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Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 20:27

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Originally posted by gadas
tw i count only 3 planets from LDK closed yesterday from list wich was provided in this thread. As shadowsas was closed a long time ago.

as LDK kinda admits they have members with closed planets i would like to ask a question:

do u kick ppl who have been closed for cheating out of ur alliance or are they rl-friends and therefor dont get kicked?

laputa · 10 Jul 2003, 20:34

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
as LDK kinda admits they have members with closed planets i would like to ask a question:

do u kick ppl who have been closed for cheating out of ur alliance or are they rl-friends and therefor dont get kicked?

I kinda doubt that Meddy and Nacho ever went to Lithuania; additionally I see them more as Ouzo than as LDK.

Maddix · 10 Jul 2003, 20:55

Interesting question, I would assume they are tho, not many alliances that don't kick proven cheaters.

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 20:58

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Originally posted by laputa
I kinda doubt that Meddy and Nacho ever went to Lithuania; additionally I see them more as Ouzo than as LDK.

laputa we both know that there were also lith ldk player who got closed (donceka f eg is lith iirc).

Velta · 10 Jul 2003, 21:01

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Originally posted by Maddix
Interesting question, I would assume they are tho, not many alliances that don't kick proven cheaters.

I disagree there. Most alliances appear to be doing so..

Maddix · 10 Jul 2003, 21:04

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Originally posted by Velta
I disagree there. Most alliances appear to be doing so..

That is what I said....

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Originally posted by Maddix
not many alliances that don't kick proven cheaters

dabult · 10 Jul 2003, 21:10

Wasnt there an exec in some other alliance that recently got closed..?

das_experiment · 10 Jul 2003, 21:12

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
laputa we both know that there were also lith ldk player who got closed (donceka f eg is lith iirc).

donceka seems to cheat pretty often

he was in my r9 gal, but pissed off after 2 weeks

dont know if he got a new account or sumfin, but ive heard he did

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 21:14

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Originally posted by dabult
Wasnt there an exec in some other alliance that recently got closed..?

talking about gorgorath? im not sure about his position in dragons but ofc it would be interesting to know if he is still dragon as well

/me looks to jurgen

The_Fish · 10 Jul 2003, 21:18

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
talking about gorgorath? im not sure about his position in dragons but ofc it would be interesting to know if he is still dragon as well

/me looks to jurgen

he's still a Dragon, he doesnt believe he cheated afaik

BetrayerOfHope · 10 Jul 2003, 21:18

hmm why lockhead has op in #eclipse isn't he a proven cheater for example?

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 21:20

hes planet was closed a while ago (if i have the right coords) but he is open again anyway.

BetrayerOfHope · 10 Jul 2003, 21:22

and he wasn't cougt cheating in the past?

i mean u are only sad twats for me with a double moral and u go on my nervs ...

btw sorry lockhead u know i wub u but i didn't find an better example so quick

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 21:23

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
hmm why lockhead has op in #eclipse isn't he a proven cheater for example?

seems u dont want to answer my question but to answer urs id suggest u contact me on irc and show me the prouve u got (im pretty sure u know where u can find me).

TeraHertz · 10 Jul 2003, 21:26

Don't be obtuse. Every alliance/battle group of any repute has scan planets. I expect anyone accepting scans from this planet is breaking the rules. Which makes a hell of alot of us cheaters.

(yes, I've accepted scans from scan planets, who can honestly say they haven't - and if the pa crew feel the need to close me for this, so be it.)

*edit. I forgot to add the point of my post

If every alliance kicked cheaters, there would be no alliances.
+ calling you obtuse was a little harsh ;-)

BetrayerOfHope · 10 Jul 2003, 21:29

oh they don't take it so serious wasn't r7 a pa team (crew?) member closed for overtakeing a forgein planet?

aren't there still memberz in the pa team who are cheating?

BetrayerOfHope · 10 Jul 2003, 21:32

to be honest i personaly wouldn't kick a member of my alliance when he got catched for "normal" crimes against the rulez.

MY PERSONAL OPINION

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 21:34

thats going to be interesting. is admiting on the boards that u have broken the rules enough reason to close someone (a shame i got ur coords tera :/)

The_Fish · 10 Jul 2003, 21:35

technically he didnt cheat, he's seen scans from scan planets, unless its HIS scan planet, then he hasnt cheated

Velta · 10 Jul 2003, 21:50

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Originally posted by Maddix
That is what I said....

Sorry im tired

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
to be honest i personaly wouldn't kick a member of my alliance when he got catched for "normal" crimes against the rulez.

MY PERSONAL OPINION

Mebbe define normal?

Supernova9 · 10 Jul 2003, 21:52

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
seems u dont want to answer my question but to answer urs id suggest u contact me on irc and show me the prouve u got (im pretty sure u know where u can find me).

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Originally sent by izverg in a pm to me
Ok, face the truth, imagine that we kick Shadowsas from our aliance, than next round he will play in your aliance. Did
FanG kicked gazman or Draki? No. So we also hope, that Shadowsas learned from this and will be wise enough not to cheat in the future as gazman and Draki.
If he cheats again, his reputation will be such a crap, that nobody will take him in next time and ofc we kick him out.

That's the answer.

Lord_Olrik · 10 Jul 2003, 22:01

and if fang command jumps out of the window ldk&friends will do so as well ?

Scorpio · 10 Jul 2003, 22:08

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
and if fang command jumps out of the window ldk&friends will do so as well ?

no. we'll take the elevator/stairs and collect any valuable properties those fang'ers possessed

Lerxst · 10 Jul 2003, 22:11

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Originally posted by BetrayerOfHope
aren't there still memberz in the pa team who are cheating?

Yes. There are. It's one of the reasons for me why focussing on RL and forgetting about PA isn't that hard...

Maddix · 11 Jul 2003, 00:37

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Originally posted by dabult
Wasnt there an exec in some other alliance that recently got closed..?

He wasn't closed, he admitted cheating to his fellow execs and deleted his own planets.

Goatsemaster · 11 Jul 2003, 03:36

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
as LDK kinda admits they have members with closed planets i would like to ask a question:

do u kick ppl who have been closed for cheating out of ur alliance or are they rl-friends and therefor dont get kicked?

GLASS HOUSE ALERT!

Goatsemaster · 11 Jul 2003, 03:40

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
seems u dont want to answer my question but to answer urs id suggest u contact me on irc and show me the prouve u got (im pretty sure u know where u can find me).

Lockhead has account shared in the past. How is that any different from discovering a player is cheating now? I mean, if LDK kicks Meddy/et.al. now (useless player without a planet), would it be 'ok' for them to recruit them for r10?

Your logic is full of holes. Please go back to your little hole. Alternatively, I believe your tiny head my fit up my ass.

Goatsemaster · 11 Jul 2003, 03:40

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Originally posted by Maddix
Interesting question, I would assume they are tho, not many alliances that don't kick proven cheaters.

Only cheaters that have been publicly exposed, dear.

Zh|l · 11 Jul 2003, 05:14

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Originally posted by ******master
Lockhead has account shared in the past. How is that any different from discovering a player is cheating now? I mean, if LDK kicks Meddy/et.al. now (useless player without a planet), would it be 'ok' for them to recruit them for r10?

Your logic is full of holes. Please go back to your little hole. Alternatively, I believe your tiny head my fit up my ass.

Generally when an alliance kicks someone they don't readmitted back into said alliance. At least that's what I thought.

KeyStroke · 11 Jul 2003, 06:12

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Originally posted by TeraHertz
Don't be obtuse. Every alliance/battle group of any repute has scan planets. I expect anyone accepting scans from this planet is breaking the rules. Which makes a hell of alot of us cheaters.

Any repute? I would say that isnt a repute to be proud of then. This thread is like hypocracy at worst. One thing who's worse than a cheater is the ones who knows about it, and accept it as the cheaters in question is friends, or alliance members of theirs.

And no not all alliances use scan planets, I wont claim any fame or repute for mine, but at ours scanners get first pick in attacks in exchange for their services.

Biusa · 11 Jul 2003, 06:32

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
talking about gorgorath? im not sure about his position in dragons but ofc it would be interesting to know if he is still dragon as well

/me looks to jurgen

If you are talking about Gorgoroth, yes he was and still is a Ðragon.
Multihunters closed him last weekend and were running a bargain on how much roids / fleetscore sould be taken away.
Gorgoroth asked them to close the planet, but keep roids / fleetscore so Spinner himself could decide, as the case was very unclear and was not "an attempt of cheating", or farming - which they accused him off. He was closed for several days (4 or 5?) and then Spinner (I believe) informed that it's a "clear case" and he lost more roids than in the "offer from multihunter's" 4-5 days earlier. He was never contacted or informed about this decision and found his planet opened when he tried to log in and was in search of Spinner & co. Nice job.
Also he got treaten very badly by the multihunters etc. when there was no reason for it. Kinda not so sexy.

His position will remain the same. It's very unfortunate that this case turned against us (Gorgoroth) by the trigger happy Multihunter squad. We know it wasn't what he got accused of (farming) and feel bad about this judgement - Yet, Multihunters can't close someone who's account information with logs has been given to them by 3rd parties.

He has been top 10 twice before and lost his chance to win due to picking the wrong side and staying loyal to his alliance in the war. Now he had a good chance to win (early to say, lots of time left) and PA crew is taking it away.
/me very sad

I know him in real life and he is like a brother to me, so I know what im talking about. You can try find a more active and loyal player who puts so much effort in the game.

yours,
Biusa
Ðragons High Command

mens · 11 Jul 2003, 06:52

2nd

izverg · 11 Jul 2003, 07:56

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Originally posted by Supernova9
Originally sent by izverg in a pm to me

Originally sent to all

u so easy guessable....hehe.
ech..sadly my english sux :-) and yes, yes, don't show that
innocent eyes and straitlaced anger, that u did not understood that its not logical to get rid of good player (yes good) that in next round other aliances will happily use against you regardless of what they say now. So he has his chance to learn from the mistake as other aliance players do, unless he proofs he is an idiot next round.

Scouse · 11 Jul 2003, 11:05

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Originally posted by Biusa
Biusa
Ðragons High Command

I'm interested, are Ðragons now an 'alliance' or a 'battlegroup'?

Morden · 11 Jul 2003, 12:09

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Originally posted by Scouse
I'm interested, are Ðragons now an 'alliance' or a 'battlegroup'?

these days Battlegroups are just alliances who use someone else as flak,
(another way around the "No Dual membership rule")

The_Fish · 11 Jul 2003, 13:05

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Originally posted by Scouse
I'm interested, are Ðragons now an 'alliance' or a 'battlegroup'?

still a BG

cypher · 11 Jul 2003, 13:19

alliance, just call it a bg so you can get more alliances....

easier for deffing

Scouse · 11 Jul 2003, 14:04

That was my point.

Battlegroup's don't have High Command.

Banned · 11 Jul 2003, 15:27

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Originally posted by Zh|l
Generally when an alliance kicks someone they don't readmitted back into said alliance. At least that's what I thought.

That's usually due to personal anti-vouches though. If the same HC moved to a new alliance they'd most likely anti-vouch correctly there as well. My point is simply that readmission isn't really different from joining a new alliance when it is a public issue.

For example:
Jonny (not Bgood) is in Wanktards, but cheats during round 14. Wanktards kicks him, there's a small fuss along with it, possibly even some AD/PD posts. Jonny applies to StupidHeads for round 15, they admit him despite his cheating.

How is that different than Wanktards readmitting him? It isn't. The fact that he's cheated is 'public'. If he has actually and truthfully respited then he might as well be able to play with his 'friends' in Wanktards again.

Maddix · 11 Jul 2003, 15:30

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Originally posted by Scouse
That was my point.

Battlegroup's don't have High Command.

Some people obviously have the need to feel important.

Biusa · 11 Jul 2003, 15:43

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Originally posted by Scouse
I'm interested, are Ðragons now an 'alliance' or a 'battlegroup'?

Just something to indicate my status in Ðragons, call it whatever you want. Some had no problems talking about "Execs" of Ðragons so what is the problem you see here? Our command structure is our own and we can have what titles we like, sir.
I'll change it for you, tho.

Scouse · 11 Jul 2003, 17:13

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Originally posted by Biusa
Just something to indicate my status in Ðragons, call it whatever you want. Some had no problems talking about "Execs" of Ðragons so what is the problem you see here? Our command structure is our own and we can have what titles we like, sir.
I'll change it for you, tho.

Perhaps you should admit that you're an alliance and just become an 'Alliance' and stop trying to use other alliances as a means of getting defence?

It seems pretty obvious to me that your members care more for Ðragons than their various alliances, and that they only actually have those alliances to get defence.

Dave · 11 Jul 2003, 17:18

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Originally posted by Scouse
It seems pretty obvious to me that your members care more for Ðragons than their various alliances, and that they only actually have those alliances to get defence.

Biusa and many other Wolfpack members did that last round

.

And still denied that they didnt care much about their alliance.

das_experiment · 11 Jul 2003, 17:20

I think of Dragons as an alliance.

Lord_Olrik · 11 Jul 2003, 17:59

i consider dragons as an alliance as well and i dont understand why ppl 'donate' their members to dragons but on the other hand i was told by a FAnG HC that he checks his dragons members daily and makes sure 2 of their 3 fleets work for fang so it seems to be possible to controll members of such dominate "bgroups".

about gor: thx filling me in about his case and yes gor puts alot into the game (hed even beat up allied command members irl if he could :P)

Maddix · 11 Jul 2003, 18:10

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Originally posted by Scouse
Perhaps you should admit that you're an alliance and just become an 'Alliance' and stop trying to use other alliances as a means of getting defence?

It seems pretty obvious to me that your members care more for Ðragons than their various alliances, and that they only actually have those alliances to get defence.

Easiest thing would be for other alliances to deny their members Ðragons membership, make them choose.

TeraHertz · 11 Jul 2003, 20:31

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Originally posted by Lord_Olrik
thats going to be interesting. is admiting on the boards that u have broken the rules enough reason to close someone (a shame i got ur coords tera :/)

Hmm, is there anyone that doesn't have my coords?

I'm not closed yet btw.

Banned · 11 Jul 2003, 20:39

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Originally posted by Maddix
Easiest thing would be for other alliances to deny their members Ðragons membership, make them choose.

Plush, nos, recipe for success!

Rids · 12 Jul 2003, 11:39

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Originally posted by Maddix
Interesting question, I would assume they are tho, not many alliances that don't kick proven cheaters.

I can name two from PA's golden period that were a little slack when it came to removing cheats, Legion and Fury.

Now get off your high horse before I have to knock you off it.

Supernova9 · 12 Jul 2003, 12:02

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Originally posted by izverg
Originally sent to all u so easy guessable....hehe.
ech..sadly my english sux :-) and yes, yes, don't show that
innocent eyes and straitlaced anger, that u did not understood that its not logical to get rid of good player (yes good) that in next round other aliances will happily use against you regardless of what they say now. So he has his chance to learn from the mistake as other aliance players do, unless he proofs he is an idiot next round.

I know he's a good player, watched him play this round and watched him shoot up the rankings.