we gave them a server.what more do they want, after all we arent running a charity ARE WE" ;-) ::rolls eyes::
It probably turned into a charity in between They could always just decide to pull the plug and take their losses as a lesson.
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Heh, the full story will never go up because it will be removed.
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