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Unread 15 Nov 2007, 19:01   #1
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Health and Fitness

I'm young and i'm relatively fit. As such i have the mentality that i don't get ill.

For a week now i've passed off the pains in my chest as either stress of indigestion. I've passed off the horrible green shit i'm hacking up as "just a cold". A cold i've had for over a month. However it turns out if you have a fall in temperature, chest pain, headaches, loss of appetite, fatigue, difficulty breathing and you cough up blood stained phlegm (which i do on occasion) you have pneumonia. I suppose i could have accute bronchitis but you're not supposed to get chest pains from that. Also my Doctor, who i finally saw today, has prescribed me antibiotics which they're supposedly not to do for bronchitis. Saying that i'm not in hospital so who knows. The Doctor didn't specifically tell me what was wrong.

The long and the short of it is i feel like shit. I feel like shit and it is majorly affecting my libido.

And so to the point of this thread. I have a high sex drive. My brain tells me i should be having sex what seems to be all the time. Since getting ill the desire mentally has remained but i seem frequently unable to react physically to it. This is terrifying for me. I always thought that when people got old and they lost interest in sex it was because they just got bored with it or whatever. I didn't realise you could still want to do it but just be physically unable to. The realisation that this, being unable to perform, will happen to me later in life and, unlike now, there will be no recovery has hit me hard.

Anyway i just wondered if anybody else had developed a fear, or fears, as they grew older.
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it turns out if you have a fall in temperature, chest pain, headaches, loss of appetite, fatigue, difficulty breathing and you cough up blood stained phlegm (which i do on occasion) you have pneumonia.
Did you internet diagnose by googling the symptoms and looking at what came up? It's a terrible idea, and feeds hypochondria. Most of those symptoms (except the headaches) go hand-in-hand with a regular old chest infection*. If you smoke or are not particularly healthy, then the symptoms probably will stay for longer (especially in this new cold weather).

What antibiotics did the doctor give you? Amoxicillin? If so, he also thinks it's an infection.


*blood-stained phlegm probably isn't as serious as you think - it's got traces of blood in it because you're tearing up the walls by repeatedly hacking and coughing
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Did you internet diagnose by googling the symptoms and looking at what came up? It's a terrible idea, and feeds hypochondria. Most of those symptoms (except the headaches) go hand-in-hand with a regular old chest infection*. If you smoke or are not particularly healthy, then the symptoms probably will stay for longer (especially in this new cold weather).

What antibiotics did the doctor give you? Amoxicillin? If so, he also thinks it's an infection.


*blood-stained phlegm probably isn't as serious as you think - it's got traces of blood in it because you're tearing up the walls by repeatedly hacking and coughing
before we get quite so high and mighty we might choose to remember that it was I who first diagnosed your cancer. not a doctor.
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Did you internet diagnose by googling the symptoms and looking at what came up? It's a terribe idea
Not really; most of the times I've internet-diagnosed myself I've been correct. But yeah, you should always get a doctor to confirm it, especially in this country where it doesnt cost anything extra anyway.
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Not really; most of the times I've internet-diagnosed myself I've been correct. But yeah, you should always get a doctor to confirm it, especially in this country where it doesnt cost anything extra anyway.
your conclusions in such cases has been almost the same as mine.

you conclude "I am not ill"

and the only difference between us is that I would add the word unfortunately
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I've got really bad pain in my shins.

What can I do?
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Did you internet diagnose by googling the symptoms and looking at what came up? It's a terrible idea, and feeds hypochondria. Most of those symptoms (except the headaches) go hand-in-hand with a regular old chest infection*. If you smoke or are not particularly healthy, then the symptoms probably will stay for longer (especially in this new cold weather).
I diagnosed my condition after i went to see the doctor. It's not hypochodria. Like i said i've not been ill for ages. I also don't smoke and am reasonably healthy.


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What antibiotics did the doctor give you? Amoxicillin? If so, he also thinks it's an infection.
I was given Clarithromycin (which is used to counter both bronchitis and pneumonia so i still don't know what i've got).
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I've got really bad pain in my shins.

What can I do?


Go to the doctor's. They'll refer you to a specialist. You've probably got shin splints (due to flat feet).
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The Doctor didn't specifically tell me what was wrong.
You've got AIDS.
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I diagnosed my condition after i went to see the doctor. It's not hypochodria. Like i said i've not been ill for ages. I also don't smoke and am reasonably healthy.




I was given Clarithromycin (which is used to counter both bronchitis and pneumonia so i still don't know what i've got).
If you care so much, why don't you just ask the doctor?
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Unlikely. The chances of a straight white guy getting it are like 0.0000000000001%.
So you're in trouble.
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If you care so much, why don't you just ask the doctor?

I don't care that much. I will ask her when i go back thoug. The point of the thread was not "oh my god i've either got this condition or that condition". The point of the thread was "i've never really worried about getting old but now i do because i've experienced something that happens to old people and it sucks. Is anybody else worried about a particular aspect of aging?".
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You spend your whole life worrying about it until it happens, but it is gonig to happen so get over it.* And getting ill isn't a monopoly of the old.

*unless of course you die at a young age, which is probably worse
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You spend your whole life worrying about it until it happens, but it is gonig to happen so get over it.* And getting ill isn't a monopoly of the old.

*unless of course you die at a young age, which is probably worse

I'm not afraid of dying or illness. I'm afraid of my desire remaining but my body giving out and not being able to get it up. Something that could very well happen when i get old.
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They have all kinds of surgerys and drugs to stop you feeling anything when you get old. It's all be taken care of.
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I'm just kind of guessing here, but don't you produce less hormons to make you feel horny when you reach a certain age?
So by the time you can't get it up anymore (without viagra etc.) won't your hormon count be so low that you don't want it that much by then?

Seeing as now your body just sucks while all the hormons still get produced..
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No it's true. If you touch a gay then you become infected. The reason you've lost your normal sexual desire is because the AIDS is re-writing your man DNA to gaysexual DNA. It's already too late I'm afraid.

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I'm just kind of guessing here, but don't you produce less hormons to make you feel horny when you reach a certain age?
So by the time you can't get it up anymore (without viagra etc.) won't your hormon count be so low that you don't want it that much by then?

Seeing as now your body just sucks while all the hormons still get produced..
Viagra sales figures disagree.
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Viagra sales figures disagree.
Not really. A pill to help recapture any aspect of your youth (no matter how old and disfigured) will sell like hotcakes. If they made a pill to allow 80 year olds to play football like they were kids then they would sell loads.

It can be argued whether demand is natural or 'artificially' created but the mental desire and the physical desire are different things.

I would like to fly, if someone made a pill to allow me to do that then great, but I'm not gonig to lose sleep over it if they don't.
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Not really. A pill to help recapture any aspect of your youth (no matter how old and disfigured) will sell like hotcakes. If they made a pill to allow 80 year olds to play football like they were kids then they would sell loads.

It can be argued whether demand is natural or 'artificially' created but the mental desire and the physical desire are different things.

I would like to fly, if someone made a pill to allow me to do that then great, but I'm not gonig to lose sleep over it if they don't.
you are sweet. the sales demographic puts 20-30 yr olds as the prime buyers of viagra
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Not really. A pill to help recapture any aspect of your youth (no matter how old and disfigured) will sell like hotcakes. If they made a pill to allow 80 year olds to play football like they were kids then they would sell loads.

It can be argued whether demand is natural or 'artificially' created but the mental desire and the physical desire are different things.

I would like to fly, if someone made a pill to allow me to do that then great, but I'm not gonig to lose sleep over it if they don't.
But surely people won't go out of their way to (re-)create a physical desire if there's no mental desire? You say it yourself, people long for their youth, when they were still handsome, virile and in shape. That's mental desire right there.
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There's a difference (I assume) between the mental desire and the physical desire. The physical desire to have sex may still be there but the physical ability may not.

I'm not sure if it then matters whether the mental desire is there. Does the mind contol the body or does the body control the mind? Or are they unrelated which run identically like two perfectly timed clocks chiming together?
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I'd like to think my body wants sex at the same time as my mind, otherwise it could lead to some awkward and embarrassing moments...
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But does your mind want sex at the same time as your body?
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There's a difference (I assume) between the mental desire and the physical desire. The physical desire to have sex may still be there but the physical ability may not.

I'm not sure if it then matters whether the mental desire is there. Does the mind contol the body or does the body control the mind? Or are they unrelated which run identically like two perfectly timed clocks chiming together?
You forgot a fourth option: do they run each other, to a certain degree. People who are depressed often experience all kinds of physical problems, and the other way around as well. Sharur's question was whether or not people who take viagra have a mental desire to have sex. I argue that, likewise, physical arousal can both precede and follow mental arousal. Thus taking viagra might very well have an indirect effect on the mental desires of your average 50 year old, as well as a physical effect.

As for the actual need for mental desire, I would also disagree. People who get raped don't suddenly start enjoying it just because their bodies react to their attacker. Similarly, people who identify as asexual may experience physical, but not mental arousal. Your state of mind is fairly influential under any circumstances, and arguably most so when it concerns sex.
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Sharur's question was whether or not people who take viagra have a mental desire to have sex.
We can't possibly say that with certainty though, since we can't really put ourselves in the position of old people. We should ask dda how his sex drive is doing lately.
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I'd like to think my body wants sex at the same time as my mind, otherwise it could lead to some awkward and embarrassing moments...
They are independent (to some extent), and the lack of ability to tell them apart is a noted feature of emotional cognitive disorders like alexithymia.
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They are independent (to some extent), and the lack of ability to tell them apart is a noted feature of emotional cognitive disorders like alexithymia.
The important part of this sentence is "to some extent"...
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The important part of this sentence is "to some extent"...
Not relevently, as you stated an absolute.
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