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Unread 7 Dec 2005, 23:19   #1
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Americans! Help a brother out.

Tell me all about the scholastic institutes of y/our fine nation, such that I may add an 11th hour addendum to my list of university options to consider. Please note to mention approximate costs of studying there per annum for American citizens, and provide handy links if you will.

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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

I'm not American but MIT is pretty good. So are Stanford and Caltech. You might have heard of a place called Harvard too, which has a decent reputation.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

okay, important point.

universities which

a)will cost me less than $100,000 to attend for three years.
b)are easier to get into than, you know, Oxbridge (for comparison, I'm looking at Edinburgh and Liverpool on the British front)
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

I dont mean to question your decision, but why the hell do you want to spend $100000 for an education thats probably inferior to one you'd get here for $15000?

I mean I can understand why you'd want to go to America if you were going to grad school and/or had a chance to get into one of the top colleges, but not an average college for undergrad.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

nod has a good point, why pay $100000 for a mediocre undergrad level degree when you can get the same if not a better undergrad degree here for £10000. Unless you can get into an ivy league school there isnt much point in wasting your money going there imo. Living costs would probably be less than Britain as well you wont be 21 so hey you wont be going to bars and pubs, you will be 15 all over again Generally I believe you will be paying a shit load compared to american students who already pay alot (unless you are American) From a few american friends they told me that you can go to college in the state you live in for less than going to out of state college, hence why many students dont really move from the East coast to the west coast they generally stay in the same place. Out of state study is more expensive. International students pay £10000 a year in this country so god knows how much you would pay in the USA. But if you can afford it do it, at least you will get laid a lot if you are fairly good looking.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

i was born in Maryland. ergo, American citizen. ergo, should be cheaper.

And I'm just looking to explore options. $100,000 is not what i intend to spend, by christ no. However, it IS an upper limit.

And additionally, going by Canadia at least, A-Levels punch above their weight in North America.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

I still cant see what the north american system has over the British system. It is widely accepted that the British undergrad system is one of the best in the world. Due to is specialization. The USA however dont really specialise. Come postgrad thats when its good to study in the USA as they have the most money, best research etc.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

I read somewhere that people pay for their kids to get into Harvard business school not because of its education (which is ace) but because of the people you invariably mix with.

It is much like that with most of the ivy league schools.

I had a friend who went to MIT to study Nuclear physics and he loved it a great deal. However he was a young einstein so got a scholarship. I have no idea what the costs are.

Plus its in Boston which is an ace city.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

In my course we have books/smaller writings on the sylabus written by professors from the big american universities. One of them is Seymour Martin Lipset, who have teached at both Stanford and Harvard. He have problems with basic methods consering how to choose data and to interpret them. Some of the same can be said for Samuel Huntington, who studied at Harvard and Yale and stil teaches at Harvard.

But it looks good to have studied at those universities
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

What are you looking to study?

And, in terms of Ivy League, what JammyJim says. It's the same education except that your Professors are famous and you can make friends with the people who will be buying the presidency in 30 years.

Also, if cost is an issue stay the hell out of NY, Boston, and DC. Over three years you would spend more than 100K even if you didn't enroll in any school.

PS: Maryland is a decent school. Do you think you could still get in-state there? Do they have a reciprocate agreement with any nearby states (Minnesotans can get in-state in Wisconsin and Wisconsonites can get in-state in Minnesota by an agreement between the states)?
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

West Coast. No doubt. For $100,000, you should still be able to get to Reed, or Carleton (not quite west coast) or any of the UC schools even.

If you can financial aid for another 30-40k, you can hit the private schools in new england.
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okay, important point.

universities which

a)will cost me less than $100,000 to attend for three years.
b)are easier to get into than, you know, Oxbridge (for comparison, I'm looking at Edinburgh and Liverpool on the British front)
Any of the University of California system schools: UC Berkley, UCLA, UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara

University of Arizona (My grad school - has Nobel laureates, heading the mission to mars, one the best business schools, and law schools in the country)

Duke
Any of the various Catholic schools (no you don't have to be religious to attend) - Georgetown, University of San Diego, etc

University of Chicago

Penn State
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b)are easier to get into than, you know, Oxbridge
I hear they call them colleges.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

U of Chicago is just as expensive as Amherst, Colby, etc.

You might want to look at Canadian schools, McGill and U of Toronto are just as good as the top tier american schools, for something like a 3rd of the price.

It's what I did anyway.
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U of Chicago is just as expensive as Amherst, Colby, etc.

You might want to look at Canadian schools, McGill and U of Toronto are just as good as the top tier american schools, for something like a 3rd of the price.

It's what I did anyway.
mcgill was the idea put to me that triggered the whole thing. i'm very much aware of UoT/McGill is possibilities, but I'm also aware that they come out pretty expensive for international students when all's said and done: £12-15k p.a. at mcgill, about £12k p.a. at toronto.

Also, anyone who can tell me how Stafford loans work and if i have a cat's chance in hell of getting one given my circumstances wins the awesomeness prize.
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

I think if I was going to study in America I'd go to Colombia in NY, but I'm not even sure why (I think they have some sort of 'deal' with my current uni). It depends on what you want to study, I'm not MIT would be any good at English Lit.

But yeah, what are you looking to study? And how are you looking at Edinburgh? I thought your A-Level grades were pretty rubbish so far (no offence).
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Re: Americans! Help a brother out.

Politics-related courses.

And my grades are dire, but recoverable with resits and application. Not to straight As, but certainly to Bs. Edinburgh wants BBB, McGill wants BBC, Toronto appears to want CCC although I don't really understand transfer credit. American universities are still a mystery to me, thus thread.

Also, if any nice american/canuck types could fill me in on all the financial aid (grants/loans/whatever the hell else) i can get, this would help.
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The acropolis Guide to Getting Great Finanacial Aid™:
1. Ace the PSAT
2. Ace the SAT
3. Get a full ride without ever filling out any 'forms'

anyway, http://www.salliemae.com/plan/index.html for applying and getting financial aid. I hope your parents are poor as **** else no one will help you.*

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Also, if any nice american/canuck types could fill me in on all the financial aid (grants/loans/whatever the hell else) i can get, this would help.
Well I'm doing my own financial aid for grad school right now. (**** it's a pain man).
#1 Call and verify consistently and often to make sure your shit is being worked out properly and that money will be dispursed. Call something like every week or every other week because shit happens and you don't want to be left stranded without money.

Steps to financial aid:

1. Fill out FASFA.
2. Along with applying to school, also fill out their financial aid application - some do it by academic department.
3. Talk to financial aid department and people at the program you want to attend about what kind of grants/scholarships they offer or that you can apply for.
4. Get your shit in order - letters of rec, references, etc.
5. Consistently call to make sure everythings in order, I can not stress enough how important it is. You call one week and they tell you everythings in order and then next week if you call and speak to someone else they'll tell you your paperwork is incomplete or something else happened.

There are two types of stafford loans:
Subsidized and unsubsidized. The former you don't pay interest on the loan while in school, the latter you do but you can opt to have it tacked on to the principal when you finish school (so you don't have to pay the interest while attending school).

There are pell grants, but I'm not sure if you're eligible for them.

Be aware that the process for financial aid can take months, so start early! Don't assume that you can just show up and get money in a week or so (you can't). Yes, some people do that.

Also I remember talking to a professor who was explaining how difficult it is to finance a foreign student because of the high prices of tuition (higher for international students/non-resident in state schools) and getting financial aid - so be careful. Try finding work at the school - sometimes they eliminate tutition entirely for that and schools are always looking for help and assistants.

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Your grades don't count for American Uni's. You have to sit the SATs to apply there so you might be able to do well on that, although you still have to study because they're very strange tests and you need a knack for them afaik.
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ah.

mind you i'm looking mostly at McGill (Montreal) again now after I did some number crunching so who knows
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Depends on what he's doing. Is it graduate or undergraduate?
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Depends on what he's doing. Is it graduate or undergraduate?
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Why would you honestly want to bother? I mean, really? Romantic flights of fancy are for when you have completed your education and you have the money for it, not before.
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