So what is PA Team now?

[ParraCida]

Since I have left the PA Team I have not spend much time on planetarion, however recent events have sparked my interest a bit towards my old home. Since spinner has left my opinion of the PA Team has not been a good one, I felt that the people who remained were more interested in ascending the ranks rather than helping the game.

So now, MrBrick, NB3 and JBG have left the PA Team, Fudge isn't even on the comprehensive .gif file they have released and Mit and Karmulian seem to be calling the shots.
So now the question remains, what is the PA Team, again people have left/were kicked (still unclear about this), everytime a batch of people are outsourced a spanking new one is promoted from the #support staff. People that were once not even allowed to know who the multihunter was now have admin access to the game.

Where is jolt? Keef is supposed to be the jolt liason, but he seems to do even less than karmulian around here. All Jolt has done for us is say how they will continue to support PA, to me that reads they'll continue to run planetarion on a server somewhere and rake in the cash of whomever is foolish enough to pay for this game.

Right now I'd say we have 2 people in charge who have been saying they are going to quit since Round 9 because the users moan too much and who have threatened to excert their power in ways that would harm this game. We have people that are given administrator access because there simply is no-one else to give it too. Posts are being deleted, events hushed up and planetarion keeps suffering from it.

So I am left to conclude that although this should be a period of reconstruction for planetarion that the current PA Team is in the worst shape ever. I would be interested in an 'official' reply from the PA Team as to what they have already achieved during the period that spinner left and what chain of events lead to the leaving/dismissal of the creator, the support manager and the forum leader person thingy.

[A2]

PA Team has undergone a reformation in the last couple of days and has been changed to a council based system instead of one where there is a creator in charge. As there are none of the original creators left (fudge left at the same time as Spinner but has been around donating time when things go wrong) we have abolished the term "creator". As of now the 5 managers are the "heads" of PA if that's what you'd like to call us. These comprise of the managers of:
- PA Team and IRC channels
- Game Development and Day-to-Day running of the game including multihunters
- Support
- Forums
- Communications and PR
All the managers have the same access to the game and the same level of authority.

Keef is, as before, the Jolt liason to PA Team and is our main method of communication between us and them regarding things like payment methods, game servers, other Jolt related things.

Over the last couple of weeks we have made one or two mistakes depending on how you look at it. It has been a time of transition and now the changes have been announced we hope to be able to finally make some progress.

At the current time we are trying to get the NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreement's) from Jolt which are required to get server access sorted out.

In the meantime if you have any suggestions on how to take Planetarion forward please visit the Suggestions Forum.

[ParraCida]

So many words, so little meaning.

Why don't you stop talking nonsense and answer my question:

What have you actually accomplished besides creating more drama and a promotion for all of you.

[Karmulian]

• An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
• Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
• Continuation of PA into Rnd11
• Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
• Therefore less reliance on jolt

[ParraCida]

Originally Posted by Karmulian

• An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
• Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
• Continuation of PA into Rnd11
• Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
• Therefore less reliance on jolt

So you want to pass off continuous reorganisations of PA Team (for various, undisclosed, reasons), the fact that planetarion won't die after this round and a few server accounts as accomplishments?

Oh and just a heads up in regards to those speed round plans, meaning to do something does not mean you did do it. I don't think my perfect plan to take over the world would count as a real accomplishment.

[*Cooper*]

Originally Posted by ParraCida

So you want to pass off continuous reorganisations of PA Team (for various, undisclosed, reasons), the fact that planetarion won't die after this round and a few server accounts as accomplishments?

Oh and just a heads up in regards to those speed round plans, meaning to do something does not mean you did do it. I don't think my perfect plan to take over the world would count as a real accomplishment.

btw, i dont think PA is gunna end this round mate!
we r sorry that it appears u have sumat against the PA crew
did u get booted or sumat? if u left by choice, thats ur own choice!

Seems PA Crew have had to reform because of drop outs and lazy gits

Give them a chance :smith:

[Cochese]

Generally, I'd have to agree with ParraCida's posts...I was actually on my way to write something similar after getting off work and reading the portal announcement--so thanks Parra, for saving me the trouble

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Karmulian

• An active team - possibly the most active it has ben since moving to jolt
• Plans for a number of speed games, including the possibilites of some free pa games (both new and old)
• Continuation of PA into Rnd11
• Direct access to PA boxes, so that we can better control whats going on in the game,
• Therefore less reliance on jolt

The speed games have been planned since the summer, and MrBrick specifically mentioned them. Ditto the continuation of PA into Rnd11.

The first one I can't comment on, but surely that's the fault of the members rather than the person in charge (you've also lost NB3 and JBG, who were immensely active).

The fourth and fifth are the same, and surely that was requested back in r9? I remember Spinner mentioning it.

These are also all generic things that would have happened under any organisation. All that's happened is you've staged a coup d'etat (for whatever reason) and increased the beaurocracy.

[Mushroom]

Oligarchy++

[Karmulian]

Oh i agree entirely,

however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa

[ParraCida]

Originally Posted by Karmulian

Oh i agree entirely,

however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa

Ah I get it.

So because you never (supposedly) accomplished something under spinner you don't have to accomplish anything now either.

I see you're doing quite great at this PR job.

[I am Idler]

Originally Posted by Karmulian

however you drum this off and say that it was all better under spinner, however he too said things then never accomplished them

we have plans, if they don;t come to fruition then it won;t be for lack of trying

it will probably just be the curse of pa

Hi.

Things were a thousand times better under spinner's reign.

You have plans, yet you seem incredibly unable to update people on a daily basis.

Winner

[Mushroom]

At this point i'm tempted to point out that forms of collective flat-level government in the past has failed miserably, but i'd probably get shouted at if i did.
Oh damn.
Anyway, i guess only time will tell... besides, there's a first time for everything!

[Mushroom]

Nothing like putting a spin on things is there Parra?
Nice to see PD hasn't changed...

I'm assured things are being coordinated. And i mean, you've got to admit, with any changes of this sort it takes a while to settle down....

[Karmulian]

I think sufficed to say everything i say you will talk the opposite of its true meaning,
therefore there is little point continuing

[Eventh]

So these 5 new leaders is Phil^, Mit, A2, Karmulian and a another you havent decided yet..
All these 5 will have full access to the game and the server?

Does anyone beside Mit and his team need access to the servers? and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??

What is the purpose of Aryn and Mist realy?

Have you made any rules about how you deal with problems? and is there any rules how the team should behave towards its paying customers, or will we still have members who calls ppl for liers and whole alliances as cheaters?

[Browolf]

Originally Posted by Eventh

and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??

V
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Originally Posted by A2

At the current time we are trying to get the NDA's (Non-Disclosure Agreement's) from Jolt which are required to get server access sorted out.

You can bet that they'll be negociating those NDAs for a while

~Browolf

[Mit]

Originally Posted by Eventh

Does anyone beside Mit and his team need access to the servers? and is anyone in pateam able to do a rollback now??

No one other than myself -needs- acccess to the servers.
And no, not yet (other than fudge) - its not just access thats needed, its knowing how the system works and how to do the rollback too. You see if you can do something like that, when you are dumped into a new position not knowing exactly how something is done... you have to find out, learn, ask etc...

[Maddix]

Originally Posted by Mit

No one other than myself -needs- acccess to the servers.

Seems to me you would be in overall charge then, was your little .gif thing just an attempt to try and hide this?

Originally Posted by Mit

Take over, no, rescue and revive, yes

Nice opportunity Mr Brick was given to 'resuce and revive' - how long was he in charge for again?

Originally Posted by Mit

I see what actually happened being twisted a bit...

Why don't you give us your side of it then, or would that make you look worse than just keeping quiet?

[Mit]

Originally Posted by Maddix

Seems to me you would be in overall charge then, was your little .gif thing just an attempt to try and hide this?

not my little gif, and no, why give people who don't need access, access to a machine (that they might not be able to use anyway) - Forums people don't need access to game boxes etc. Only the people involved in setting up the game to run it do, coders don't... (CVS anyone?)

Originally Posted by Maddix

Nice opportunity Mr Brick was given to 'resuce and revive' - how long was he in charge for again?

he was, he obviously chose not to take it, notice a 3 week period where he wasn't around a lot? holding us all back...

[ParraCida]

Allright, since you feel my replies are not constructive towards this thread I'll shed a little light into my reasoning.

The 'results of your work' as you so deem to acknowledge them are in my view worth absolutely nothing. You have been busy for weeks and all you have to show for it but continiuous reorganisations of the team (the tool that is supposed to produce results) under shady circumstances, some server accounts and a lot of 'plans to do stuff'. Upon pointing this out to you I get a reference to the past were things were also not great all the time, which either has no relevation to this discussion at all or is a tacit admission of my statement. So if it is not the tacit admission (as I assumed it to be and you now denied it not to be) then it simply did not make sense. I was not comparing the accomplishments of pa team with previous incarnations of it but I was trying to quantify them.

Also mushroom, incase you didn't know: Karm/Mit just removed MrBricks access without consulting anyone (specifically jolt), some members of PA Team left over this in disgust.

[Hexy]

Originally Posted by ParraCida

Also mushroom, incase you didn't know: Karm/Mit just removed MrBricks access without consulting anyone (specifically jolt), some members of PA Team left over this in disgust.

Ohhh shame shame shame. This small fact I did not know. shame shame shame. I liked MrBrick. TBH he made his mistakes BUT he admitted to them, then tried to correct them. It is very sad thing to see PA die this death. I truely hope that Spinner doesnt check up on things just to see how its going. He would be disappointed.. or maybe he knew this would be its demise and allowed this to happen so he didnt have to kill it himself. BTW How ya been Cida. Have a Happy and Safe Holiday. oh yeah .. and again shame shame shame on you Admin if this is the truth... of which Im sure you wont admit to anyway.

[Maddix]

lol

[Spinner]

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

[Spinner]

Hi Hexy, I do check up on things now and then, and it is not at all amusing to see what has happened and is still happening.

Sad to see, but hardly surprising.

[Maddix]

Originally Posted by Spinner

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

Quite amusing that anyone would want 'power' over PA as it is now :gollum:

[Eventh]

Originally Posted by Spinner

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

That removes the little bit of respect who was left for Mit and Karm in their attemt to takeover pa

[Mit]

Originally Posted by Spinner

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

I see what actually happened being twisted a bit...

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by Spinner

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

Erm you no acept pm via forums??? check your answeirng machine and contact now bitch;P

[cbk100]

Originally Posted by Spinner

From what I heard, Karm and Mit kicked MrBrick out of PaTeam, and MrBrick is talking to Jolt about how to straighten out this whole mess.

We'll all see what happens (:

You as PA's creator and former leader of the HQ should be wise enough to know that posting such stuff here on the public forums is just FU*KING LAME to say it VERY mild!!! Its so unprofessional!!! and if I was jolt I would remove any kind of access you have both to the servers but for sure here in the forums.

GODS SAKE!!!

If you want to destroy PA then this is a very effective way to do it but for your own sake then just do it without looking like an asshole...

And if Mit is right that you have not told the full truth but only the truth from MrBrick's point of view then you are an even bigger asshole...

Take yourself together FFS or at least stop destroying PA with your incompatent bevavior.

cbk

[smeg9]

Why did MrBrick Leave?
What happend there?

Good luck. MAke a good job of it, please!

[Rumad]

i look forward to yet more reorganisations as joltts milestones fail to be achieved yet again

[dabult]

For your info ParraCida, Keef did make a news-piece on the portal yesterday but it vanished for some reason.
He is 'alive' etc.

(just filling you in if you didn't know)

[Ashknight]

Cheesy your still alive \o/ \o/

As for the whole team situation i think it is down to jolt to resolve after all its there game.

[Cochese]

You're still the daddeh Ash!

[MrL_JaKiri]

Oh, and once again: Karm in control of PR.

Hoho.

[Ad0]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

Oh, and once again: Karm in control of PR.

Hoho.

Remanisant of a bull being in charge of a china shop....

[Embroglio]

Originally Posted by Ad0

Remanisant of a bull being in charge of a china shop....

Except karm weighs more.

[Bashar]

Pettiness, pettiness and more pettiness. Some things never change.

A2 - these NDA's you mention, I assume these are the ones that you and the 'team' (I use the word 'team' loosely, as it by definition requires working together and aiming for a common goal) absolutely refused to sign under any circumsatnce when jolt took over? I remember all the commotion about that, yet all of a sudden, at the moment 'access'/'power' (or whatever you wish to call it) is in the equation, you start fighting to get them sorted.

Mit - I assume you will be less irresponsible with the server access than those of us at i16(?) saw from you whilst you were bragging about your pa team and irc access? (i.e. showing off about your cservice email just so you could say in a very stuck up way about your cservice helper status whilst practically offering to close people on the basis of no more than slim evidence told to you by people at the event).


I also assume that this new 'setup' is designed to streamline PA, and that, as a result, you will all have lots to show the community within a few weeks with respect to your progress?

I personally find the whole situation whereby PA team are obsessed with power quite amusing. The way that you all strive to get as much power/status as you can just so you can brag about it is hilarious. The way that you think the community has any respect for you is just depressing though. All the community wants is a proper working game. Your constant bickering and power plays hinders this - so, if you REALLY want the game to do well, you will do one of 2 things:

1. Put your dreams of personal advancement and glory to one side and stop being such immature morons and actually start making a difference to the GAME rather than to your long list of bragging points.

2. Step down and let somebody who can do the first point get on with it and make the game decent again.

Bashar

[Zeus]

As you aksed for my comments on your orginal post, and as always I will provide.

Originally Posted by Bashar

Pettiness, pettiness and more pettiness. Some things never change.

A2 - these NDA's you mention, I assume these are the ones that you and the 'team' (I use the word 'team' loosely, as it by definition requires working together and aiming for a common goal) absolutely refused to sign under any circumsatnce when jolt took over? I remember all the commotion about that, yet all of a sudden, at the moment 'access'/'power' (or whatever you wish to call it) is in the equation, you start fighting to get them sorted.

I understand why jolt need NDA's signed before they can "trust" you, and the NDA is VERY restrictive, committing you to Planegtarion alone, etc... which for non paid people, I beleive is rediculious.

Originally Posted by Bashar

Mit - I assume you will be less irresponsible with the server access than those of us at i16(?) saw from you whilst you were bragging about your pa team and irc access? (i.e. showing off about your cservice email just so you could say in a very stuck up way about your cservice helper status whilst practically offering to close people on the basis of no more than slim evidence told to you by people at the event)..

I wasnt at i16 therfore can not comment

Originally Posted by Bashar

I also assume that this new 'setup' is designed to streamline PA, and that, as a result, you will all have lots to show the community within a few weeks with respect to your progress?

I personally find the whole situation whereby PA team are obsessed with power quite amusing. The way that you all strive to get as much power/status as you can just so you can brag about it is hilarious. The way that you think the community has any respect for you is just depressing though. All the community wants is a proper working game. Your constant bickering and power plays hinders this - so, if you REALLY want the game to do well, you will do one of 2 things..

Its my understand, and I can not prove this, i recived it from a memeber of pateam. When MrB became responsible for pa, he removed theauthority from the managers to run their own departments, and too overall charge of everything. Doing this only compounded the situation when he went AWOL, as no dept could act, make decisions or progress due to due to no head of dept.

Originally Posted by Bashar

1. Put your dreams of personal advancement and glory to one side and stop being such immature morons and actually start making a difference to the GAME rather than to your long list of bragging points.

2. Step down and let somebody who can do the first point get on with it and make the game decent again.

Bashar

I cant comment on this one. But fact remains if pateam resign now, then pa is dead as noone to takeover and noone wants that. :Gandalf:

[Cochese]

MrL for President!

[ParraCida]

Cyanide, I think they are handing out free clues in the forum next to this one, I suggest you try and get one before posting.

Mit, I would very much appreciate it if you were to substanciate your posts rather than post a shaggy-like denial. Besides, I was under the impression that karm was in charge of PR now, but then again he did tell me he had better things to do than reply to my posts, oh well.

[Richie987]

The admins/heads/creators keep jumping but is the bar too high?

I've been playing for donkey's years and played one or two rounds of p2p but retired recently before the ridiculas changes being made like hacking your opponent etc. However, i am a #planetarion op but with irc problems so connections are very rare so really, my only way to keep up with information is via forums.

Now, essentially we've established that PA's players are not happy, command is a bit off target and from this the game is suffering which damages everyone? If so, why is the game still continuing with all this madness behind closed doors and only forums to give us vivid explanations, rumours and/or truths about PA?

In my very own opinion the command staff who run the game should get the actual base sorted out and give the players a substancial amount more information about how the game is to be running and how the improvments are being setup and how long they may be. On the other side of the coin, players should in very vague terms "back off" a little bit from the PA command staff. If they are having problems, from what little we know, these may be teething or even blips. Give them time to settle and establish themselves and PA will be back to itself. From what i remember r1 wasn't a complete bundle of laughs as PA was unpredictably played and on.

Thanks.


ps.
How you doing Para my old GC? Well i hope, i'll try and get in contact sometime soon(ish).

[therealmig]

/me fluffles richie, missing me yet drop me an email sometime mate

[Spinner]

Chill out CBK, nothing that dramatic in that message. But I also have recieved some emails today, explaining a litle more about the whole situation, and it might not be as straight foward as I first thought. But I didnt mean it as critisism of anyone, but I understand how my message can be interpreted that way. I meant that once again, when 1 kind of info was needed, something else was allowed to "leak halfway", in that "rumours of MrBricks disappearance" were allowed to run loose for a bit. PaTeam come and go, always have, always will. Its not important.

But keep in mind, there has been no info handed out in this matter from Mit or Karm, as far as I can tell anyway, and dont forget that I have been working with these people for a while (:

But don't get me wrong, I will give Mit and Karm any support they ask for or want from me (not that I think they want any), because at the moment, they are all we have.
And they are indeed very capable in terms of technical issues, coding etc, having made the portal etc. But they must also relate to realities such as the need for information (I know how big a pain this can be at times when things are heating up all around), the need of communication, and at the same time the need to show progress, cover your back in the community, and actually consider the risk of replying to threads like this one.
However, it is my honest belief that "the apparently 2 new leaders" must either quickly invest some interest and skills in information and communication, or quickly find someone who can do it for them.

Because now, when what is really needed is info on PA's future, they suddenly have to deal with the MrBrick incident, which has blown up to a lot more than it probably is.

Happy X-Mas to everyone, including Keith, Dom, Geoff, Karm, Mit and MrBrick, and even you CBK

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Spinner

Because now, when what is really needed is info on PA's future, they suddenly have to deal with the MrBrick incident, which has blown up to a lot more than it probably is.

They suddenly have to 'deal with' the MrBrick incident? Is this the same kind of deal with as when I have to deal with some spilt red wine?

[Spinner]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

They suddenly have to 'deal with' the MrBrick incident? Is this the same kind of deal with as when I have to deal with some spilt red wine?

Not sure what you did with the spilt red wine, but I doubt MrBrick can be licked up off the floor or wiped away with a damp cloth (:

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by Spinner

Not sure what you did with the spilt red wine, but I doubt MrBrick can be licked up off the floor or wiped away with a damp cloth (:

I'll be the judge of that!

[edit]

I meant 'A bastard to clean up, but ultimately of my own causing'

[Zahadum]

Originally Posted by Spinner

Not sure what you did with the spilt red wine, but I doubt MrBrick can be licked up off the floor or wiped away with a damp cloth (:

I think you would need a broom, as Bricks are very dusty.

[Mit]

Originally Posted by Spinner

However, it is my honest belief that "the apparently 2 new leaders" must either quickly invest some interest and skills in information and communication, or quickly find someone who can do it for them.

Because now, when what is really needed is info on PA's future, they suddenly have to deal with the MrBrick incident, which has blown up to a lot more than it probably is.

a) 5 new leaders http://pirate.planetarion.com/pateam.gif (as per the portal post)
b) yes, it has been blown a bit out of control, partly due to 'rumours', partly due to others 'bending' the truth, sometimes a little too far it would seem.