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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 04:20   #1
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I've never been a tryer

I don't know why. Or at least I'm not sure sure. It's probably my inate laziness combined with an overuse of alcohol, cannabis and other recreational drugs. But I think I'll make the effort just this once, on a whim, to make a point I think needs expressing.

I've made a handful of quick posts recently in a few snatched minutes at various internet cafes throughout my home town. Nothing serious or noteworthy to be sure. I popped in to one this evening after a night's socialising to do so again when I noticed a little message in my User CP.

your posts have been bad since you returned. try harder.

No signature of course, that would require some form of internet courage that I know to be lacking by many here. I understand, it is so hard to be brave on the internet. Nonetheless I turned my thoughts inward and reflected deeply on my shortcomings. The thread to which the comment refered was the one discussing the anal inclinations of Valle's sister. Now, while my posts there had admittedly been short, flippant and, dare I say it, just a little shit it was hardly a thread to push forward the boundaries of intellectual debate in any case.

Infact (and here comes the point I wished to make) during my two month absence from these boards there has been a very noticable decline in both thread count and quality. And with useless, shit comments like the one I received it really isn't very surprising. Why would anyone try at all, much less harder, to post on here when the only likely result is a note from the poisoned keyboard of someone so retarded that they seem actually afraid to sign their name?

ON THE INTERNET.

Anyway, my point now made I shall retire to bed, safe in the knowledge that I'm really not missing much. Which is a shame, there used to be quite a few decent threads on here. More than now at least. And here I thought that JJ was sorting all that anonymous bullshit out. Shame on you sir, for failing.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 04:47   #2
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Re: I've never been a tryer

So you made some shit posts and got neg repped for it. Oh the humanity!!!!!


And yes, there do seem to be fewer threads recently. Oh well
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 05:37   #3
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Re: I've never been a tryer

It's not the neg rep, at all. It's the ambiance of these forums. It's one of negativity and bitterness. I don't really care about my internet points, if I did I would never have taken a 2 month break. I didn't from many other sites I post on/frequent. That should say something.

And if the lack of threads is a sad thing in your opinion (as it is in mine) then you should speak up and say why you think that is the case. Which is simply what I was trying to do. The reality is that effort is not rewarded on here as it is in other places. Infact the opposite is frequently true, hence the desertion of the many because of the shitness of the few.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 11:56   #4
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Re: I've never been a tryer

It is sad when I now come onto GD and there is one thread with posts in it after 24 hours of being away.

I'm almost thinking of changing my homepage away from it!
(except I wouldn't want other people using my computer to arrive at PB...)

EDIT oh heh - I got a neg rep saying "post comment not articles" in the litvinenko thread. I wonder why people are leaving
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 12:01   #5
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Re: I've never been a tryer

I've tried to contribute a few times, but most often if I do an effort it doesn't get noted, and some times when I do, it gets negrepped for the most silly reasons.

There haven't really been many threads worth posting in recently, and I'm not going to make any effort by writing one when I'm pretty sure I'll just get a negative response anyway.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 12:44   #6
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Re: I've never been a tryer

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That sounds like a Yahwe comment to me.

I was about to post that.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 12:54   #7
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Re: I've never been a tryer

I hate you all why won't you all just lie down and die in my path so I have a comfortable carpet of bodies to walk on
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 12:57   #8
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Oh Jonny you should go out and turn back all the old funny posters who got fed up of Yahwe and his disciples
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Re: I've never been a tryer

I got

desperate attempt to keep shit thread alive x 2. You should think about moving to PB. Yahwe.

That one you have Achilles, is almost definitely from Yahwe. Ignore it.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 14:04   #11
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Re: I've never been a tryer

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Oh Jonny you should go out and turn back all the old funny posters who got fed up of Yahwe and his disciples
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 14:33   #12
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Re: I've never been a tryer

i'm pretty sure it's just Yahwe and Nodrog being shit nowadays...
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Re: I've never been a tryer

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I like Nod's and Yahwe's posts but I think Yahwe's use of the rep system whilst possibly well intentioned is misguided. However if people aren't big enough to ignore some random rep then that is sad too.
There's a certain level of maturity required to accept the not-so-random neg rep that people around here like to give. However, as much as we'd like everyone to accept it, it does create an aura of dislike and criticism in the community. I complained about this issue a few months/years ago, and it still prevails. Anything anyone posts is going to be neg repped, criticized and bashed to the ground with something as heavy as idi.

and much of it is thanks to Yahwe.
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Unread 1 Dec 2006, 16:23   #14
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Yahwe is immensely shit when it comes to repping tbh.
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It's not the neg rep, at all. It's the ambiance of these forums. It's one of negativity and bitterness.
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A few days after registering on these forums I got a neg rep with "Go away." as the comment. Although I did receive a PM from someone apologising for incorrectly giving me negative reputation.

These forums do seem to be a mecca of negativity. There must be a correlation between people who choose to play web-based space games and people consumed by bitterness.
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Most people on here don't play PA.
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Re: I've never been a tryer

most people here don't play PA.

actually, I don't know if that's true any more
maybe that is the problem...


EDIT wow jakiri great minds eh
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Well I think that its silly to suggest that Yahwe could have that much impact.
He's probably one of the heaviest users of the rep system, and he always attaches a yahwe comment (regulars will know what I mean). You can always spot a Yahwe rep.


Of course, you can just ignore him - although for casual posters his rep altering power is no doubt very frustrating.
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seriously though your post isn't at all helpfull.
I know. But the point is that if for some reason you do actually care about your "score" on this stupid system then the single easiest way to improve it isn't to whine about it it's to actually make some good posts.

Invariably when I see a thread complaining about the injustices of GD, I struggle to remember a single decent contribution from that person. Perhaps that's just a coincidence though.
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I wouldn't worry too much, the entire system is rather silly. I only average 37% +reps, and of those most are to do with my utter depravity, getting erections at the thought of a cummy pregnant britney spears*, rr shagging a mother&daughter, sperm as a face mask etc. Any serious points i make are usually neg repped, i still make them because rep doesn't actually mean much.





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Invariably when I see a thread complaining about the injustices of GD, I struggle to remember a single decent contribution from that person. Perhaps that's just a coincidence though.
It could have something to do with people wandering off once they get slaughtered for even trying to post on here.

Oh no wait, that can't be it, that's just part of this natural GD-environment you seem to adore.

I would neg-rep you for the post you made before this one, cause I feel it was genuinely shit. However, most posts I see of you I quite like, so I guess I won't.

The lesson for most newcomers is easy. If you want decent rep - stay the hell away from GD, unless you were here when it got forged in flames with Yahwe chanting an evil spell while his minions followed the ritual steps.
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I came back here today fully expecting to have to defend my position against a barrage of criticism. Fortunately horn took on the mantle of advocate in my absence and I agree with every post he made. Nonetheless there is one thing I believe he left explicitly unsaid.

Why do we come here? Why do we post? Is it not to exchange ideas with people who share diverse viewpoints on a broad range of subjects? To fight the good fight and defend the ideals we each, individually have. To argue our case even though we may be shouted down.

I certainly don't believe we come here to have our ideas sniped at by craven fools without even the decency to identify themselves. Where is the debate in that? Where is the fun of the argument? The challenge of having to out think your foe?

It isn't there. And when it isn't there this place is quite simply no fun and people will no longer come here. I'm not just making that one up. The evidence is all so painfully apparent.
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i didn't join back then.

the problem with most new posters is that they are infact fairly shit. (hardly suprising given that most people are infact very shit)

it really isn't at all hard to be "accepted". just speak the truth. you're only going to look like a complete wanker when you try to gain "respect" by acting the big man or trying to look like you have a PHD in a subject that you clearly don't.

not everyone who posts on GD is a minion of yahwe. infact half the forums migrated just to get away from him. he's not gd's best poster despite what jbg says and unless he grows up he'll never get close. just speak your mind, don't be afraid to learn, take criticism for what it is and deconstruct your own ego (or someone will do it for you)
it can be a truely cathartic experience.
I'm well aware of what happened with the Plastic Brilliance thing, yes. I'm not that keen on getting "accepted" either, seeing how most of the light-hearted and (in my opinion) fun posters left due to the way they were being treated.

I'm probably just reading stuff into things that isn't really there though. Some shit people are here, have been here for a long time, and will probably stay here for a very long time aswell. I consider them to be GD-Furniture. I'm just expressing my opinion though, half the forum leaving wasn't enough reason for people to change, so I'm not campaigning in the illusion some guy who just posts here occasionally (like me) could make people realise.
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also gd is practically dead now so it might not be worth bothering lolz!
It's only going to get worse when the cold snap kills off all the oldies.
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Why do we come here? Why do we post? Is it not to exchange ideas with people who share diverse viewpoints on a broad range of subjects? To fight the good fight and defend the ideals we each, individually have. To argue our case even though we may be shouted down.
Wait, this isn't the anti-semitic, pro-paedo forums?
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This reminds me of the time I defeated level 29 of the internet. And to a lesser extent when I defeated level 33.
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I certainly don't believe we come here to have our ideas sniped at by craven fools without even the decency to identify themselves. Where is the debate in that? Where is the fun of the argument?
I don't know about argument, but I just laughed at the phrase "craven fools" so I've got my money's worth for today. Would a :cravenfool: emoticon be feasible?
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I don't know about argument, but I just laughed at the phrase "craven fools" so I've got my money's worth for today. Would a :cravenfool: emoticon be feasible?
This is more of a level 16 post which frankly surprises me because I'd always had you down as an odd sort of fellow.
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this sounds like the kind of attitude that leads to success in this society (and i imagine many others) like someone paralysed after a car crash who just gets on with it. i don't share that attitude and that is why i do infact care about things whether or not there is little i can do about them.
Now, I would understand the comparison if the only result of being paralysed in a car crash was just that, at some point in your history, you had been paralysed in a car crash. Obviously it isn't.

You can just ignore rep, it doesn't mean anything.
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eh?
I think it's easy enough to understand. You're comparing a serious life-changing injury with having a red (or grey) blob next to a piece of text on a part of the forum that you don't even have to visit to get the rest of the functionality of it.

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people neg repping you does mean something. it means someone wants you to either/or; lessen your rep power, make you feel unwanted, get a visit from dr.paranoia, make it known they dislike you/your post(s). (there are others but these will do for now)
And this is important, why? It means something because you choose to make it mean something. You're the one who assigns these horrific meanings to it, and I don't see why someone letting you know that they dislike your post(s) is a bad thing - it's what the reputation system is for.

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i'd also like to point out that those taking the position of "it doesn't matter", are not giving a reason for why we should do away with anonymous neg rep. you're just giving a reason for why we shouldn't ask you to code it.
I gave my reasons for it at the time. They're almost certainly still in the forum database, I don't really feel the need to make them again as they won't have changed.
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I fear this thread has become trapped in the horn-Jakiri vortex and is now redundant.

Please evacuate in a calm yet speedy manner.
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I gave my reasons for it at the time. They're almost certainly still in the forum database, I don't really feel the need to make them again as they won't have changed.
Is that because your predictions about how rep would improve the forums have all come true or is it because it's still too early to tell?

Or is it that your reasons were independent of any actual effects?
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I think it's mainly because it's been discussed quite frequently and all the arguments (on either "side") have been repeated about every month for the last year. There's really no reason to dredge them all up again here.
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GD has been in a long, slow, terminal decline (in terms of activity) for years now. People inevitably leave message boards after a while, and there hasn't been enough new people coming in to replace them, partly because of the decline of PA itself, party due to the elitism of regulars here. I'm not saying the elitism/negativity is a bad thing - without it this place would probably be a lot more active but full of shit, like most of the internet. So I'm all for negativity when it's directed towards shit posting, though some people like Yahwe go too far.

Oh, and before someone says "people have been saying GD was dead/dying for ages ", that's definitely true, I think I said it myself about 3 years ago (wrongly of course), but I think most people would agree that GD is now, finally, dead. Though now that I've said that, it's probably guaranteed at least another 3 years.
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People can stick by their arguments to support the rep system, they might even be valid in some sense. Still it doesn't take a genius to see people are getting driven away from here as a result of a more negative atmosphere that's being fueled by the reputation system in combination with a couple of twats.

It doesn't fit a purpose to care about negative rep, but obviously a lot of people do. Half of the oldies have been gone because of being fed up of people who take the internet far too seriously, seriously in a warfield kind of way I'm talking about and newcomers get intimidated by very picky gd veterans and their enormous green staff.

We can fill this thread discussing why people shouldn't care about reputation but it will not prevent this board dying out while it might've had some more years to go otherwise.
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Re: I've never been a tryer

Before you know it, there'll be a college somewhere in the States offering a degree course in 'Internet Discussion Boards: The Rise and Fall of PAGD'

Then we can have a room full of students shouting at each other about how shit the others are and how great this side of the room is compared with the other, while a group of 'apparent' tutors stand on the sidelines, drinking beer, pointing at different people and laughing.
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Is that because your predictions about how rep would improve the forums have all come true or is it because it's still too early to tell?

Or is it that your reasons were independent of any actual effects?
To give a wishy washy answer, "Because I don't feel that the success of the rep system can really be measured". Independent of any actual effects, to give a better one.

I don't feel the rep system we have at the moment is any distance close to being anything than a failure (on GD at least), but that the anonymous aspect of the proceedings aren't really relevent, or at least would be present in an ideal system.

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I fear this thread has become trapped in the horn-Jakiri vortex and is now redundant.

Please evacuate in a calm yet speedy manner.
Don't worry, I'm not replying to him again.
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Still it doesn't take a genius to see people are getting driven away from here as a result of a more negative atmosphere that's being fueled by the reputation system in combination with a couple of twats.
Maybe, although a lot of that could have been dealt with sometime ago by moderator/admin intervention.

Although, having said that I use the reputation system to insult people all the time, but never on someone who hasn't been here for a while.

More generally though, I don't think you could really have avoided the underlying problem we've developed. The new users (with some notable exceptions) who have arrived within the last year or so just don't really gel with the existing forum atmosphere which has developed (for better or worse). You can't put that down to individual users or the rep system generally.

The newer users tend to be younger, use more AOLisms (or type worse), like linking to more videos and tend to be more emotional and less cynical. And so they do things that what remains of the "hardcore" GDers wouldn't tend to do. Like that guy who posted his science fiction short-story recently. I've got a lot of respect for people who are willing to put their creative products online for strangers to comment on (and to be fair, he wasn't that savaged) but anyone whose been here for a while can see that isn't really the sort of thing that we "do" (yeah, I know there are precedents, but I'm talking generally).

Similarly with people who post threads which are just links to videos (with nothing else). You better make sure the video is damn funny otherwise you will get neg repped, insulted, people saying "old" and so on. Yet that sort of thing is the lifeblood of other forums.

I don't really know what my point was (as usual) but basically we're a bunch of cantakerous old bastards, and as such we're unlikely to attract a lot of new users. Unless it's other cantakerous old bastards who happen to randomly find our forum out there on the internet (lo DDA!).

Oh yeah and I agree with Nondescript Human. If you did a graph of GD activity over the last six years, I'm not convinced that the introduction of rep would be anything more than a blip in the general downward trend.

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Re: I've never been a tryer

I got the following rep from somebody after using your rather than you're:

"you're"

I have since began saying "you are" but typing "you're".

Its really improved my work and internet life. I thank whoever game me that rep every time I remind myself of the grammatical rules regarding the apostrophe.

(any error in this post deserves neg rep)
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Re: I've never been a tryer

I’m going to add a bit to that post because I understand GD’s decline is actually quite a big deal. As a (relatively) new poster arriving at GD is quite daunting. People are quick to get personal, and there’s smart, informed people posting on here. It is frustrating when you click that post button and moments later a reply come mocking the grammar used or your lack of research before hand.

That said, what is rep really? Its not something you can brag about nor something with much use. The only “use” I can see is that it gives the established posters a chance to guide the tone of the board by either removing new posters (“scaring them off with neg rep”) or as a rating of what you can expect to come from the poster,

I’d say if Yahwe did give the rep, and in his opinion the direction the board should be heading is rare, quality posts then its fair enough. He has that “rep power” because he’s written posts you’ve enjoyed and the mods (could have been a vote for all I know) decided the board could benefit from a rep system.

I think too many GD posters expect to be welcomed with open arms regardless of their posts quality. Its not going to happen here.
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not everyone who posts on GD is a minion of yahwe. infact half the forums migrated just to get away from him. he's not gd's best poster despite what jbg says and unless he grows up he'll never get close.
I don't think yahwe's the best poster on GD. That accolade would probably have to go to T&F.



Anyways things everywhere always decline. However in the spirit of christmas I'm going to let horn, dante and the next poster to post after this post to make one suggestion (and it can't be "ban so and so") for improving the forums.











Edit: sorry misspelt yahwe as so and so
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Well I just sent a PM to JJ asking for a database dump of every post I've ever made so you could help me with that!

(That won't make the forums any better though)

Failing that, enable embedded images for the Xmas period. But only if you can opt out*. It won't actually improve anything, it'll just keep people's minds off the grim inevitability of death. I actually hate embedded images, but lots of people seem to like them as an option.

(And I was serious though with the earlier SQL comment - there's probably loads of factoids one could produce about the 400k+ posts that are in the db. For those of us without personalities that sort of thing is really interesting.)

Or we could all just give up and close up shop.

* = As in, not see them. And no, "turning images off in your browser" or "closing your eyes" doesn't count as ability to not see them - I'm thinking more how like avatars or sigs can be turned off by users. It should probably be opt-in in-fact. Either way, I don't need my employers to think I'm weirder than they already do thanks to some idiot posting 16,000 x 12,000 pixel images of geeks on hooks or floppy haired barristers or whatever it is you people do on your weekends.
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Failing that, enable embedded images for the Xmas period. But only if you can opt out*.

* = As in, not see them. And no, "turning images off in your browser" or "closing your eyes" doesn't count as ability to not see them - I'm thinking more how like avatars or sigs can be turned off by users. It should probably be opt-in in-fact.
If you look in User CP > Options > Thread Display Options > Visible Post Elements, you'll see the tickbox to enable/disable images alongside those for avatars and sigs.

It is on by default though so those not wishing to view them would have to opt-out.
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Modship isn't a reward for good posting, you know. Otherwise I wouldn't have been one lolol
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2: deadmeat and MM to have their mod status revoked until they start posting more (DM has recently upped his post count abit, but not really enough to justify being a mod). the only half decent reason i can see for having mods in the first place** is to remove advertising URL's. to do this properly you need to be active.
a) I already resigned, but I'm just too valuable and since I'm listed as 'essential personnel' on the Jolt PA stock market list, JJ wouldn't let me go.
b) MM's a mod?
c) I may not post, but who says I'm not active? You?
d) If Dace posted more, I'd post more, as mocking Dace is not only good fun, it's good for the forums and good for me.
e) MM's a mod?
f) MrL being a mod killed GD, in the same way as red algae blooms smother the life out of otherwise healthy areas of water.
g) U R RONG.
h) It's Dead_Meat you half-witted mong.
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