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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 01:23   #1
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So what is PA Team now?

Since I have left the PA Team I have not spend much time on planetarion, however recent events have sparked my interest a bit towards my old home. Since spinner has left my opinion of the PA Team has not been a good one, I felt that the people who remained were more interested in ascending the ranks rather than helping the game.

So now, MrBrick, NB3 and JBG have left the PA Team, Fudge isn't even on the comprehensive .gif file they have released and Mit and Karmulian seem to be calling the shots.
So now the question remains, what is the PA Team, again people have left/were kicked (still unclear about this), everytime a batch of people are outsourced a spanking new one is promoted from the #support staff. People that were once not even allowed to know who the multihunter was now have admin access to the game.

Where is jolt? Keef is supposed to be the jolt liason, but he seems to do even less than karmulian around here. All Jolt has done for us is say how they will continue to support PA, to me that reads they'll continue to run planetarion on a server somewhere and rake in the cash of whomever is foolish enough to pay for this game.

Right now I'd say we have 2 people in charge who have been saying they are going to quit since Round 9 because the users moan too much and who have threatened to excert their power in ways that would harm this game. We have people that are given administrator access because there simply is no-one else to give it too. Posts are being deleted, events hushed up and planetarion keeps suffering from it.

So I am left to conclude that although this should be a period of reconstruction for planetarion that the current PA Team is in the worst shape ever. I would be interested in an 'official' reply from the PA Team as to what they have already achieved during the period that spinner left and what chain of events lead to the leaving/dismissal of the creator, the support manager and the forum leader person thingy.
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 01:52   #2
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

PA Team has undergone a reformation in the last couple of days and has been changed to a council based system instead of one where there is a creator in charge. As there are none of the original creators left (fudge left at the same time as Spinner but has been around donating time when things go wrong) we have abolished the term "creator". As of now the 5 managers are the "heads" of PA if that's what you'd like to call us. These comprise of the managers of:
- PA Team and IRC channels
- Game Development and Day-to-Day running of the game including multihunters
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- Forums
- Communications and PR
All the managers have the same access to the game and the same level of authority.

Keef is, as before, the Jolt liason to PA Team and is our main method of communication between us and them regarding things like payment methods, game servers, other Jolt related things.

Over the last couple of weeks we have made one or two mistakes depending on how you look at it. It has been a time of transition and now the changes have been announced we hope to be able to finally make some progress.

At the current time we are trying to get the NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreement's) from Jolt which are required to get server access sorted out.

In the meantime if you have any suggestions on how to take Planetarion forward please visit the Suggestions Forum.
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 01:54   #3
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

So many words, so little meaning.

Why don't you stop talking nonsense and answer my question:

What have you actually accomplished besides creating more drama and a promotion for all of you.
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 01:56   #4
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

  • An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
  • Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
  • Continuation of PA into Rnd11
  • Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
  • Therefore less reliance on jolt
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:06   #6
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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  • An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
  • Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
  • Continuation of PA into Rnd11
  • Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
  • Therefore less reliance on jolt
So you want to pass off continuous reorganisations of PA Team (for various, undisclosed, reasons), the fact that planetarion won't die after this round and a few server accounts as accomplishments?

Oh and just a heads up in regards to those speed round plans, meaning to do something does not mean you did do it. I don't think my perfect plan to take over the world would count as a real accomplishment.
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:16   #7
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

Oh i agree entirely,

however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

At this point i'm tempted to point out that forms of collective flat-level government in the past has failed miserably, but i'd probably get shouted at if i did.
Oh damn.
Anyway, i guess only time will tell... besides, there's a first time for everything!
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:28   #9
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Oh i agree entirely,

however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa
Ah I get it.

So because you never (supposedly) accomplished something under spinner you don't have to accomplish anything now either.

I see you're doing quite great at this PR job.
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:30   #10
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

Nothing like putting a spin on things is there Parra?
Nice to see PD hasn't changed...

I'm assured things are being coordinated. And i mean, you've got to admit, with any changes of this sort it takes a while to settle down....
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

I think sufficed to say everything i say you will talk the opposite of its true meaning,
therefore there is little point continuing
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:39   #12
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

So these 5 new leaders is Phil^, Mit, A2, Karmulian and a another you havent decided yet..
All these 5 will have full access to the game and the server?

Does anyone beside Mit and his team need access to the servers? and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??

What is the purpose of Aryn and Mist realy?

Have you made any rules about how you deal with problems? and is there any rules how the team should behave towards its paying customers, or will we still have members who calls ppl for liers and whole alliances as cheaters?
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 02:50   #13
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

Allright, since you feel my replies are not constructive towards this thread I'll shed a little light into my reasoning.

The 'results of your work' as you so deem to acknowledge them are in my view worth absolutely nothing. You have been busy for weeks and all you have to show for it but continiuous reorganisations of the team (the tool that is supposed to produce results) under shady circumstances, some server accounts and a lot of 'plans to do stuff'. Upon pointing this out to you I get a reference to the past were things were also not great all the time, which either has no relevation to this discussion at all or is a tacit admission of my statement. So if it is not the tacit admission (as I assumed it to be and you now denied it not to be) then it simply did not make sense. I was not comparing the accomplishments of pa team with previous incarnations of it but I was trying to quantify them.

Also mushroom, incase you didn't know: Karm/Mit just removed MrBricks access without consulting anyone (specifically jolt), some members of PA Team left over this in disgust.
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

Generally, I'd have to agree with ParraCida's posts...I was actually on my way to write something similar after getting off work and reading the portal announcement--so thanks Parra, for saving me the trouble
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa

Hi.

Things were a thousand times better under spinner's reign.

You have plans, yet you seem incredibly unable to update people on a daily basis.

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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 08:32   #16
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

Why did MrBrick Leave?
What happend there?

Good luck. MAke a good job of it, please!
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i look forward to yet more reorganisations as joltts milestones fail to be achieved yet again
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

For your info ParraCida, Keef did make a news-piece on the portal yesterday but it vanished for some reason.
He is 'alive' etc.

(just filling you in if you didn't know)
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and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??
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Also mushroom, incase you didn't know: Karm/Mit just removed MrBricks access without consulting anyone (specifically jolt), some members of PA Team left over this in disgust.
Ohhh shame shame shame. This small fact I did not know. shame shame shame. I liked MrBrick. TBH he made his mistakes BUT he admitted to them, then tried to correct them. It is very sad thing to see PA die this death. I truely hope that Spinner doesnt check up on things just to see how its going. He would be disappointed.. or maybe he knew this would be its demise and allowed this to happen so he didnt have to kill it himself. BTW How ya been Cida. Have a Happy and Safe Holiday. oh yeah .. and again shame shame shame on you Admin if this is the truth... of which Im sure you wont admit to anyway.
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From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:
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Hi Hexy, I do check up on things now and then, and it is not at all amusing to see what has happened and is still happening.

Sad to see, but hardly surprising.
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From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:
Quite amusing that anyone would want 'power' over PA as it is now :gollum:
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From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:
That removes the little bit of respect who was left for Mit and Karm in their attemt to takeover pa
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Quite amusing that anyone would want 'power' over PA as it is now :gollum:

Yeah, but this IS Karmulian/Mit we're talking about. In fact, those two people are on my list of "last people who should EVER have control".

Generally, most of the people left in PA Team are wankers of that calibre (I know you wanted to say it Spinner).

If you want a "real" creator, talk to someone like A2. I think he's the only respectable person left in there that I can see from their little structure .gif thing.
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Cheesy your still alive \o/ \o/

As for the whole team situation i think it is down to jolt to resolve after all its there game.
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You're still the daddeh Ash!
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Generally, most of the people left in PA Team are wankers of that calibre (I know you wanted to say it Spinner).
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it seems that, thus far at least, the discussion over MrB's departure has been rather one sided. as far as i'm aware noone's actually heard the pateam's side of things.

while others seem happy to flame away, perhaps some would rather avoid it and just get on with things?

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My comments weren't aimed at you, as you can probably guess, I don't know you and thus cannot comment on your wank-ness (or for that matter, ace-ness)

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it seems that, thus far at least, the discussion over MrB's departure has been rather one sided. as far as i'm aware noone's actually heard the pateam's side of things.
If Spinner (and everyone else I heard the same "rumor" from) is right, then why would two people who basically ousted a legitimately-appointed (Jolt did pick him, after all) administrator wish to discuss the matter in public?

If there wasn't anything to hide, we'd have heard their side of the story. Being as it's too dodgy, we have not.

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Or they're keeping their heads down to avoid being hit by all the shit flying around...
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Hi Hexy, I do check up on things now and then, and it is not at all amusing to see what has happened and is still happening.

Sad to see, but hardly surprising.

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i thought i knew you from elite in round 3 (or was it 4, too long ago)

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If there wasn't anything to hide, we'd have heard their side of the story. Being as it's too dodgy, we have not.

Or they're keeping their heads down to avoid being hit by all the shit flying around...
MrB's side (note, not MrB himself) doesn't seem particularly... chocolates and roses towards some people. i MEANT to suggest that perhaps the crew would like to avoid returning the favour

hence the comment about flame wars.

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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Hi Hexy, I do check up on things now and then, and it is not at all amusing to see what has happened and is still happening.

Sad to see, but hardly surprising.
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MrB's side (note, not MrB himself) doesn't seem particularly... chocolates and roses towards some people. i MEANT to suggest that perhaps the crew would like to avoid returning the favour-mist
Looking on http://pirate.planetarion.com/pateam.gif i see that your job is in the PR team, as a player liason? without realy knowing what liason means, i think thats just a role without any work, who was given to you to keep you on the team.

For Karm and Mit to be able to take over Pa Team they need support, and it seems they have got it from Mist, Aryn and the others who dont realy is now in pa team to make a diffrence, they are just there to support the "leaders"..

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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 17:05   #35
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Does anyone beside Mit and his team need access to the servers? and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??
No one other than myself -needs- acccess to the servers.
And no, not yet (other than fudge) - its not just access thats needed, its knowing how the system works and how to do the rollback too. You see if you can do something like that, when you are dumped into a new position not knowing exactly how something is done... you have to find out, learn, ask etc...
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That removes the little bit of respect who was left for Mit and Karm in their attemt to takeover pa
Take over, no, rescue and revive, yes
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From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:
I see what actually happened being twisted a bit...
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Take over, no, rescue and revive, yes
That might be true, im just saying how it looks from the outside, without realy knowing whats going on in the inside and only knowing one side of the story..
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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That might be true, im just saying how it looks from the outside, without realy knowing whats going on in the inside and only knowing one side of the story..
Exactly the point, you all know ONE side of the story (MrBrick's side)
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Unread 18 Dec 2003, 17:31   #40
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Looking on http://pirate.planetarion.com/pateam.gif i see that your job is in the PR team, as a player liason? without realy knowing what liason means, i think thats just a role without any work, who was given to you to keep you on the team.
everyone's always saying we need to talk to people, and improve communications, when we make a start on doing it people complain. is there actually a way we can win?

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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Exactly the point, you all know ONE side of the story (MrBrick's side)

Hardly, since no one's really talking--just tossing out tidbits to us.

Set the record straight for us then
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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  • An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
  • Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
  • Continuation of PA into Rnd11
  • Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
  • Therefore less reliance on jolt
The speed games have been planned since the summer, and MrBrick specifically mentioned them. Ditto the continuation of PA into Rnd11.

The first one I can't comment on, but surely that's the fault of the members rather than the person in charge (you've also lost NB3 and JBG, who were immensely active).

The fourth and fifth are the same, and surely that was requested back in r9? I remember Spinner mentioning it.

These are also all generic things that would have happened under any organisation. All that's happened is you've staged a coup d'etat (for whatever reason) and increased the beaurocracy.
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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Yeah, but this IS Karmulian/Mit we're talking about. In fact, those two people are on my list of "last people who should EVER have control".

Generally, most of the people left in PA Team are wankers of that calibre (I know you wanted to say it Spinner).
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As can be seen fairly often the guys in the 2nd row in the struggle for power are now crawling to the top - but they probably were in the second row for a reason. When all competition is gone the leftovers without sufficient qualification finally are able to have a say in things. Maybe Jolt is smart enough to recognize that they are not about to earn more money and that the current team is not sustainable. Then again I kinda doubt that Jolt even cares.

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Oh, and once again: Karm in control of PR.

Hoho.
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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everyone's always saying we need to talk to people, and improve communications, when we make a start on doing it people complain. is there actually a way we can win?

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Yes there is. Qualified people doing a good job. That you are rather new to PR can be seen in every single post in this thread so far. How did you get picked and what do you have to qualify for a PR job on PA Team?
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Re: So what is PA Team now?

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From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:
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I see Mit amoungst others comment about the one sided arguments in the favour of MrB yet I see no attempt at providing a counter argument, something that suggests to me they have none.

If jolt are the owners of PA with MrB being their appointed manager and he was removed without his or jolts concent, who I may add are now trying to get him back, the only thought in my mind is that Mit and Karm tried a power play and failed.

Frankly you are both small people who believe your power over this shadow of a game means something.
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Oh, and once again: Karm in control of PR.

Hoho.
Remanisant of a bull being in charge of a china shop....
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