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Unread 11 Jul 2005, 09:17   #1
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Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

With the new game being at the url game.planetarion.com websense now blocks this page!

However jpaweb01.planetarion.com for example is still not blocked. I'm sure I'm not alone in this and with the word "game" being a keyword websense easily blocks this.

Any chance of having it changed so websense doesn't detect it so easily and allow me and many others I'm sure to play this round?

Great game by the way....

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Unread 11 Jul 2005, 09:20   #2
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Or..... you could do some work when you are at work.. and not play games?
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

use http://jpaweb03.planetarion.com/signup.pl http://jpaweb03.planetarion.com/login.pl etc

This is as the game has moved to a new server they gave it another new DNS afaik game.planetarion.com always worked
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

thankyou very much for the info! I find time at work becuase logging in to make sure you not being attacked really doesn't take long!

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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

game. will allways point to the server being used for the main round so people can have a single link in their favourites so it should be used where possible. However as stated, jpaweb03 is the new server and that is where game currently points to.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

ok in order to handle multiple games at anyone time the game has had to be changed to allow only the correctly configured server address to work. this means that game. is now the only url that will work for the main game.

We are sorry for the inconveniance this will cause to some people, but it was needed to improve the experiance for the majority of our customers.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Just to clarify, http://game.planetarion.com/login.pl // http://game.planetarion.com/signup.pl are the links for R14, and http://beta.planetarion.com/signup.pl // http://beta.planetarion.com/login.pl are the links for the R14 preview. Using http://jpaweb01.planetarion.com and http://jpaweb03.planetarion.com won't work, as the cookies became server specific, not just one big Planetarion one.
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Any chance of having it changed so websense doesn't detect it so easily and allow me and many others I'm sure to play this round?
I'll admit to being the one who changed the configuration. The reasoning behind it is to provide a layer of redirection within the DNS configuration for the Planetarion infrastructure as we now have two servers capable of hosting rounds concurrently, jpaweb01 and jpaweb03.

If during round XIV jpaweb03 was to fail we could restore the game more or less immediately onto jpaweb01 whilst I fixed jpaweb03. However every single link and reference to jpaweb03 in the game, portal, website, forums etc would have to be tweaked to redirect players. Instead we can now redirect the DNS record for game. to point to jpaweb01 instead of jpaweb03 and you'll all magically be redirected to a working server. Yes we could redirect the DNS record for jpaweb03 to the IP address of jpaweb01 but then things start to get a little confusing and messy as the jpaweb names are what we use to refer to the actual hardware.

There'll be a few teething problems to begin with as we track down errant references to jpaweb03/01 and change them to game. and beta. but please bear with us and we'll have a more resilliant infrastructure as a result.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

What about websense? Being the point of his post, after all
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

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What about websense? Being the point of his post, after all

Looks like he will be shafted, much the same as anyone else with the same issue

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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

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What about websense? Being the point of his post, after all
In the previous code the cookies that were set by the login scripts were hard coded to be issued for .planetarion.com which doesn't work so well if we're running two games within the domain as we are now. Ontop of this, over time people had modified the code to cope with various domains and the cookie code had become a bit of a mess, issuing several cookies when it only required two. Ick!

So what I've done is to only issue a single pair of cookies for the address of the game as defined in the game's configuration. As a result the game only works on the one domain name game. instead of over any domain name within .planetarion.com that just happened to point at the correct ip address.

I'm quite happy to consider any proposed solutions to the problem, although I'm not going to simply rename the game just to get around someone's fitlering policy. Perhaps changing the configuration to issue cookies for two domains within .planetarion.com ? p45.planetarion.com anyone?
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If during round XIV jpaweb03 was to fail we could restore the game more or less immediately onto jpaweb01 whilst I fixed jpaweb03. However every single link and reference to jpaweb03 in the game, portal, website, forums etc would have to be tweaked to redirect players. Instead we can now redirect the DNS record for game. to point to jpaweb01 instead of jpaweb03 and you'll all magically be redirected to a working server.
I am not sure if you mean it this way, but if you want to use DNS entry changes to replace a faulty server then your "immediately" usually translates into "24 to 48 hours" (or even 72 hours). Seeing as you would have to wait for the slowest propagation time to avoid disadvantages for some players, you would have a 72 hour "downtime" just because of the DNS entry change.

I think i remember somebody falling for that in the past ...
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I think i remember somebody falling for that in the past ...
That's the TTL field of the DNS record and it's completely configurable. Which reminds me.... runs off to check...
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Unread 12 Jul 2005, 09:42   #14
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An alternate DNS address for the game could work well. Or is it possible to setup a wildcard so we can access the game from "infinite" urls, such as *.p45.planetarion.com. I know it's as easy to filter out wildcard address as it is a single URL in all these packages, but you never know, we might help a few people get round their weak network administrators. :-)
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

thanks for all the help guys! its just the word game that the filter picks out as pirate.planetarion.com works fine!

making the game DSN/adding another DSN - p45.planetarion.com for example would be a good solution. I understand the reasoning for having just one DSN (game.planetarion.com) active but just wish that the word "game" was replaced with something like p45.

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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

there is a way around websense. Its very easy to setup

Do a search for a cgi proxy, Host it on some of your free webspace. Use the proxy to get on. I dunno does pa allow this but i used to look at porn at college
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already tried that ages ago websense blocks the keyword/s.
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Yes, websense can get rather annoying for people.

Just set up an alternative to game.planetarion.com (like p45) and everyone should be sorted
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Any news on getting p45.planetarion.com setup? yay or nay?

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rofl - if the admins waent to block planetarion - they'll just block '.planetarion.com' and not 'game'

as for cookies, you can easily use the current 'server vhost' (certainly from within PHP / ASP) to set the cookie to the right server.
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rofl - if the admins waent to block planetarion - they'll just block '.planetarion.com' and not 'game'

as for cookies, you can easily use the current 'server vhost' (certainly from within PHP / ASP) to set the cookie to the right server.
from my dealings with webesense, the only part of urls that are picked up are game etc, planetarion itself isnt picked up.

and yes you are right, roflol if they wanted to they could block pa, but im sure once his employees it team saw it they wouldnt block it, as it poses no threat at all, my employer asked what pa was and I said it was an email program he believed me, mainly because I had mail
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I was on sandmans with all the graphs and everything my boss was like wtf is that so I told him it was just graphs i was printing of for the missus for her accounts
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rofl - if the admins waent to block planetarion - they'll just block '.planetarion.com' and not 'game'

as for cookies, you can easily use the current 'server vhost' (certainly from within PHP / ASP) to set the cookie to the right server.
Mit - remember that not everyone is a leet haxor programmer like you

This would just be a nice way to help people stuck with Websense at work. That is all.
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from my dealings with webesense, the only part of urls that are picked up are game etc, planetarion itself isnt picked up.

and yes you are right, roflol if they wanted to they could block pa, but im sure once his employees it team saw it they wouldnt block it, as it poses no threat at all, my employer asked what pa was and I said it was an email program he believed me, mainly because I had mail
where i used to work, they blocked forums.gentoo.org - no valid reason for doing so but it was banned for weeks.

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Mit - remember that not everyone is a leet haxor programmer like you

This would just be a nice way to help people stuck with Websense at work. That is all.
If they are stuck behind websense that is filtering out things - its doing it for a reason. To bypass it will be going against company policies and could end up with disciplinary measures being taken.

But yes, there are ways around it - there always will be. Those doing the security are often 1 step behind.
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where i used to work, they blocked forums.gentoo.org - no valid reason for doing so but it was banned for weeks.
It is just likely that somebody noticed that some people did spend a lot time reading and posting in forums (of some kind) at work and demanded to generally close forum access therefore...

The problem is that there are always a few who seriously abuse the freedom to do private things at work and then (since it is easier to cut off access then to manage those who overuse it) access is generally cut off.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

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If they are stuck behind websense that is filtering out things - its doing it for a reason. To bypass it will be going against company policies and could end up with disciplinary measures being taken.
Well obviously most companies dont want their employees to play games during worktime. If you seriously wanted to harm PA's customerbase, then make sure the planetarion URL is put into the "gaming site list" of websense. Guess what happens during the next filter update ...

Considering that this may give some ppl a bad idea - i dont mind if admins/mods erase this post.
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ok in order to handle multiple games at anyone time the game has had to be changed to allow only the correctly configured server address to work. this means that game. is now the only url that will work for the main game.

We are sorry for the inconveniance this will cause to some people, but it was needed to improve the experiance for the majority of our customers.
PA team are all retards, sorry to say, but you will loose a lot of customers because almost no one will be able to play from work anymore
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

ok this thread went slightly off topic but is there any chance of getting an additional url set up for the game like kloopy suggested early on in the thread?

It would be much appreciated by me and im sure others

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*bump*

Ya I have problems accessing it from work...could be something to fix for round15. Though sooner could be better.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Does newb IT technicians involve only blocking port 80 and claiming u need a password to get online like at my old job? Apparently nobody in the company had Internet access at work except the IT dept, shame i was on PA and IRC every day for the year i worked there

But yeah, it would solve a lot of problems by just changing the game. bit of the url, its not like PA can be to blame for somebody logging in at work, if ppl wanna risk getting caught and losing their job surely thats their own concern? PA was always accessible before this change, so why not change it to something which wont get blocked...
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Sorry guys to bump this again.

Did anything get sorted with the URL?

I'm also behind websense at school - it simply doesn't like the word "game".

Is it a lot of work to get another url for it? I'd greatly appreciate it, I'm sure others would too.

I'd be willing to give a donation of £10 or so for your efforts, if you do it. If other people also gave a donation, perhaps it might be worth it?
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

We are planning to give a second name - it's part of the list of things still to do. We've changed it so we can support more than one name for a server again
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When does http://p45.planetarion.com launch then?
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asap. We'll announce when it's up :-)
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I sure hope you get it fixed asap, cause I got the same problem T_T

For now I am in the military, and they filter away the word "game" between 0730 and 1530.
Its reall anoying cause I often dont have shit to do, just sitting watchig movies and stuff when I dont got Work to do. For now I am militarypolice ^_^ and ppl doesnt do that much wrong all the time, so i got much spare time for planetarion. The filter is really for those who is working in the army as I am here for one year not of my free will, just cause I have too....

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Here you go. Have three new hostnames to use. Hopefully one of them will get through your evil school/college/work filter!

http://p45.planetarion.com/
http://round15.planetarion.com/
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Should a mod be kind enough to hax0r an earlier post in order to put that information right at the top of this thread please?

And/or make an annoucement in that special forum...
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I did link to Kloopy's post specifically, so it jumped down the page after it loaded
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Yeah very nice and prompt (at least now that the thread has re-surfaced) so good job. MOTD?
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Well I tried them on my Evual Firewalls at my job, it's for the Govt, and I got through on all. So hopefully for the others it works also.
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Just as you know, some firewalls or proxy can stop the domain name like *.planetarion.com
I know some places so another domain name that they dont know of or something ?

Its not a problem for me though but i think for other active players.
That miss out on grade because to active and play PA and need access everywhere.

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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

Just bumping this to say thanks to Kloopy and anyone else who sorted the other URLs for us to access planetarion through.

Nice one guys
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Just as you know, some firewalls or proxy can stop the domain name like *.planetarion.com
I know some places so another domain name that they dont know of or something ?

Its not a problem for me though but i think for other active players.
That miss out on grade because to active and play PA and need access everywhere.

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my company firewall looks up planetarion's ip and blocks the ip directly :/
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Re: Why is the new game @ game.planetarion.com

hey, could we possibly update the urls? websense has them all now plus the round15.planetarion.com imo is out of date anyhows
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hey, could we possibly update the urls? websense has them all now plus the round15.planetarion.com imo is out of date anyhows
Ok hopefuly websense hasn't blocked this poxy. It should work
i found them by going to google and doing a search "inurlroxy.cgi" This searchs for urls with "proxy.cgi" in them. Try it yourself you might need to try a few of em before you get one. Or alternatively download the cgi proxy source and host it on your own webspace. Keep moving it around everytime websense blocks the page its on.

http://www.browseatwork.com/nph-proxy.cgi
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