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Unread 14 Feb 2006, 08:25   #1
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[retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

So I get this email spam from www.defconamerica.org (full disclosure: I signed up to them, it's an organization about protecting the constitution from the religious right), but this particular email was about e-cards you could send your 'valentine.' So I clicked on it and they had two e-cards. One was a 'I love Darwin' ecard, the other was a more elaborate statement that said: 'Your love, like evolution, get's better with time.'

I took issue with this statement and sent them this email:

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> That's a pretty ignorant statement 'evolution gets better with time.'
> Evolution is not advancement, it is just change. It's a travesty that
> you have the word 'science' on the same page as that statement.
>
> Bjorn
(They had said something about, if you like 'science' then you'd like the cards.)
I got a reply that said:

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Hi Bjorn,

The card is just meant to be fun, please don't take it too seriously.

Happy Darwin Day!

- The DEFCON Team
But then I checked out their site with the e-card page:
http://www.defconamerica.org/DefCon-community/ecards/

and they removed it! **** yes I get to ruin everyones fun! I really make a difference.*







*of shitness. (I probably wasn't the only one who complained, or if I was and then they removed it, vini, vidi, vici!).
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Unread 14 Feb 2006, 10:31   #2
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

perhaps they sold out?
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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I probably wasn't the only one who complained
No, I think you were.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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you're pretty gay

anyway evolution isn't just change, it's adaptation to ones environment to make survival easier, thus, improvement

it's not just change for the sake of change
It's not always an improvement (a value loaded statement) even in terms of survival, the change could be beneficial for awhile until a drought, or a snow storm, or a flood, or anything else catastrophic comes about and wipes a species or a trait out. What's that called, point selection or something, I forget. Anyhow, no, it's just change, it's not 'better' it's not anything. No traits or change are inherently any 'better' than any other and evolution doesn't always lead to benefical changes that improve survival.
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Unread 14 Feb 2006, 11:00   #5
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

Their phrasing is confusing anyway. Even if differently adapted species were somehow "better" (and I agree that this is unclear) how would that mean evolution (as a process) was getting better?
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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It's not just random change.
He didn't say it was random.

The term "better" is unhelpful because it's not very precise and meaningless unless we have a common agreement on what it means. Better at what? Surviving? Well, all life-forms die, but if we're looking at sheer number of descendents who will survive after x period (or some other relatively arbritrary measure) then cockroaches probably are "better" than human beings. Perhaps you could say that "more adapted" beings are 'better' but then you could also say life forms with more legs are better, it makes about as much sense.

Also, more adapted would need to mean generally - not just to the physical environment. A lot of evolutionary changes are presumably driven by sex selection or internal physical constraints, etc.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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The term "better" is unhelpful because it's not very precise and meaningless unless we have a common agreement on what it means. Better at what?
Better adapted to their environment!
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Better adapted to their environment!
Which doesn't imply better in a general sense, of course.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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Which doesn't imply better in a general sense, of course.
Five is a better number than four and if you disagree you're a stupid fourer.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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Which doesn't imply better in a general sense, of course.
In fact, it can mean "worse" in a general sense. For example, the echinoderms are closely related to the vertebrates, and yet (aside from in one case) don't move with their "legs", as they lost the ability many years ago when they became sedentary. When natural selection "made" them walk again, they now do the equivilent of walking on their tongues.
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Five is a better number than four and if you disagree you're a stupid fourer.
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Five is a better number than four and if you disagree you're a stupid fourer.
Well Red is better than Blue because you capitalists suck dogs cocks.

Of course green is better then blue too, but not as good red. Yellow isn't as good as green, but is mildly better than Teal which is inferior to almost anything except certain types of blue and pink.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

s|k is such a rebel <3
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this doesn't look like pedantic shitness to me, just shitness in general.
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Well Red is better than Blue because you capitalists suck dogs cocks.

Of course green is better then blue too, but not as good red. Yellow isn't as good as green, but is mildly better than Teal which is inferior to almost anything except certain types of blue and pink.
Hey, you keep your dirty commie hands away from my blue. Blue will r0x02 Red's b0x025 every damn day and you know it fella!
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

What an heroic effort by Dante and the mentally ill one to have the word 'better' stricken from the English Language.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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Better adapted to their environment!
oh well, then the card is wrong because things don't always get better adapted to their environment as a result of evolution.
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

If youre going to put the only possible reply to this thread in the title, then what do you need us for?
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Unread 14 Feb 2006, 15:49   #20
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

nod get on IRC please
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Re: [retard] My Pedantic shitness knows no bounds

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maybe in a few thousand years nb3 will have evolved into a good poster.
I doubt it but hey put a fiver on it you might make a fortune.
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You being a member of that group has made you lose 22.846 respect points.

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