[RUGBY]Ireland 19 - England 13

[TheShadowMan]

Deja vu or what :-)

Same as last year.

I think english rugby skills are slipping. It was an ok game to watch. i think both sides played well but the winners show better determination.

Ireland will now have to beat wales to win. :-)

Go on the irish!!

:-)

[MrL_JaKiri]

English rugby skills are not slipping. We just lost our best players (one way or another) and have a coach who doesn't appear to have the ability to get the most out of his team.

Of course, that's all immaterial because Ireland only won because of the referee had a terrible game. If you can only narrowly beat an england side going on their worst run in quite some time, then you really have nothing to cheer about.

[TheShadowMan]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

English rugby skills are not slipping. We just lost our best players (one way or another) and have a coach who doesn't appear to have the ability to get the most out of his team.

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

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Eloquent.

[KaneED]

The English rugby teams ability to get the ball out of the ruck quickly, and generally their inability to get fast ball is what is holding England back.

If you look at the way France in the first half of the Wales game, Ireland and Wales are moving the ball out of the ruck and back into play, then you see where England are losing out.

Steve Thompson is shit at lineouts too and our scrum was weak about the Irish pack yesterday, when we should have been shunting them, not them us *sigh*

We have the quality in the team, but our game is so slow we just can't do anything and it is infuriating.

[roadrunner_0]

i draw your attention to this thread:

http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=183684

where even jonny admits that the level of refereeing was bloody terrible

the amount of wrong decisions in the match beggared belief

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by KaneED

The English rugby teams ability to get the ball out of the ruck quickly, and generally their inability to get fast ball is what is holding England back.

the fact that there were consistently irish hands in the ruck keeping the ball in illegally had nothing to do with it of course, even when it was happening in front of the ref and he stil called it the wrong way

[KaneED]

i forget they were doing that, but even wehn there wasn't interference by irish hands england were still slow when it should have been out and moving

[roadrunner_0]

true, the fact remains that the ref should be shot though

i won't say that we should have won though, as who knows what would have happened if we hadn't got that first try, which should have been disallowed, but that did seem to be the one decision that went our way all afternoon

bah, i have said enough on this subject i think, going to stop posting in these threads now before i look like i'm starting to rant

[KaneED]

its ok, its the silly southern hemisphere referees' fault

[TheShadowMan]

nope its the fact you got beaten by a better team.

Blaming the ref is just stupid, your crap

tsm

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

nope its the fact you got beaten by a better team.

I would attempt to argue this point with you, but you're an idiot and everyone knows you're an idiot, so there's really no point.

A GD first, I don't argue with someone!

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

nope its the fact you got beaten by a better team.

Blaming the ref is just stupid, your crap

tsm

this isnt even worth arguing against, i will just point you back to my thread where even jonny admits the ref was utter, utter shit
if you don't think that that ref was shit, you don't know the rules of rugby

[midge5]

England definatly seemed to be a bit hard done by. The refereeing quality inthe entire tournament seems to have been quite poor really. Though iit helps set up a much more interesting finale now, assuming neither Wales nor Ireland mess up in 2 weeks.

[JonnyBGood]

Ireland played pretty poorly and still managed to scrape the win so I'm fairly pleased. I'd still say we were the better team though. If your backline gets that much ball and the only try you scored can best be described as random you're not exactly worldbeaters.

[TheShadowMan]

Originally Posted by roadrunner_0

this isnt even worth arguing against, i will just point you back to my thread where even jonny admits the ref was utter, utter shit
if you don't think that that ref was shit, you don't know the rules of rugby

hehehehe your funny really, I obviously know the rules as does the ref who reffed the match.

None of the decisions were poor, the foillowed the strict rules and regs of the little book of rugby rules

Saying I dont know the rules is bullshit. Rugby is a strong sport in my family. Two of my uncles have played for Ireland, I have two cousins on the Leinster squad.

I nearly made the leinster squad but got injured. I did physio for 12 months to be able to sit properly.

I played as hooker and know all the tricks. Unfortunately I got mangled in a ruck, whick fcuked my back up.

Just because JBG said the ref made bad decisions this doesn't mean its definitive.

tsm

[TheShadowMan]

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri

I would attempt to argue this point with you, but you're an idiot and everyone knows you're an idiot, so there's really no point.

A GD first, I don't argue with someone!

no leg to stand on, you idiot

[MrL_JaKiri]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

no leg to stand on, you idiot

But I've got two legs

[TheShadowMan]

ok kudos for being funny :-)

[roadrunner_0]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

hehehehe your funny really, I obviously know the rules as does the ref who reffed the match.

None of the decisions were poor, the foillowed the strict rules and regs of the little book of rugby rules

Saying I dont know the rules is bullshit. Rugby is a strong sport in my family. Two of my uncles have played for Ireland, I have two cousins on the Leinster squad.

I nearly made the leinster squad but got injured. I did physio for 12 months to be able to sit properly.

I played as hooker and know all the tricks. Unfortunately I got mangled in a ruck, whick fcuked my back up.

Just because JBG said the ref made bad decisions this doesn't mean its definitive.

tsm

WHAT? so, those irish hands in the ruck illegally that i was talking about earlier, you didn't see them right.
and the second disallowed try, where england were over the line and according to that little book of rules you were on about it should either have been a try of a scrum with and england put in, instead ireland got the put in, how not even the commentators knew!

i think that me and you must have been watching different games, either that or you were off your face on something at the time, as you posts seem to have very little basis in reality

[Deffeh]

Rugby infuriates me. Sometimes its actually genuinly entertaining, but even more so than football, it seems to be down to the referees descretion who wins. Scotland italy for example, even the commentators were saying "all scotland need to do is get into the italian half and eventually theyll get a penalty, or the italians will give one away". I mean, what? The entire game was basically just "try hard, gain a few yards, the nice ref will blow the whistle soon enough and we can all have some fun kicking like boring fags". Scotland got 18 points none of which i or most of the fans probably even knew what for, the ref could or couldnt have blown the whistle and no one would have quesitoned the whistle regardless.

Or what about Wales France? Great game, good to watch (and i dislike rugby), but the game ended in wales favour simply because it was down to the refs discretion whether to give a penalty try or not. If he had, no one would have complained that much, he didnt, no one mentions it. Tell me thats not shit.

Is it just that no one who plays rugby knows the rules? The amount of penalties a game is ridiculous. Watching Rugby reminds me of watching NFL Europe - the Claymores and whatever dobber team we were playing, almost every play the officials would chuck down a flag for some inconsistency in the rules on our or their parts - it was embarrassing when you consider how comparitively rare that is in the nfl. In that regard, the future for Rugby is incredibly bright - one day in the future there will be 30 men on the pitch who know how to play without breaking the rules, and one day itll feel less like a game where the winner is at the referees discretion.

[roadrunner_0]

the point is, there is a fourth official in rugby that the ref can refer to, and not once in the match in question did he

[Deffeh]

I understand that, but isnt he only to be used in case of tries, etc? (Before you say, i know its some of the tries that you are contesting, but as to my point about the ridiculous number of penalties in any given game, my point still stands)

[JonnyBGood]

Originally Posted by TheShadowMan

hehehehe your funny really, I obviously know the rules as does the ref who reffed the match.

None of the decisions were poor, the foillowed the strict rules and regs of the little book of rugby rules

The decision not to go upstairs when England appeared to be over the line was quite literally one of the worst decisions made in international rugby. The ref was terrible. Everyone, including the Irish pundits, commented on it.

PS If you don't mind me asking when did you nearly make the Leinster squad, where did you go to school and what's your name?

Also deffeh the reason so many penalties are given away is that a lot of players are told that it's better to give away a penalty than a try. It's professionalism, not ignorance.

[furball]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Also deffeh the reason so many penalties are given away is that a lot of players are told that it's better to give away a penalty than a try. It's professionalism, not ignorance.

Indeed, just read Martin Johnson's (auto?)-biography to see his view on this. At the top level, it's all very cynical - there are so many little tricks which referees may spot, but the home viewer is ignorant of.

[Deffeh]

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood

Also deffeh the reason so many penalties are given away is that a lot of players are told that it's better to give away a penalty than a try. It's professionalism, not ignorance.

I do understand that to a degree, but it just seems a sad state of affairs when the entire game descends into one big bluff/counter bluff, ie "Look, we might end up scoring 5 or 7 points, so heres the deal, let us get 3 and thatll be that" "oh, ok i guess." Its a war, not a negotiating table. Asides the italy try, which was just because for the 2nd time in 3 games we couldnt clear our lines and had a kick charged down, there wasnt a try in the game, ie, the bluff was never called. Watching the game as well you have to doubt whether Scotland OR Italy are actually capable of try scoring, so why give away the easy 3?

[arbondigo]

Originally Posted by Deffeh

I do understand that to a degree, but it just seems a sad state of affairs when the entire game descends into one big bluff/counter bluff, ie "Look, we might end up scoring 5 or 7 points, so heres the deal, let us get 3 and thatll be that" "oh, ok i guess." Its a war, not a negotiating table. Asides the italy try, which was just because for the 2nd time in 3 games we couldnt clear our lines and had a kick charged down, there wasnt a try in the game, ie, the bluff was never called. Watching the game as well you have to doubt whether Scotland OR Italy are actually capable of try scoring, so why give away the easy 3?

In Scotland's case against Italy probably because the Italians were having a nightmare with their goal kicking. You'd rather give 3 points away than a potential 7 if you're deep in your 22 under a lot of pressure. At the end of the day you don't want to come away from the opposition's 22 with no points, you just need to look at O'Gara's drop goals when his forwards managed to fluff up 2 lineouts and hence ending their best chance of a try from the set piece.

As was said earlier at the top level of rugby tries aren't usually easy to come by, penalties you will always get.