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Unread 12 Dec 2006, 02:54   #1
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Yo americans

(if you can address my head of state's prime minister this way then you 'bet your ass' i can address you this way)

When are you going to give us a democrat in the white house?

we don't care about your selfishness and your local issues. you have congress and the senate for that.

when can we have a democrat in the house?
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Unread 12 Dec 2006, 03:27   #2
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Re: Yo americans

Do you really want Hilary as the first woman president to get assassinated?
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Do you really want Hilary as the first woman president to get assassinated?
she'd find it hard to be the second female president to be assasinated.
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Re: Yo americans

Excuse me. I don't object to being addressed by "Yo Americans.' However, I am not sure what you are talking about otherwise. Who refered to Mr. Blair as "yo, Tony" or some such? Did George do that?
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Excuse me. I don't object to being addressed by "Yo Americans.' However, I am not sure what you are talking about otherwise. Who refered to Mr. Blair as "yo, Tony" or some such? Did George do that?
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Re: Yo americans

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Excuse me. I don't object to being addressed by "Yo Americans.' However, I am not sure what you are talking about otherwise. Who refered to Mr. Blair as "yo, Tony" or some such? Did George do that?
Hahaha... "yo, Tony"... mix in a bit of an Italian accent and it could be like the very next mafia film.
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Re: Yo americans

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When are you going to give us a democrat in the white house?

we don't care about your selfishness and your local issues. you have congress and the senate for that.

when can we have a democrat in the house?
If the Democrats get it right, 20th January 2009. If they don't.....**** knows.
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Re: Yo americans

If it's not Hillary, it might be Obama as the next Democratic Presidential Candidate, who I think is too green to run for President, but he's high on the popularity contest for some reason.
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it'll irritate the fundies enough to start them foaming at the mouth
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The cynic in me wants to say: "Whats the difference anyway?"
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Re: Yo americans

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Why do we want a Democrat in the White House?

qft, the democrats are bastards, iirc they're going after hardcore porn more visciously than the republicans; besides the earliest opportunity to have a democrat in the whitehouse is 2008.
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qft, the democrats are bastards, iirc they're going after hardcore porn more visciously than the republicans; besides the earliest opportunity to have a democrat in the whitehouse is 2008.
Hardcore porn? Next thing you know they'll be outlawing masturbation!
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If it's not Hillary, it might be Obama as the next Democratic Presidential Candidate, who I think is too green to run for President, but he's high on the popularity contest for some reason.
What's the deal with Obama?

I'd never heard of him until today - the Guardian has a few articles on him...

Although most people seem to be suggesting that a mixed-race democratic candidate that's not from the south has no chance of winning whatsoever, so the Republicans are bigging him up...
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What's the deal with Obama?

I'd never heard of him until today - the Guardian has a few articles on him...
He's perhaps one of the greatest Democratic prospects - young, black and a very powerful speaker, hugely charismatic. He appeals to a large cross-section of America, and has demonstrated in his short Senate career so far that he's able to work with Republicans successfully. He shot to fame in 2004 with the keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention, pushing Kerry into the shadows.

Have a read of this, it should be pretty informative. There's a bunch of articles listed at the end, they're probably all a good read as well.

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Although most people seem to be suggesting that a mixed-race democratic candidate that's not from the south has no chance of winning whatsoever, so the Republicans are bigging him up...
It really won't matter that much. Get him on TV and exposed to every American and I think he'll be unstoppable. He transcends racial stereotypes - the colour of his skin will probably never be an issue except in the media, which needs something to talk about. You don't really need to be from the South either, it just can help.
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You really do need to be from the South - take a look at every Democratic president since JFK.
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You really do need to be from the South - take a look at every Democratic president since JFK.
I disagree - you only need to be able to appeal to the South. Which Obama should be able to do. The South doesn't really represent that many Electoral College votes, ignoring Texas which will always go Republican.

The Mid-West states, Ohio and Florida need to go a Democrat's way. If they do, they should win. They are the real swing states these days.
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Re: Yo americans

Essentially you're correct, but you can't gloss over the oh so dramatic red state v. blue state distinctions.

With the exception of occiasionally New Hampshire (live free or die), the Northeast and West Coast will consistently go Democrat, regardless of the candidate's geographical origin. Even in Massachusetts, where 'Mormon Mitt' Romney is a potential GOP candidate, he's not likely to win his home state.

That objective look at home territory just isn't present in the South. Arkansas, which is a conservative bastion for all intensive purposes, voted Clinton. South Carolina was close enough to Kerry/Edwards that should Edwards be on the top of the ticket, it would turn blue. Though it's not a guaranteed win (See 1976), you can bank on a Northeast/West Coast sweep for any democrat ever and there's possibility for a switch for a southern politician. It's just not like that vice versa.

Which is why I hope Wesley Clark wins the nomination.
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Re: Yo americans

I want Hilary Clinton to win the US presidency, and Ségolène Royal to win the French presidency. Then we'd have three women in charge of powerful countries (hello Germany). No real reason for that--I just think I'd be fun.
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I want Hilary Clinton to win the US presidency, and Ségolène Royal to win the French presidency. Then we'd have three women in charge of powerful countries (hello Germany). No real reason for that--I just think I'd be fun.
And once a month they all impose sanctions on each other?

No thanks
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Essentially you're correct, but you can't gloss over the oh so dramatic red state v. blue state distinctions.
You are, of course, right in this respect. It's incredibly complex and you could write essays and essays on the subject while only scratching the surface.

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That objective look at home territory just isn't present in the South. Arkansas, which is a conservative bastion for all intensive purposes, voted Clinton. South Carolina was close enough to Kerry/Edwards that should Edwards be on the top of the ticket, it would turn blue. Though it's not a guaranteed win (See 1976), you can bank on a Northeast/West Coast sweep for any democrat ever and there's possibility for a switch for a southern politician. It's just not like that vice versa.
Arkansas has, however, historically been more Democratic-leaning than states such as Oklahoma, Alabama and Mississippi. For example, both of its Senators are currently Democrats. Regarding Edwards, there was never any guarantee that South Carolina would go for him, and certainly not North Carolina. If he was the Presidential candidate? Perhaps.

In 2004 Bush took the entire South, but Kerry only lost because of Ohio. The same can be said for Gore's loss in 2000. If the Democrats can continue their resurgeance in the Mountain states (Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, and Wyoming) and the Mid-West (Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Ohio, Wisconsin) then they'll win Presidential elections. Obama can do that. If he does that, he doesn't have to win any Southern states (which he will).


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Which is why I hope Wesley Clark wins the nomination.
Why? He's from Chicago, not the South. Or are you saying this on the basis of his military background?
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And as for all this Arkansas vote this way, Maryland votes that way. By far the biggest group of voters is made of people who don't vote for anybody.
But since they're not voting, and so not directly deciding who wins, we're better off focusing on those who do vote and which way various states swing. If Hillary gets the nomination, some Democrats will choose not to vote; if Sam Brownback (a big social conservative) got the Republican nomination, I expect that many moderate Republicans would struggle to vote for him and would instead stay at home.

Your point doesn't affect the general leanings of each state, nor Barrow's popular contention that a Democratic candidate needs to be from the South to win.
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But who cares which side wins? They are basically the same party. The Democracts are a teeny tiny bit less shit on some levels then the Republicans but its like asking who do you want to run the local protection racket? The mafia or the triads. Its nonsense that we are even getting itnto this discussion so early anyway. People are saying how they want Hilary to win, what they are basically saying is they want a dynasty, listen to yourselves. She is a ****tard, no more than that.

And as for all this Arkansas vote this way, Maryland votes that way. By far the biggest group of voters is made of people who don't vote for anybody.
Personally, I see it more as damage limitation more than anything else. If the Democrats kill fewer people with their foreign policy then in the short-term that is a good thing.
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Out of interest, is there any rational reason why the American right hate Hilary Clinton so passionately? I mean, I know she's a woman and obviously linked to Bill, but the bile seems to be off the scale and totally disproportionate to her actions. Did she set fire to a load of bibles covered in flags while battering puppies with George Washington's remains or something?
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If the Democrats kill fewer people with their foreign policy then in the short-term that is a good thing.
The Democrat track-record on foriegn policy is not necessarily good in that area...
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the democrats could put wile e coyote and the roadrunner on the ticket right now and win
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The Democrat track-record on foriegn policy is not necessarily good in that area...
I'm well aware of that, but if they can at least begin to cut back on unilateral decisions in the very short-term it will be a good thing.

At the end of the day you have to be practical and encourage damage-limitation. It's all good and well to say you would like to see a communist revolution but it's not going to happen by voting for a third-party candidate who gets 0.1% of the vote.

there needs to be people at all levels of social interaction (from MPs to trade unionists to people putting up posters) whilst some attempt is made to reach the vast majority of people (both voters and non-voters) that a change is needed.
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And as for all this Arkansas vote this way, Maryland votes that way. By far the biggest group of voters is made of people who don't vote for anybody.
By this you would surely mean non-voters? After all, to be a 'voter' one must surely actually vote. In any case, I don't see the relevance of discussing such people in an election thread since they have no impact on the outcome.

I also take exception to your argument that 'little difference' is the same as 'no difference' as regards political parties. In the American case I would cite the differing attitudes towards homosexuality, criminal justice and foreign policy as just a few reasons why I would most likely vote Democrat. Your attitude of 'if you can't fix everything why bother fixing anything?' seems quite akin to that of a tempermental four old with a broken train set. They don't vote either though
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The cynic in me wants to say: "Whats the difference anyway?"
What you cannot be serious. It is so important to the super rich. Democrats favor agriculture/service big business while the Reublicans favor Oil and Gas big buisness. Just look at the profits made by the Oil and Gas companies while Bush has been in office. Econmist want to says it's all supply and demand but it appears to be more governed/influenced to me.
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Great, something else to get Travler started on, another thing that's a mortal sin, and he probably thinks it should be illegal.
And what? Deprive millions of teenage boys their right of passage? You cannot legislate that crap. Would be easier to legislate farting.
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And what? Deprive millions of teenage boys their right of passage? You cannot legislate that crap. Would be easier to legislate farting.
Did we finally find a sin in the Bible that Travler is ok with...???
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So if 3 people voted that would be OK? You're not in the least bit interested in why people aren't voting?
Turnout's an obvious issue, but people don't vote for a number of reasons. Some are apathetic towards the idea of voting, regardless of their political affiliation. Others choose not to vote because they can't bring themselves to vote for any of the candidates - thus my examples of Clinton and Brownback.


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You are basically admitting that US democracy is a worthless sham then?
What. The. Hell.

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AS I said the general leaning in each state is that neither of the main parties is satisfactory, why are you blind to this fact?
I'm blind to this fact? Says who?

60.7% of the US electorate voted in the presidential election in 2004, with around 60% of the electorate voting for either a Democrat or a Republican. That suggests that a majority of voters feel able to vote for one of the main parties. You could even say that the general leaning in each state is that the main parties are satisfactory.

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Its like watching 5 players walk out onto a football pitch for each team. I nudge you and ask why there are only 5 players each and you say, oh well it doesn't matter the absent 6 players aren't affecting the game. I say that they could play if they wanted to and you ignore me and get into a detailed analysis of 5 aside football.
I've already said that these voters do affect individual elections. However, it doesn't alter the tendancy of a state towards the Democrats or the Republicans, because it's generally the same people each time who don't turn out to vote. It's like having a league where there are supposed to be (to follow your wonderful example) 11 players on each team, but only 5 ever play. If this always remains the case, then there's little point analysing the missing 6 players because everyone is playing 5-a-side football.
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'On [the robot's] world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people.'

'Odd,' said Arthur, 'I thought you said it was a democracy?'

'I did,' said Ford, 'It is.'

'So,' said Arthur, hoping he wasn�t sounding ridiculously obtuse, 'why don't the people get rid of the lizards?'

'It honestly doesn't occur to them,' said Ford. 'They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want.'

'You mean they actually vote for the lizards?'

'Oh yes,' said Ford with a shrug, 'of course.'

'But,' said Arthur, going for the big one again, 'why?'

'Because if they didn't vote for a lizard,' said Ford, 'the wrong lizard might get in.'
Isn't that the one where the pigs ride in on horseback, kill the lizards and set the people free, only for the horses to kill the pigs and set up a rutherless dictatorship?
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60.7% of the US electorate voted in the presidential election in 2004, with around 60% of the electorate voting for either a Democrat or a Republican.
The 2004 election was something of an anamoly (presumably because of the perceived closeness and the extraordinary efforts of various groups to try and get people out to vote even if they disliked both parties (e.g. Punkvoter.com)). Even then, your 60.7% is a little high I think. The Federal Election Commission puts it at 56.7% of the voter age population (http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2004/tables.xls). I've seen the 60% figure previously, but I think that's of eligible voters, not of voter aged adults.
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Well, it doesn't "suggest" that, it demonstrates they are able to vote for them. But does that mean anything?

If offered a choice on whether I would like my hand or my foot cut off, I would probably offer an opinion, but I think it's wrong to assume that I'm necessarily satisfied with the range of choices on offer. Yes, people could set up alternate parties (and many do) but there are enormous barriers to entry and it's not clear whether those who dissatisfied with the Democrats/Republicans have any faith in the system generally anyway.
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Why? He's from Chicago, not the South. Or are you saying this on the basis of his military background?
He grew up in Arkansas.


Kerry and Gore didn't lose 'because of Ohio' or 'because of Florida'. Surely those states are where the closest vote counts were recorded, but they lost because of their campaigns, their strategies, their platforms, and their ability to brand themselves as effective, charismatic leaders.

You have to target battleground states, yes, but losing those battleground states becomes less crucial, ideally even irrelevant, should a candidate take a state or two that their party is not traditionally picked to capture.

Should a Democratic nominee, for example, win the Carolinas, the focus on Florida is lessened. Should the Republican take Pennsylvania, the need to win Ohio is diminished. A great way to do this is to field a nominee from a battleground state or a state thats not traditionally in the party's camp. I.E. Romney from Massachusetts, Bill Richardson from Arizona, etc.

So I guess I'd revise my statement. Democratic candidates need to be either from the South or from Ohio. Get a leg up on the electoral college. But, considering the caliber of Florida Democrats...meh.
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Out of interest, is there any rational reason why the American right hate Hilary Clinton so passionately? I mean, I know she's a woman and obviously linked to Bill, but the bile seems to be off the scale and totally disproportionate to her actions. Did she set fire to a load of bibles covered in flags while battering puppies with George Washington's remains or something?
There are countless reasons to hate Hilary Clinton so I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean why they hate her more than other similar people?

Also while the American voting system is a sham, it shouldnt be forgotten that their third parties (eg Libertarian/Greens) are far stronger than any non-mainstream UK parties. American voters have a wider range of credible options available to them than UK voters do - the UK political spectrum is absurdly narrow. Obviously in both countries it will be centreist/populist parties that win in the end though.

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Out of interest, is there any rational reason why the American right hate Hilary Clinton so passionately? I mean, I know she's a woman and obviously linked to Bill, but the bile seems to be off the scale and totally disproportionate to her actions. Did she set fire to a load of bibles covered in flags while battering puppies with George Washington's remains or something?
There's at least two camps of anti-Hillary sentiment. One is obviously the GOP, which, as you said, draws most of its animosity from the hatred of her husband that still gurgles through their veins. The right consistently tries to link the name 'Clinton' with fiscal irresponsibility, moral filth, you know...smear tactics.

The other is the progressive segment of the Democratic Party, and to a lesser extent, the greens, of which I consider myself a member. Hillary has a much more liberal reputation than she deserves, where she has a pro-war record to defend, not much of an environmental record to speak of, and a generally wussy stance on everything else.

Only the crazy evangelists stuck in the '50s hate her because she's got boobs, the rest don't think she's a very effective politician.
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He grew up in Arkansas.
Fair enough - I said he was from Chicago with a quick reference to his Wikipedia article saying that that was where he was born - I didn't read down and see that he moved to Arkansas when he was 4. Apologies for that.


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Kerry and Gore didn't lose 'because of Ohio' or 'because of Florida'. Surely those states are where the closest vote counts were recorded, but they lost because of their campaigns, their strategies, their platforms, and their ability to brand themselves as effective, charismatic leaders.
I'm not convinced about that. At the end of the day, the electorate's vote count towards the Electoral College - they aren't directly assigned to the candidate. If you take enough states to give you a majority in the Electoral College, then you win - even if you only take 10 states out of 50.

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You have to target battleground states, yes, but losing those battleground states becomes less crucial, ideally even irrelevant, should a candidate take a state or two that their party is not traditionally picked to capture.
There's little point targetting a state that has few electoral votes and naturally falls with the other party, e.g. Alabama and Maine. The resources that you would need to put into taking them wouldn't be a particularly efficient use of the candidate's money. The battleground states are titled as such because they represent a decent number of Electoral College votes and are within a 5-10% swing to the party that didn't take the state last time. Ohio and Florida are the obvious examples, but the entire Mid-West must surely be included in this too (Iowa, Indiana, etc).

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Should a Democratic nominee, for example, win the Carolinas, the focus on Florida is lessened. Should the Republican take Pennsylvania, the need to win Ohio is diminished. A great way to do this is to field a nominee from a battleground state or a state thats not traditionally in the party's camp. I.E. Romney from Massachusetts, Bill Richardson from Arizona, etc.
Then again, the candidate still has to get enough votes from the rest of the states to triumph in the Electoral College. Jimmy Carter might have been from Georgia, which he took, but it didn't stop Reagan taking the states overall 46-4.

Regarding the Carolinas, I'd say that if a Democrat is able to take them then they'll probably take Florida as well. In the last two Presidential elections (including the last one, where Edwards was from South Carolina), it was closer in Florida than either of the Carolinas.

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So I guess I'd revise my statement. Democratic candidates need to be either from the South or from Ohio. Get a leg up on the electoral college. But, considering the caliber of Florida Democrats...meh.
Or be like Kennedy, who revitalised the nation and whose election heralded a new era in America. Which Obama can do. Besides, he's from Illinois which is relatively close to Ohio, if that counts for anything. The most important thing in my eyes is that he's not from the North-East, because it's just too far away from much of the country.
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The 2004 election was something of an anamoly (presumably because of the perceived closeness and the extraordinary efforts of various groups to try and get people out to vote even if they disliked both parties (e.g. Punkvoter.com)). Even then, your 60.7% is a little high I think. The Federal Election Commission puts it at 56.7% of the voter age population (http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2004/tables.xls). I've seen the 60% figure previously, but I think that's of eligible voters, not of voter aged adults.
Well, it doesn't "suggest" that, it demonstrates they are able to vote for them. But does that mean anything?
I took the 60.7% from a Washington Post article on the subject, which upon further analysis was indeed of eligible voters. I'll accept your 56.7% figure, which is of course still a majority.

The increased efforts to promote voter turnout are a symbol of the increased partianship and the desperation of each party to stop the other party from getting into office. I doubt that this is going to end any time soon.

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If offered a choice on whether I would like my hand or my foot cut off, I would probably offer an opinion, but I think it's wrong to assume that I'm necessarily satisfied with the range of choices on offer. Yes, people could set up alternate parties (and many do) but there are enormous barriers to entry and it's not clear whether those who dissatisfied with the Democrats/Republicans have any faith in the system generally anyway.
That's why I didn't say that the system is satisfactory - the number of spoiled ballot papers is almost evidence enough. It's impossible to provide possible political representiation for the entire electorate when there are only two main parties. However, I'm not sure how much this affects which party each state leans towards, which is (I think) the topic of discussion.
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Or be like Kennedy, who revitalised the nation and whose election heralded a new era in America. Which Obama can do. Besides, he's from Illinois which is relatively close to Ohio, if that counts for anything. The most important thing in my eyes is that he's not from the North-East, because it's just too far away from much of the country.
Like Kennedy.
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obama cannot win. he is far too easy for the republicans to smear
1) his name is barack hussein obama
2) he's black
3) his dad was muslim
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obama cannot win. he is far too easy for the republicans to smear
1) his name is barack hussein obama
2) he's black
3) his dad was muslim
Because all republicans are racist, very good.
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they dont all have to be racist, just a vocal minority.
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Because all republicans are racist, very good.
they don't have to be Republicans.
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Because all republicans are racist, very good.
good reasoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll

Perhaps the most famous alleged use of push polls is in the 2000 United States Republican Party primaries, when it was alleged that George W. Bush's campaign used push polling to torpedo the campaign of Senator John McCain. Voters in South Carolina reportedly were asked "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?", an allegation that had no substance, but planted the idea of undisclosed allegations in the minds of thousands of primary voters[1]. McCain and his wife had in fact adopted a Bangladeshi girl.

is it really so hard to imagine republicans doing the same if they were up against obama? i think not.
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There are countless reasons to hate Hilary Clinton so I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean why they hate her more than other similar people?
Yeah, I suppose I do.

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Well, yes and no. At the presidential level in 2004 the Libertarians and Greens got 400k and 120k votes respectively (about 0.42% of the vote between them). The Greens in this country got about 1% (257k) of the votes and the BNP got 0.7% (192k) in 2005. Arguably they're a lot closer to the mainstream parties than the Greens/Libs in America, but meh.

Point is once you add them up, plus the plethora of loony left groups (one of whom one a seat) smaller parties got a larger share of the national vote in this country than in the US even if we exclude the "regional parties" (which includes, of course, political parties explicitly linked to terrorist groups). That's only the last election obviously, the one before was Nader (who did relatively well in a one off campaign using his own relatively high profile) and before that was Perot who spent a hell of a lot of his own money iirc.

On a local level, you're right. But that's more about local politics in America being vastly more important than in this country (which has got to be one of the most centralised in the world). You're always more likely to get some sort of break through at a local level and there's much more scope for that in America. I remember reading there's something like 800,000 elected positions in America - obviously a lot of those are within the grasp of a budding libertarian even if it's just local judge or whatever it is these people vote on.

But it's not all one way, the American media seems even more conformist than our own (but in a different way) and you do seem to need millions of dollars to run for Senate, let alone the Presidency.

p.s. I'd like to meet the main-party supported white candidate who could lose to a black candidate in a Presidential election.
p.p.s. Unless we're talking about in thirty years when demographics have changed or something.
p.p.p.s. And even then I doubt most Latino's would vote for a black guy either.
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obama cannot win. he is far too easy for the republicans to smear
1) his name is barack hussein obama
2) he's black
3) his dad was muslim
4) He admittadly inhaled marijuana, and did cocaine...according to his Autobiography he published in 1995.
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2) He's half black...wiki quote..."That my father looked nothing like the people around me –- that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk –- barely registered in my mind."
3) He even went to Muslim school. But where's the point in this one, stereotyping him to where he can't run for president because of Muslim background has nothing to do with his political career. Also, Wiki puts his Religion as United Church of Christ, which is a protestant denomination. Half the voters will probably never look up his muslim background, just read that he's currently attending a protestant church.

He also got a lot of attention in January by going to Kenya, where his father was from, and I believe but I can't find a story about it, he went to visit his grandmother in her little hut in some small village, which gives him humanitarion and humility points, but it also could've just been a media stunt to get him more recognition...
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On a side note, I just am happy that Arnold Schwarzenegger, despite his attempts to want to change the laws, will not be running for President. Bush may not always be the most afluent speaker, but at least you can understand what he's saying a majority of the time.
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4) He admittadly inhaled marijuana, and did cocaine...according to his Autobiography he published in 1995.
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2) He's half black...wiki quote..."That my father looked nothing like the people around me –- that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk –- barely registered in my mind."
3) He even went to Muslim school. But where's the point in this one, stereotyping him to where he can't run for president because of Muslim background has nothing to do with his political career. Also, Wiki puts his Religion as United Church of Christ, which is a protestant denomination. Half the voters will probably never look up his muslim background, just read that he's currently attending a protestant church.

He also got a lot of attention in January by going to Kenya, where his father was from, and I believe but I can't find a story about it, he went to visit his grandmother in her little hut in some small village, which gives him humanitarion and humility points, but it also could've just been a media stunt to get him more recognition...
i think you missed what i was getting at. the three points i raised are three points the republicans are going to use to smear obama, and in doing so will make sure he wont be elected president.
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