The Mysterious Masked Multihunter..... Revealed

[CrazySpoon]

Such a lotta bull**** crap here. Live with it that they got in a nice multy hunter without alliance nor BG. As been said several times now, decisions are made with 2-3 hunters at least. So grow up and go play with ur barbies again.

So many people here making an elephant out of a fly.

[K-W]

Originally posted by CrazySpoon
Such a lotta bull**** crap here. Live with it that they got in a nice multy hunter without alliance nor BG. As been said several times now, decisions are made with 2-3 hunters at least. So grow up and go play with ur barbies again.

So many people here making an elephant out of a fly.

I dont think so really.
I think everyone made a fly out of a fly.

Just because its a fly doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I think that you and people who way overeacted, thinking that this was somehow an attack on parracida, were the ones who created the elephant.

[CrazySpoon]

Its not an attack on Parra, its an attack on the PA crew. The crew who made the game in the first place, who try to please the complainers complaining about multys. And now being bitched at because in your eyes they took a wrong decision. While they only try to help both you and me out getting a normal game.

[-CP-]

Well I think parracida is to be trusted in his job as multihunter, and it would surprice me a lot if he abused his powers to gain a better rank or something. Still, the multihunter in the winning galaxy can probably make some people suspicious.

Now.. if he is payed for doing this job I guess he shouldn't play "for real" anymore, but if he does it out of wanting to help the game and get rid of multies and get nothing for it, I guess it would be unfair to ask him to not do his best.

All in all this solution requires a lot of trust from the community and heavy surveilance from the PA Team, and asking for trust from this community might be a few rounds too late

However, I think people treat the PA Team very unfair at times, and jump on them for many wrong reasons. Maybe the biggest problem is we know to much about how it is run, and somehow find out most of the errors in judgement (that all people have at times), and the weird decisions made at times It is important to remember that they are human and make mistakes (no.. I don't think they have more mistakes then the rest of us).

[Eventh]

Just to sum it all up.. is a multihunter allowed to own a planet, and is he allowed to play activly??

i already know that ParraCida wont have a planet next round, but are PA Team going back to the rule they made in round 4??

i would prefer if MrBrick, Spinner or Fudge could answear this question

[Parthos]

Originally posted by MrBrick
Oxymoron appears there. You are NOT anti cheating because you tolerate cheats, in this case, your friends.

Pardon me, but I think I am. Are you too dim to recognize "don't ask, don't tell"?

I have never had any evidence or proof of mates cheating, and people don't exactly run up to me with confessions—both of which would make reporting them a bit difficult.

However I am not too dim to realize that my friend with 0 amps who just scanned a galaxy likely has a scan planet. Maybe you could give me some multi hunting tips so I could report them. Should I go up to him and ask him if he has a scan planet? But, logs generally aren't evidence. Maybe I should ask for the coords of the scan planet. I'm sure my friend, who knows of my reputation, would gladly help me turn him in. Maybe he'd give me the login too so I could have more information to report—he'd never suspect my true motives!

[K-W]

Originally posted by CrazySpoon
Its not an attack on Parra, its an attack on the PA crew. The crew who made the game in the first place, who try to please the complainers complaining about multys. And now being bitched at because in your eyes they took a wrong decision. While they only try to help both you and me out getting a normal game.

Yes, there is always more complaints than praise. Welcome to reality CrazySpoon, when you do your job right you dont get noticed. Its true in most aspects of society.

But you are absolutely wrong to criticze people who complain. The complaints are perfectly legitimate. It doesnt not follow that because PA crew do alot of good things they should be given a pass when they do a bad thing. Thats rediculous.

If you feel that PA crew deserves some more thanks, then start a thread thanking them, or write spinner a letter or something.

[Mushroom]

-CP-: Parra is not paid for his job, and neither are any of PAteam

Eventh: as far as i know, we will be going back to that as a general rule next round.

Incidentally i've hung up my admin boots now, for several reasons - i will not be involved with hunting or abuse/banners indefinitely.

[CrazySpoon]

Originally posted by K-W
Yes, there is always more complaints than praise. Welcome to reality CrazySpoon, when you do your job right you dont get noticed. Its true in most aspects of society.

But you are absolutely wrong to criticze people who complain. The complaints are perfectly legitimate. It doesnt not follow that because PA crew do alot of good things they should be given a pass when they do a bad thing. Thats rediculous.

If you feel that PA crew deserves some more thanks, then start a thread thanking them, or write spinner a letter or something.

Where did you see me say that they should get a pass etc. All I say that it is useless to repeat one and the same complaint over and over again. And by multiple persons. I aint attacking your posts specifically. Just the people that keep posting the same crap over and over again.

[K-W]

Originally posted by CrazySpoon
Where did you see me say that they should get a pass etc. All I say that it is useless to repeat one and the same complaint over and over again. And by multiple persons. I aint attacking your posts specifically. Just the people that keep posting the same crap over and over again.

Fair enough, though I think repetition is just something you live with on a forum.

[Mushroom]

Originally posted by K-W
Fair enough, though I think repetition is just something you live with on a forum.

K-W, just to clarify since there's been a lot of mixed replies to this thread and i'm confused about it now: what is your complaint?

[Mit]

Originally posted by Parthos
Pardon me, but I think I am. Are you too dim to recognize "don't ask, don't tell"?

I have never had any evidence or proof of mates cheating, and people don't exactly run up to me with confessions—both of which would make reporting them a bit difficult.

However I am not too dim to realize that my friend with 0 amps who just scanned a galaxy likely has a scan planet. Maybe you could give me some multi hunting tips so I could report them. Should I go up to him and ask him if he has a scan planet? But, logs generally aren't evidence. Maybe I should ask for the coords of the scan planet. I'm sure my friend, who knows of my reputation, would gladly help me turn him in. Maybe he'd give me the login too so I could have more information to report—he'd never suspect my true motives!

Send logs u have - if u know one set of co-ords send, we can track things and find out from any information you give us

send to [email protected] ofc

As for what is being said, i agree with the theory we (as hunters) shouldn't be allowed to play ACTIVELY, but i do NOT agree with the fact some people say we shouldn't be allowed to play at all. We're voulenteering to help improve the game, make it fair and keep u lot happy.

Someone said to me (start of rnd 9 it would be) that i shouldn't be allowed to play because i got the 'extra' database dumps on the official tools. Again, why would i do something out of my own good will for the game and the whole community, and then not be allowed to play the game and use my work. i saw that as rather unfair to me.

But, as my galaxy and alliance etc will tell u, i stopped playing properly as soon as i got the position as a hunter, i kept the planet, and occasionally sent friends def, went attacking etc. But not full on, i feel that is how we should work.

Having a 'high profile' planet on the hunting team, can be helpful thou, it obviously will get attacked a lot, showing up 'escorting' ? And yes, before anyone says anything, myself or MrBrick would look at cases on Parra's gal.

[Jebba]

Originally posted by Mit

Having a 'high profile' planet on the hunting team, can be helpful thou, it obviously will get attacked a lot, showing up 'escorting' ? And yes, before anyone says anything, myself or MrBrick would look at cases on Parra's gal.

thats a quite useless statement isnt it?

[Gayle29uk]

Originally posted by Jebba
thats a quite useless statement isnt it?

Not useless, poorly thought out maybe. The problem with having a highly placed planet in the hunter team is that it will inevitably only be attacked by 'one side' of the PA universe (I know Para has no alliance but he still has friends/links) so one group will come under more scrutiny than the rest.

Personally I wish Para all the best for R10

[HobbieRogue4]

Based on his own accord, I am pleased ParraCida will not play an active planet next round. Thank the efforts of the Multi-Hunter team and move on.

[Goatsemaster]

A person in power need not be active in game or have a good planet to be biased and abusive (just look at Prince). Most likely ParraCida's taking heat that should be directed at other people in the PA team.

Originally posted by Salt
Had Dreadnought been made a multi-hunter and done a spectacular job this round without even a hint of bias these same people that are supporting Parracida having a planet would be singing a different tune. Substitute Germ or whoever if you'd like as long as they're not one of your friends and your take on the situation would be quite different.

I would be a great multi-hunter

[CrazySpoon]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
I would be a great multi-hunter

Lol yeah right

Originally posted by CrazySpoon
Lol yeah right

yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!

[CrazySpoon]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
yeah RIGHT!!!!!!!

LOL YEAH RIGHT!!

[Rinoa]

I Take back what i said, i have finally lost it with pa team. HAving the pa team not play properly was always something you could count on. But having the multihunter ending up as gc of the winning gal is beyond a bloody joke.
If i ever found out he closed 80 mil score of our gal because he wanted his to finish #1 id be deleting pa from bookmarks asap.

Stuff like this makes me glad im away from it all.

pld pa Team

[KoeN]

i'm curious about who of the multihunt-team was so überstupid to believe Scorpio's story that gave him his account back.

"a cousin that stayed at his place for a month, created 2 pa-accounts on Scorpio's e-mail-adress"


oh and what did cypher tell to the multihunt-team?

i'd like to hear that story aswell, may be good for a laugh.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally posted by K-W
Since you blatently do not understand the scientist example I will try to explain it again. This is an experiment that is extremely well supported, it has been repeated many times.

This is mostly a problem in the social sciences, which are a 'bit rubbish really'.

[K-W]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
This is mostly a problem in the social sciences, which are a 'bit rubbish really'.

I would say more, not mostly. Double blinds are important in all fields of science and should be used more I think. In alot of science instrumentation does alot to solve the problem.

Social sciences arent rubbish, alot of them just arent science. I'm a Scientific Psychologist myself. And I cant stand alot of what goes on in psychology, but there is a ligitimate science in there.

[MrL_JaKiri]

I think it's less of a problem in the other sciences because there is much more of a tradition (if you will) of peer review.

Which brings us nicely back to the topic of the thread.

[K-W]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
I think it's less of a problem in the other sciences because there is much more of a tradition (if you will) of peer review.

Which brings us nicely back to the topic of the thread.

How does peer review specifically address experimenter bias? Also, I know in psychology there is just as much peer review as any other science.

[Goatsemaster]

Originally posted by MrL_JaKiri
I think it's less of a problem in the other sciences because there is much more of a tradition (if you will) of peer review.

Wrong (cf medicine, physics, chemistry). [/derail]

[G.K Zhukov]

Originally posted by Ad0
Well let me first say that I find this whole thing amazing, my first reaction is to say that anyone complaining about Multihunters having planets should really come into the real world. We live in a world where conflict of interests can and do happen and we have to rely on the integrity and honour of individuals in these situations. Parra has been put into the situation where he "could" abuse the power, and he has a top galaxy, but since when are the two automatically linked ?

Parracida has pretty much always been a top player of PA, some may say he is addicted, but whatever the reason ever since round 5 he has been in some capacity in the upper levels of the PA community, whether being a top player or top gal. This much is unrefuted.

You all astonish me that you thing than ANYONE would do the job of multihunter and do it well without a) a planet (thus any interest in the game as a whole) and b) getting paid. I dont know this personally but I imagine reading through hundreds of multireports, checking ip's logs i just a barrle 'o laughs. And we should be thankfull that someone is willing to put something back into the community and do it WELL.

I for one do have a conflict of interest here, one of my best friends is being lynched for doing nothing but a) playing his best at pa , b) giving something back to the community and c) upholding the trust that mrbrick and spinner no doubt have in him. But even though this conflict exists I can make this post in the knowledge that its correct even though the conflict exists.

Guys.... Grow up, conflict of interests happen all the time, some conerns are valid and vigilance is warranted, some people do betray the trust, but why dont we work on the principle of innocence before guilt here. In my view the PA team for ONCE have handled something relativly well, appointed someone who is capable of the task and has imoproved its efficiency, why not give them a break and let them police internally.

History has learned us a few things. Germans eat bratwursts, and people who are trusted, do things they shouldnt have done.
We who remember Moridin back in r4 knows this. Im sure he was trusted as well, specially by his friends (hello Scouse, Ado).

I know Parracida. Ive helped him a few times with stuff, and chats with him sometimes. I got no reason to belive he is corrupt or doesnt do his job well enough.

But I guess they said exactly the same thing about Moridin, or the irc-opers too..

I agree with you Ado, that one cannot expect to not play, and not getting paid, and still do that job.

So either PA does 1) pay people to do it, or 2) get someone whos still playing and knows the game (not like some guy who havent played since r4 and is member of pateam etc) to do it.
With 1) we risk getting someone who dosent know ****. With 2) we risk getting a new Moridin (acutally, we can be pretty sure of it).

Im sad to see, that yet again Spinner fails to hold the promises given the the community.

[Chax]

Originally posted by MrBrick
As I mentioned in my first post, I worked with Parra through round 9 without knowing his identity myself.

I'm speaking from this position as PA Team Manager, I'm not biased to either side. I want to know what you think, I want to know what the Team think.

There's very little chance I'll agree with you, there's very little chance I'll disagree.

Have a little faith.

How could you without knowing who he was be certain that you checked his galaxy?

[ParraCida]

He checked my galaxy last round obviously, not round 9.0

[Klendau II]

Originally posted by ParraCida
He checked my galaxy last round obviously, not round 9.0

So we are to take your word for that? We as paying customers have absolutely no proof.

Not that i'm pointing any fingers, I had 18 planets in r9.5 and didn't have one closed. Thx.

[ParraCida]

Originally posted by Klendau II
So we are to take your word for that? We as paying customers have absolutely no proof.

Take his word for it, and mits, and any other PA team members that saw me asking the other admins to check my galaxy

[WebAngel]

Originally posted by Mordac
So ParraCida was the reason so many got cought this round?

bjeff bjeff

I guess that nobody has been caught without evidence. So the main reason why the closed people have been caught is that they have cheated. It's not ParraCida's fault if some players can't do without cheating, is it?
Policemen don't make pickpockets!

[Klendau II]

Originally posted by ParraCida
Take his word for it, and mits, and any other PA team members that saw me asking the other admins to check my galaxy

Just seems odd that 5:5 get through the round scott free near enough, where as 46:7 had 4 planets closed with like 1/2 weeks remaining of the round. They didn't cheat for 4 weeks or something? heh.

I'm not trying to suggest that 46:7 were wrongly closed, although I was in that galaxy I do not have any idea what my galaxy mates did or did not do, however to the best of my knowledge they played by the rule book.

But, Congratulations on finishing in the #1 galaxy, PA Team member.

[WebAngel]

By the way
On the one hand, I can't see any LDK replying to that post while they are supposed to have been mass-deleted.
On the other hand many Eclipse people are whining. Did you get so much more deleted players than LDK?
It could be really interesting to know where are the cheaters exactly.

[ParraCida]

Originally posted by Klendau II
Just seems odd that 5:5 get through the round scott free near enough, where as 46:7 had 4 planets closed with like 1/2 weeks remaining of the round. They didn't cheat for 4 weeks or something? heh.

I'm not trying to suggest that 46:7 were wrongly closed, although I was in that galaxy I do not have any idea what my galaxy mates did or did not do, however to the best of my knowledge they played by the rule book.

5:5 had 2 deletions, mid round. 5:5 was checked about 4-5 times as much as any other top galaxy because I was in it.

46 7 were all Spinner's call.

[WebAngel]

Originally posted by Klendau II
Just seems odd that 5:5 get through the round scott free near enough, where as 46:7 had 4 planets closed with like 1/2 weeks remaining of the round. They didn't cheat for 4 weeks or something? heh.

I'm not trying to suggest that 46:7 were wrongly closed, although I was in that galaxy I do not have any idea what my galaxy mates did or did not do, however to the best of my knowledge they played by the rule book.

But, Congratulations on finishing in the #1 galaxy, PA Team member.

The main reason why 5:5 has been #1 is that 5:5 played actively. ParraCida alone can't do anything. Far from to be the most active in 5:5 (most likely due to his Multihunter's duty), Parracida was the first to ask for the GC position and he got it. 5:5 was #1 galaxy the first 500 or 600 ticks then 2 large planets got deleted. At this point in the game 5:5 was not #1 galaxy anymore (#3 or #4). The other players kept on being active always being very close to the top galaxy. As a consequence, activity is the key word, no need to delete the others to win.
Another reason why 5:5 won this round is that the LDK HCs decided in the end that 5:5 was the most LDK friendly galaxy in the top 10 galaxies and they have done everything to make it #1. Nothing to do with ParraCida.
Anyway in my mind 23:9 46:7 and 5:5, all of them have been very active and deserved to win that round. Congrats to all of you guys!

[Klendau II]

Originally posted by ParraCida
5:5 had 2 deletions, mid round. 5:5 was checked about 4-5 times as much as any other top galaxy because I was in it.

46 7 were all Spinner's call.

I was not aware of that, and I appreciate you telling me.

I'll let you off this time

[AlbinoSquirrel]

Originally posted by K-W
Social sciences arent rubbish, alot of them just arent science. I'm a Scientific Psychologist myself. And I cant stand alot of what goes on in psychology, but there is a ligitimate science in there.

omg, I took the same major as Germ. **** me.

as for the topic...players as multihunters isn't necessarily bad, but it gives a terrific temptation to those people. Some people might actually overcompensate for that and concentrate harder on their friends than on others. Either way, there will be some unconscious bias - whether it's enough to actually affect the running of the hunting is another debate entirely.

I think the best people to multihunt are people who hate. A lot. Like me, and like Jester. I think we'd be the best multihunters ever.

[Klendau II]

Originally posted by AlbinoSquirrel
I think the best people to multihunt are people who hate. A lot. Like me, and like Jester. I think we'd be the best multihunters ever.

The day they make you and Jester Mulithunters is the day I apply to become owner of PA.

And i'd be accepted. Honest.

[K-W]

Originally posted by WebAngel
By the way
On the one hand, I can't see any LDK replying to that post while they are supposed to have been mass-deleted.
On the other hand many Eclipse people are whining. Did you get so much more deleted players than LDK?
It could be really interesting to know where are the cheaters exactly.

I wondered if anyone would bring that up. I noticed that It was a pluarality of eclipse members posting. I guess you were the first one with a skewed enough perspective to think it was some kind of conspiricy.

I have no idea how many eclipse planets were deleted or how many ldk planets were deleted. I dont really pay attention and I have an aweful memory. And it certainly has nothing to do with this thread, nor have we, or anyone, accused parra of any wrongdoing regarding any alliances.

The eclipse posting is partly a coincidence and partly because I oosted alot and I'm eclipse.

[AlbinoSquirrel]

Originally posted by Klendau II
The day they make you and Jester Mulithunters is the day I apply to become owner of PA.

And i'd be accepted. Honest.

[21:16] Jester: IN SOVIET RUSSIA, THE MULTI HUNTS YOU

That kinda sums it all up.

[Elevator]

First off I would have to say congratulation to Parra for closing some of the multis...I think you have done a good job.

However I am concerned about the fact that none of the players were informed about the fact that he was a hunter. I truly think it is a good idea to have 1 possibly 2 (Forrst..not dread) as hunters, but at the present state of the game when there is a lot of mistrust towards the team behind the game I think you should have informed us (the PA-community) about the fact that some hunters are players way, way, way before it got revealed.

So please, just don't "turn off" more players by suprises like this. I am more than willing to go back to error msg's and 140k players and skip the "new and better PA".... we need more players. This is not a way to get them.

[Redissal]

Originally posted by WebAngel
The main reason why 5:5 has been #1 is that 5:5 played actively. ParraCida alone can't do anything.

No. That's the point. He could have done anything (even alone) to make his galaxy win. It's not just a question of deleting players from the rival top 10 galaxies, as you mention. There are many other ways he could have cheated:

• A cheater attacks Parra's galaxy, with multi escorts. He acts on the case quickly and the multis are closed before they land. The galaxy succesfully defends the attack where other galaxies would have failed.
  
• A member of Parra's galaxy makes an attack which is defended using multi planets. He acts on the case promptly and the defenders are closed before the attack lands. The attack is succesful where it would usually not have been.
  
• Parra is about to investigate a case when he realises the planet(s) in question is/are attacking/defending against a player from a rival galaxy. He decides to leave the case until tomorrow.
  
• Parra adds resources/roids/ships/PDS to his own planet.
  
• Parra adds resources to his gal mates planets, while they are asleep. When they wake up they have 12K metal where they should have had 10K. They don't notice. He does this often.
  
• A planet attacks/defends against Parra's galaxy using several 'fake' fleets. They cannot work out which is the real fleet, so Parra checks his admin tools to find out.
  
• It's not round 9.5 but a normal round, and scanning technology is not yet widespread. Parra obtains a username and password for a planet he needs a unit/military/pds scan for or a galaxy he would like a galaxy status for. He logs into the planet and gets his info.
  
• It is round 9.5 but Parra is out of news scans, can't find anyone who can provide him with one and it's 5 mins before his attack lands. He obtains the username and password for his target and finds out what defence the target has.
  
• Parra does have a new scan but there is a huge friendly fleet launched at his target at 2 minutes past the hour. He can't tell if the fleet was launched before the tick or not, if it was and he stays for his attack Parra's fleet will be wiped out. If the friendly fleet missed the tick, he will cap a large number of roids. He obtains username and password, logs in and views the accurate ETA of all incoming fleets.
  
• Parra knows there is a dangerous rival cluster or parallel alliance. He obtains username or password for a member of the alliance and gets valuable intelligence from their overview/poltics board/journal/mail.

I could go on, but I think my point is made. No doubt his galaxy was active too. You can't win the round without that, no matter how much you cheat. But I'm also sure many galaxies would have been active if they found themselves in rank 1. Let's not forget most galaxies are composed of at least 50% multi planets. Suppose my original main planet is in a galaxy which quickly drops to rank 300, but my scan planet is in 5:5. Any ideas which one I will decide to play for real? By putting his galaxy in a strong position at the start of the round with bonus resource payouts Parra could very easily have recruited extra active players into an otherwised mediocre galaxy and produced a galaxy capable of winning (with a bit more help from his admin tools).

It isn't just a case of having two hunters review each closure, it isn't a case of having a different hunter responsible for catching multis in Parra's galaxy to avoid any conflict's of interest. There are so many ways these guys can cheat undetected because they have god-like powers over the PA universe. It's like telling a 100m sprinter who's on steroids to run slower so it's fair on the guys who don't take drugs. Then when he wins anyway you give him the gold medal because several people who know him say they trust him not to cheat.

[Mushroom]

I don't know how else i can say this, except if you use your admin powers for personal gain you WILL be found out and removed.
I can't tell whether you're accusing Parra of the things you mention or not, but believe me, if he had done, they would have been found out more or less immediately.
Parra's galaxy has been monitored by the other multihunters this round, and therefore parra's planet has been too. Any mysterious happenings with incomings or outgoings to the galaxy would have been picked up on pretty damn quickly.
But the issue here isn't whether Parra used his admin tools for personal gain, because if he had have, he wouldn't be 'the mysterious multihunter'. I believe the issue here is our covering up of his identity, and i also believe the two issues are seperate.

[Redissal]

Originally posted by Mushroom
I don't know how else i can say this, except if you use your admin powers for personal gain you WILL be found out and removed.

Yet you've already stated that the only people with access to the admin logs are Spinner and Fudge who, as we all know, are extremely busy preparing round 10. I don't know the exact nature of the logs but I imagine they are quite lengthy and I'm willing to bet that figuring out if Parra gained any advantage whatsoever is no easy task for many of the scenarios I stated, and impossible for others.

Spinner: "It's a bit suspicous you won the round, I just wanted to ask a few questions"
ParraCida: "Shoot"
Spinner: "Why did you wait an entire 24 hours before closing this blatant cheater?"
ParraCida: "There was a good movie on TV, then I was busy the next day mowing the lawn and doing some shopping"
Spinner: "So this planet wasn't attacking a rival galaxy at the time, and you decided to wait before closing him?"
ParraCida: "Err, he might have been, I don't know"
Spinner: "Hmm. Just between you and me I don't know either because it was 4 days ago and the planet's news has been purged. Okay, try this. Why did you view the account details for a planet in 46:7, they are your rivals."
ParraCida: "They came up in an IP search I did on an address which turned out to be a well used proxy"
Spinner "So you got a lot of people's usernames and passwords?"
ParraCida: "Yes"
Spinner: "And then used them to help win?"
ParraCida: "You can't prove that"
Spinner: "No, I can't. Look this is getting nowhere and I don't have the time, I have to get back to round 10. I'll just assume you didn't cheat"
ParraCida: "Fair enough"

Originally posted by Mushroom
I can't tell whether you're accusing Parra of the things you mention or not, but believe me, if he had done, they would have been found out more or less immediately.

Immediately? Just how often are these logs checked? I can't imagine Spinner really wanting to take 30 mins out of every day to check up on all activities of all his multihunters. If he was that suspicous he wouldn't have let them play in the first place. For the record, I'm making no accusations. I have no proof whatsoever that he cheated. I'm just trying to show that he could have cheated undetected. We will probably never know for sure.

Originally posted by Mushroom
Parra's galaxy has been monitored by the other multihunters this round, and therefore parra's planet has been too. Any mysterious happenings with incomings or outgoings to the galaxy would have been picked up on pretty damn quickly.

Yet you've already stated only Spinner and Fudge have access to the logs which would reveal strange happenings so there isn't much the other multihunters can do.

Originally posted by Mushroom
But the issue here isn't whether Parra used his admin tools for personal gain, because if he had have, he wouldn't be 'the mysterious multihunter'. I believe the issue here is our covering up of his identity, and i also believe the two issues are seperate.

Infact when I started this thread my issue wasn't that his identity was covered up. Perhaps I didn't make it clear enough or perhaps you haven't read my original post. The title is only supposed to be eye catching, not informative (surely you have read tabloid newspapers before). The issue is that he was playing as well as hunting. The fact that his identity was hidden simply stopped us knowing about it for so long, and makes the situation look worse especially now we learn the reason for his identity being hidden was to prevent discussions like this one. Personally I'm all in favour of multihunters hiding their identity. They must get an incredible amount of abuse from closed players, and it would be nice if they could keep the abuse from getting personal.

[Mushroom]

is simply convey to you how utterly difficult it would be for admin cheating to go unnoticed. Yes, only the creators can access the logs, but if one of the other hunters noticed something suspicious, they could get Spinner to check with them - you have no idea how much he does care about this, since events not so long ago.
Ok there is the slight possibility he might have slipped through the net, but as you said, if we'd thought he was the sort to cheat, we wouldn't have let him in. And since we've seen no evidence to suggest that he has despite the scrutiny that we've had over his actions (that yes, we had even though we trusted him, because if we didn't, could you imagine how much we'd be flamed for it now?), we are inclined to believe that he didn't cheat at all.
I'm not asking you to give up your suspicions and believe us 100% - because it's only natural that in a situation such as this you're suspicious. I'm just trying to reassure you that since we've had this situation this past round, we've done our utmost to keep a very close eye on the proceedings and make sure that there has been no foul play on Parra's half.

I'm sorry that i've got the purpose of this thread mixed up - over 4 pages the first point's got rather clouded.
We admit it, yes Parra had the power to cheat this round, but we have done everything in our collective power to make sure that if he did, he wouldn't be able to go unnoticed and it could be rectified and dealt with asap.
And this scenario that can so instantly arouse suspicion and mistrust will not be repeated in future rounds.

[Redissal]

Originally posted by Mushroom
all I can do is simply convey to you how utterly difficult it would be for admin cheating to go unnoticed. Yes, only the creators can access the logs, but if one of the other hunters noticed something suspicious, they could get Spinner to check with them - you have no idea how much he does care about this, since events not so long ago.

If Spinner cared so much about this issue why did he let ParraCida play in the first place?

I appreciate that you're trying to convey to me how difficult it would have been for him to cheat because it's part of your job as pateam to ensure the smooth running of the game and dispel any awkward rumours of cheating among the multihunters. But I think the truth is you don't really known how easy it would have been for him to cheat because you haven't seen the logs and you have no idea how thoroughly they are scrutinized. My hunch is they aren't well scrutinized at all and it's perfectly reasonable to assume ParraCida took that risk when he (hypothetically) cheated. In addition many of the scenarios I mentioned have legitimate explanations even while they could have given ParraCida's galaxy an advantage. The logs can't possibly show everything he did.

[Scoot951]

Even if he didn't cheat, I'm sure there's plenty of people in this game who could do a good job multihunting, be glad to do it, and wouldn't mind at all playing in 1:1 with a 200k planet.


With that in mind, there's no reason for a 'serious' player to be on the team. Either play PA, or admin it, but don't do both.

[Aryn]

i think this thread would have been more interesting if redissal had posted with his 'real' account.

anyway..

there's no point trying to convince a brick wall.. but for one last time listen to this.

the multihunters watch each other's planets. of course they're not going to turn a blind eye to anything going on because of exactly this situation. it's best to uncover and remove the person before it goes to a public 'what if' and then 'omg he did'
yes fudge and spinner are busy with pax.. but really.. it doesn't take a lot of time to go through the admin logs.



on another note.. i've seen some replies where people say the multihunter shouldn't be 'joe blow' who is barely in touch iwth the game, yet others who are adament that a high profile player shouldn't be a multihunter. yet there are a bunch of 'high profile' players saying they'd make a great multihunter. (not really related to the issue but i just find this commical :\)