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Unread 15 Oct 2008, 22:38   #101
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Re: Rnd 29 predictions

Let's all do some predictions now! Yay!

(Instead of jibber jabber (of course important but reflective instead of predictive) about some rounds ago)
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Unread 15 Oct 2008, 22:56   #102
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HaNzI, when was the last time you saw a true back stab? I don't mean one of those "in 24 hours our nap is over" 'back stabs'. I mean one of those "ok let's attack alliance Z OH LOL WE ALL LAUNCHED ON YOU INSTEAD OWNED" Back Stabs.
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Unread 15 Oct 2008, 23:42   #103
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I for sure never trust people who easily stab their allies to solve a temporarily problem, which i think happens too often in planetarion.
Im not sure any alliance really trusts an ally in planetarion at all, but not trusting an alliance dosent make dealing with the attack any easier than if you were completely surprised by the betrayal, in the absense of prior warning either way, its not as if there is any greater state of readyness for a pa alliance as we are always all at war to a greater or lesser extent.

If I distrusted an alliance but they were willing to hit an alliance who i needed to hit, i would still do it because the advantages of having 2 alliances hitting one so much outweigh the risk of betrayal

on the point about alliances not holding grudges, it seems to me alliances dont hold grudges very often but what does happen more often is that players hold grudges against other players and if one or other player is in a senior alliance position this can overspill into the realm of alliance politics
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Unread 16 Oct 2008, 18:34   #104
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HaNzI, when was the last time you saw a true back stab? I don't mean one of those "in 24 hours our nap is over" 'back stabs'. I mean one of those "ok let's attack alliance Z OH LOL WE ALL LAUNCHED ON YOU INSTEAD OWNED" Back Stabs.

Are you reffering to an episode which took place in the end of r27? The denial HCs agreed on attacking alliance X together with alliance Y, instead they joined alliance Z and hit alliance Y! "oops" guess alliance Y felt pretty stabbed :P
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Unread 16 Oct 2008, 19:17   #105
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Are you reffering to an episode which took place in the end of r27? The denial HCs agreed on attacking alliance X together with alliance Y, instead they joined alliance Z and hit alliance Y! "oops" guess alliance Y felt pretty stabbed :P
Alliance Y shouldn't feel stabbed, its a game, where people play to win. Alliance Y wanted Denial to hit Alliance X too, so they could win, Denial made a choice on which one benefitted them the best. shouldn't be any hard feelings.
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Hitting Y sounds back stabbing to me. I was in Denial, but i don't follow these politics stuff at all so can't remember nor even know what are you guys talking about.
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Jesus christ would you buttes just use actual alliance names.
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Round 29.
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Unread 16 Oct 2008, 20:22   #109
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I'm with JBG on this one. As long as you can't evaluate some of those variables I will remain unconvinced.
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Alliance Y shouldn't feel stabbed, its a game, where people play to win. Alliance Y wanted Denial to hit Alliance X too, so they could win, Denial made a choice on which one benefitted them the best. shouldn't be any hard feelings.
Well, as you're now an alliance playing to win from the off and lacking credibility in the honesty stakes after this manoevre, what benefit is there to working with Denial, exactly? Why won't X be attacked? What's the point of an attack that appears to be beneficial to X when it could be some shameful facade? And even if you do attack with X alliance, what's to say you aren't arranging for other people to attack X?

These are all legitimate questions that HC's around the universe (if they've got any sense) should be asking themselves. Now while I'm not saying they shouldn't work with Denial, you're certainly inviting yourself to be treated at arms length.

Lets say you are head to head with NewDawn, Conspiracy or whoever. Who do you think is going to have the better offer for alliance X sitting in the middle?
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For anyone who hasnt guessed it alliance Y was CT =p
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And I'd also be keen to point out that at the moment there seems to be a general concensus that it doesn't make sense to "hold a grudge" and while this may (unintentionally) be seen as flaming, a lot of it is coming from people related to Denial in some way.

As munkee said, Disc and HaNzI were talking about Conspiracy in their little hypto-crypto game of alliance algebra. So while it may well have been said already - when you're looking for potential relations within the political field, you have to assess the risks and benefits. And given Denial's track record which isn't the cleanest in the business, there's a considerably higher "risk factor" than other alliances.

So unfortunately, Disc, it's not a case of 'holding a grudge', like lokken was saying it's a case of there being a poor basis for trust. You can go for the win again this round all you like, but if somebody does agree to work with you you'd best make damned sure you play the relationship by the book, because a "winning at all costs" attitude will not earn you any friends.

Given you intend to stick around a while, I'd say that proving you can be trusted should be amongst your aims for this round.

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lokken, any chance of a topic split? alliance predictions, and denial trust issues? the thread's just a little off-topic atm...
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I'd say they are interrelated enough to stay in the same place and are part of the natural flow of the thread. As much as you would like to have a thread bashing Denial, it's not warranted.
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I'd hardly say that the thread would be denial bashing, nor would I say that that's what I'd like to see. I think that the effects of what can only be described as "selfish play" is a viable topic to be discussed, and there are two sides to the argument - it DID give Denial the win, and so it wasn't a completely illegitimate tactic.

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I'd hardly say that the thread would be denial bashing, nor would I say that that's what I'd like to see. I think that the effects of what can only be described as "selfish play" is a viable topic to be discussed, and there are two sides to the argument - it DID give Denial the win, and so it wasn't a completely illegitimate tactic.

But ok, your call I guess.
After all the bashing Denial recieved from tick 400 till the end. You keep whining on one unkept promise. Get real..
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After all the bashing Denial recieved from tick 400 till the end. You keep whining on one unkept promise. Get real..
You maybe want to read my post again. I'm not a doctor, but I don't see any whining in either one of my last few posts in this thread.
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After all the bashing Denial recieved from tick 400 till the end. You keep whining on one unkept promise. Get real..
What would be the point of talking about kept promises? To me, keeping your promises goes without saying. It gets interesting when they're broken, because it's out of the ordinary.

Well ok, not for Denial maybe. But for the rest of us it is.
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You maybe want to read my post again. I'm not a doctor, but I don't see any whining in either one of my last few posts in this thread.
It wasn't really meant to be directly just for you Kenny. Dunno why I quoted it actually.
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Look at yourself, if you wouldn't be drinking vodka 24/7 you might actually have something reasonable to say. I agree on venox thou.
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I sometimes drink whiskey too :/
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I'd hardly say that the thread would be denial bashing, nor would I say that that's what I'd like to see. I think that the effects of what can only be described as "selfish play" is a viable topic to be discussed, and there are two sides to the argument - it DID give Denial the win, and so it wasn't a completely illegitimate tactic.

But ok, your call I guess.
Yes, it's what might make the difference between them winning and not, which is very much a topic for debate in a r29 predictions thread.

On topic, every alliance should play selfishly - playing selfishly doesn't affect whether alliance X wants to ally with alliance Y or not. But there are other questions (see above) that might influence that decision and as you've point out, trust is a big factor in that.
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You would think a 200m win margin would be enough for people to think, that just ***MAYBE*** ASC are capable of winning in any capacity.. GUESS NOT!!! Sometimes I wonder what PA players are thinking (or even if they do!)

Jumping on a bandwagon is a lot easier I suppose.

Edit to add: Not picking on Asc (Ive said nothing but good stuff about u guys! WD last round!).. However, looking blindly in one direction isn't always the best course of action to choose.
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Yeah, but we're so fluffy, like bunnies. You guys are all spiky and yuck, like those poisonous blowfish things. It's ok though, you just need better PR. Shame CT snapped Kenny up
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Firstly- i don't think the world ever wants to see any more kenny videos

Secondly- Trust between alliances is a silly notion! Its a war game and in war people use relationships to their best advantage and anyone who thinks otherwise is i liar or naive. A win at all costs approach from more than one alliance might actually make the game interesting
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You would think a 200m win margin would be enough for people to think, that just ***MAYBE*** ASC are capable of winning in any capacity.. GUESS NOT!!! Sometimes I wonder what PA players are thinking (or even if they do!)
Asc seems to be rather cyclical in how well they play, so we all seem to assume they will be on one of their relatively off rounds, the question is; if we are wrong will the rest of us notice and react in time to prevent another hegemony?
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You would think a 200m win margin would be enough for people to think, that just ***MAYBE*** ASC are capable of winning in any capacity.. GUESS NOT!!! Sometimes I wonder what PA players are thinking (or even if they do!)

Jumping on a bandwagon is a lot easier I suppose.

Edit to add: Not picking on Asc (Ive said nothing but good stuff about u guys! WD last round!).. However, looking blindly in one direction isn't always the best course of action to choose.
I think everyone knows what Asc are capable off. And perhaps have had the biggest lead i have ever witnessed in PA tbh. (maybe thats wrong but i cant remmember everything ofc )

But, people might be been hostile towards Denial becuase of statements from the previous round they played claiming they had the most incoming in PA history and still won... thats just arrogence which people dont like to see. Or maybe it just had somthing to do with the fact 3 quaters of the HC team were closed for abusing a bug and claimed it was legit. Who knows. But anyway myself personaly have nothing against your alliance (although people keep saying i do fs) So gud luck to you, and of course good luck to the Asc guys that was my home the last 2 rounds and im going to miss those gits
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I simply meant that asc seems to play really hard one round then some of you relax a bit the next, we are all aware - as this round proved - asc playing to the max will win, we r all thankful it dosent happen every round.
I think most commentators knew asc had the greatest potential in the game even before r28.
since the original point was about everyone denial bashing and ignoring asc, i wonder if everyone is ignoring asc simply because we dont want to consider a repeat of r28 as a possibility, most ppl who i have talked to who were not in asc thought it was the worst round for a long time; thus a repeat is unthinkable, but although a grand coalition might have stopped asc early on the attempts to forge one didnt seem to get anywhere, thus if we cant think how to stop u we simply wish you out of existance and set up another target on the firing line... we r in Denial
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I think everyone knows what Asc are capable off. And perhaps have had the biggest lead i have ever witnessed in PA tbh. (maybe thats wrong but i cant remmember everything ofc )

But, people might be been hostile towards Denial becuase of statements from the previous round they played claiming they had the most incoming in PA history and still won... thats just arrogence which people dont like to see. Or maybe it just had somthing to do with the fact 3 quaters of the HC team were closed for abusing a bug and claimed it was legit. Who knows. But anyway myself personaly have nothing against your alliance (although people keep saying i do fs) So gud luck to you, and of course good luck to the Asc guys that was my home the last 2 rounds and im going to miss those gits
As far as I am aware I don't think Denial was claiming it recieved the most incommings in Planetarion Alliance history, because quite frankly its not true, theres not even 10% of the playing numbers as r5! Im guessing something has been taken out of context, they do recieve alot of incommings though, and the way people have jumped at the thought of Denial coming back, i see this round as being no different.

HC are VenoX, Reese, Eksero, Disc and Ali. Only two of them have ever been accused/caught of cheating, thats 40%, not 75%, and that was also 2 rounds ago, and people say they don't hold grudges

At the end of the day, this is a new Denial. with players who haven't even played for Denial before, HC that have never HC'd before, and DC's who have never DC'd before, so all this thread is for nothing.

I don't care who wins the round, aslong as its enjoyable and they deserved it (not napped and allied to #1)
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I totally agree. The winner of r29 should be hostile to its own planets.
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You know what i meant, typo, (Not allie+nap its way to #1 spot), actually fight for the win.
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HC are VenoX, Reese, Eksero, Disc and Ali. Only two of them have ever been accused/caught of cheating, thats 40%, not 75%, and that was also 2 rounds ago, and people say they don't hold grudges
Please, take your paranoia elsewhere about 'grudges'. People will work with you and against you. Okay people might enjoy option #2 more if they feel its the right option but I highly doubt anyone will shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to work outright with Denial or go out to destroy Denial even if it lands them in the political soup.

As for the rest of this quote, it's so utterly disgraceful it's not worthy of a response.
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Please, take your paranoia elsewhere about 'grudges'. People will work with you and against you. Okay people might enjoy option #2 more if they feel its the right option but I highly doubt anyone will shoot themselves in the foot by refusing to work outright with Denial or go out to destroy Denial even if it lands them in the political soup.

As for the rest of this quote, it's so utterly disgraceful it's not worthy of a response.
Ahhh Lokken, nice to see you posted again, hopefully you won't delete this one, as you deleted your idiotic post last night b4 i could reply. Which bit of the quote is disgraceful? Im sorry Lokken, next time someone accuses me and my irc friends of cheating, i'll keep quiet, i forgot no free speech is allowed
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Ahhh Lokken, nice to see you posted again, hopefully you won't delete this one, as you deleted your idiotic post last night b4 i could reply. Which bit of the quote is disgraceful? Im sorry Lokken, next time someone accuses me and my irc friends of cheating, i'll keep quiet, i forgot no free speech is allowed
Well I think "only X of us have cheated" is still a pretty sorry state of affairs to be honest. If you don't think so, don't.
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What happened to the predictions?
either way ill have a second go

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either way ill have a second go

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The thread is now about Denial after i dared to say they wouldnt win.
lets make it a predictionthread again please!

so messiah whats ur reasons for the top3 atleast?
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CareBears fell apart quick enough and generally underperformed last rd, i dont see why denial should do any better this round. except for, ofc vladel, but how much can one player do?

i wonder if denial or audentes will split up first....
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CareBears fell apart quick enough and generally underperformed last rd, i dont see why denial should do any better this round. except for, ofc vladel, but how much can one player do?

i wonder if denial or audentes will split up first....
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i thought all my fellow carebearstaring carebearmates who cared so much about last round carried it over pretty thoroughly about how r28 was actually a round off...imo some tried almost too hard to convince everyone , this being a true example of getting the opposite result..

or could it be just u , killerbee? I dunno..u've been around longer, u tell me.
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CareBears fell apart quick enough and generally underperformed last rd, i dont see why denial should do any better this round. except for, ofc vladel, but how much can one player do?

i wonder if denial or audentes will split up first....
hmm interesting thinking Killerbee, HOWEVER i doubt Denial will fall apart, their core is actually quite loyal so my money would have to be on audentes falling apart first( if they fall apart )
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No, I mean round 19. Angels didn't play 17. it would be insomnia instead in 17. I'm not completely sure what happened there either apart from Ins (3rd) deciding to help 1up (hiding score but everyone knew they were 1st by far) in hitting Omen (2nd)
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No, I mean round 19. Angels didn't play 17. it would be insomnia instead in 17. I'm not completely sure what happened there either apart from Ins (3rd) deciding to help 1up (hiding score but everyone knew they were 1st by far) in hitting Omen (2nd)
yes angels did play round 17. Omen allied them before tick start
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