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Denial HCs Round 27
Do As I Say Not As I Do!!!!
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22 Jun 2008, 10:55
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
How can anyone decide to exploit a coding loophole instead of reporting it. Im disgusted, so should the Denial members be.
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22 Jun 2008, 11:28
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
"Cheating Denied" 
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22 Jun 2008, 11:36
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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I bet They are in Denial...
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22 Jun 2008, 11:40
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Amusingly if they dont see this as cheating i find it amusing. I hope of course they are not been re-oppend/given a second chance. If you exploit somthing without reporting it its cheating. plain and simple. And if your caught you need to be punished. Dont know of course all the details, all im hearing is rumours and gossip so far. But, if this is true that the HC of Denial have infact abused a loophole and exploited it for their own needs and then that is cheating and should remain closed. End off tbh.
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22 Jun 2008, 11:41
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Or reset... but thats happening allready
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22 Jun 2008, 11:43
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Or reset... but thats happening allready
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I wouldnt even do that tbh. How can a memberbase expect to play fairly if their own HC dont respect those values? I would keep them closed.
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22 Jun 2008, 12:06
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
WIN for denial! smart move!
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22 Jun 2008, 11:42
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
multihunters need to show some balls and delete them they cheated end of
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22 Jun 2008, 12:11
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
I just laughed reading this thread. So. What bug have they abused? As im not on irc i dont know anthing other then what is posted here. Who is closed? lets name and shame them 
But i do agree if they have been closed then they should remain closed.
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22 Jun 2008, 13:00
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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I just laughed reading this thread. So. What bug have they abused? As im not on irc i dont know anthing other then what is posted here. Who is closed? lets name and shame them
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Denial HCs Koks, Reese and eksero used a browser hack to modify the number of factories on prod orders. eksero lost all this res/xp/ships, and as far as I know Koks and Reese are still closed.
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Utter rank incompetance in the coder
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Agreed. The previous eta never bug was also caused by a complete lack of server-side checking.
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22 Jun 2008, 13:07
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Agreed. The previous eta never bug was also caused by a complete lack of server-side checking.
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It sounds like a nasty pattern. I wonder what else isnt checked server-side.
Hint to whoever coded it.
When you recieve a post form for production orders ( or indeed anything ), you dont trust anything that is submitted.
You find out *yourself* from the database for anything that is needed, such as number of factories that the person has.
You check *yourself* from the database that there are enough resources to build the requested ships
You check *yourself* to see if there are enough production slots
You never ever ever accept verbitem anything that is sent from the client, and absolutely never ever ever ever ever assemble an sql string directly from data submitted without doing checks on it or you open yourself up to sql injection attacks if not using prepared statements, which i doubt you are.
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22 Jun 2008, 12:17
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
If they have exploited something ( which is clearly for their own gain ) they should be closed and left closed.
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22 Jun 2008, 12:30
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of players.
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22 Jun 2008, 12:37
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
i too scared to name and shame or comment on whats happen incase i get something wrong and look like an idiot..
all i am willing to say is Denial HCs been bad, very bad,, bug abusers!!!!
but apparantly they not even bug abusing like little bugs they actually
hackz0red the game in some way or another :| html coding blah blah?
some ugly woman with some merry men the ones who got closed tho *apparantly*
this what i hear
but
Denial bug abuse > Ascendancy bug abuse?
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22 Jun 2008, 12:37
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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fair comment, but it coulda happend to you lokken!!! and your little bumbandits allymates!!!
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22 Jun 2008, 12:47
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
So what exactly did they do?
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22 Jun 2008, 12:47
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
reese eskero koks and venox are denial hc so was it just some of them or all of them
when will the denial trolling squad show up to fight there cause
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22 Jun 2008, 12:54
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
venox is still open, so not him. they used greasemonkey to edit their factory counts in orders to zero.
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22 Jun 2008, 12:56
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Utter rank incompetance in the coder
There is no excuse whatsoever for this bug
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22 Jun 2008, 13:00
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Mind-boggling
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
All Denial associates have been banned from talking on AD
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22 Jun 2008, 13:12
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Originally Posted by Phil^
Utter rank incompetance in the coder
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He gets paid too :crymeariver: :crymeariver:
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23 Jun 2008, 09:41
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Originally Posted by Phil^
Utter rank incompetance in the coder
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Especially when I reported it last round (though I admittedly didn't try with zero facs)
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You asked:
There is a bug on the production page when choosing the number of factories from the dropdown at the bottom of the page. It is possible to select values higher than the number of factories you actually own in text-based browsers, which allows people to select an arbitrary number of factories:
http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/i...on/pa-facs.png
You can see from the production time and the factory cost that I was able to select 50 factories (which actually made my production a hell of a lot slower...). This could be exploited either to stall production of ships to stop them coming out of production, or to massively speed up ship production for a large stash near the end of the round.
Our response:
The issue should be fixed now, let me know if it should still exist etc 
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We hope this answered your question and that your problem was resolved. If not, please submit a new request for support and we will help you as soon as we can.
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23 Jun 2008, 10:27
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Originally Posted by Phil^
Utter rank incompetance in the coder
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Completly agree with this, especially since Smokeh reported the bug last round and appearantly it had been "fixed"...
Maybe instead of punishing the Denial HC's + others that exploited a bug in the game that had been reported last round they should slap the coder for not doing his "fixing" properly.
Had he fixed it properly the first time it was reported then they could not have exploited it and there wouldn't have been a community outcry.
The people that are saying that all Denial members should be closed / deleted / banned are bloody idiots.
What eksero, reese & koks did wasn't THAT BAD anyway since there are multiple "legal" ways of making your production last forever, they just took the lazy way of doing this...
btw, doesn't everybody allready know the support team / multihunter team is biased as hell? If they know & like you then you can get away with almost everything (round 17 1up), if they don't like you however then they make rules just for your alliance (support planet rule for eXi, eXi out of tag scanners / cov oppers being closed for targetting 1up too much, Omen not being allowed to do the same things as 1up,...)
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23 Jun 2008, 11:39
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Originally Posted by Veedeejem!
Maybe instead of punishing the Denial HC's + others that exploited a bug in the game that had been reported last round they should slap the coder for not doing his "fixing" properly.
Had he fixed it properly the first time it was reported then they could not have exploited it and there wouldn't have been a community outcry.
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Oh man, that's great. Thanks, you made me laugh.
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23 Jun 2008, 11:42
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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they just took the lazy way of doing this...
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The lazy way of sending defense fleets et cetera is often refered to as VNC. (Now let's cut the bullshit, we all know it's been done since the rock and batman).
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btw, doesn't everybody allready know the support team / multihunter team is biased as hell? If they know & like you then you can get away with almost everything (round 17 1up), if they don't like you however then they make rules just for your alliance (support planet rule for eXi, eXi out of tag scanners / cov oppers being closed for targetting 1up too much, Omen not being allowed to do the same things as 1up,...)
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This is exactly what I was after. I'm sure UltimateNewbie/Assassin will soon reply with a "there was no bias due to rules being difficult to change midround (cough support out of tag eXi planets R15 or whatnot it was) and punishing bla bla yada for next round it's easier yap yap". To stir some more shit, the following round when these eXi out of tag scanners and cov'oppers were being hauled by multihunters, we were nice enough to host a couple of these in the Omen tag for shits and giggles. Ha! (Obviously being in the Omen tag made it perfectly legit for them to toss shit on anyone they felt like doing it, in trade we obviously got something we wanted too).
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23 Jun 2008, 11:45
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Welcome to round 27, not 17 !
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23 Jun 2008, 20:25
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
i dont like this but here goes nothing!
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Welcome to round 27, not 17 !
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22 Jun 2008, 13:15
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
accessing other alliances tools accounts last round and now this, good honest people then!!
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22 Jun 2008, 20:21
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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accessing other alliances tools accounts last round and now this, good honest people then!!
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22 Jun 2008, 13:47
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Denial members might want to consider new HCs or a new alliance...
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22 Jun 2008, 13:49
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Denial members might want to consider new HCs or a new alliance...
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any suggestions?
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22 Jun 2008, 13:49
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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22 Jun 2008, 14:08
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
They should get punished for getting caught. Idiots! Learn your lesson! If u find an exploit, then keep it secret! If you get caught, deny, deny, deny! That is what the system forces you to do! Blame the game!!!
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22 Jun 2008, 14:26
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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They should get punished for getting caught. Idiots! Learn your lesson! If u find an exploit, then keep it secret! If you get caught, deny, deny, deny! That is what the system forces you to do! Blame the game!!!
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Someone to pre-emptively close i suspect
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22 Jun 2008, 14:28
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Nah, that Asc HC forced me to write that. I am just a messenger.
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22 Jun 2008, 14:31
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
You spoke to all 58 HC?
That's pretty good going man.
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22 Jun 2008, 14:35
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Thats a trick question.
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22 Jun 2008, 15:58
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
i hope this isn't true
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22 Jun 2008, 16:01
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
Accounts should stay closed rest of round.
I also suggest jail time
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22 Jun 2008, 16:10
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Tag should be removed/disbanded, accounts should stay closed rest of round.
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What has this got to do with Denial members in general? Why should they be punished for the actions of a few people? Lets keep things in perspective here people, this isnt a ****ing witch hunt.
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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What has this got to do with Denial members in general? Why should they be punished for the actions of a few people? Lets keep things in perspective here people, this isnt a ****ing witch hunt.
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I agree with you.
But I'd like to know if I get a present because my galmates got closed. That kinda punishes me and I didn't do anything wrong. 
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22 Jun 2008, 17:16
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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What has this got to do with Denial members in general? Why should they be punished for the actions of a few people? Lets keep things in perspective here people, this isnt a ****ing witch hunt.
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Well the question is to what extent you and your HC endorsed it. In my view "turning a blind eye" even if you are an HC isn't acceptable for such a level of insitutional cheating. If there is a certain level of endorsement, then in my opinion the whole HC is responsible, not just those actively involved. They are all more than welcome to sign up new accounts and play fairly, of course. Ultimately HC's are responsible to prevent such incidents from happening and if they are even acquiescing to it, I think they should be punished for it.
Removing the denial tag is irrelevant.
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Well the question is to what extent you and your HC endorsed it. In my view "turning a blind eye" even if you are an HC isn't acceptable for such a level of insitutional cheating. If there is a certain level of endorsement, then in my opinion the whole HC is responsible, not just those actively involved. They are all more than welcome to sign up new accounts and play fairly, of course. Ultimately HC's are responsible to prevent such incidents from happening and if they are even acquiescing to it, I think they should be punished for it.
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I'm not actually sure what point you are making here Lok, are you trying to say that VenoX and everyone else in Denial who knew anything about what was happening should be closed or? Personally I'd imagine they have been screwed over enough by them already, wouldn't you?
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Not at all.
But HC are clearly responsible, as they are responsible for their alliance and ultimately the institutional conduct of their members. Which is different to an ordinary peon, as they aren't responsible for anyone else apart from themselves. HC determine the rules of a hierarchical organisation, not members. So on that basis, all of the HC and the members directly responsible seems pretty fair. It would be the same for directors of a company.
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22 Jun 2008, 16:14
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Join Date: May 2003
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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Tag should be removed/disbanded, accounts should stay closed rest of round.
Anything shorter than that would be ridiculous. They're the HC's ffs
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Disagree.
They should be closed and left closed. anything more is overkill and anything less is worthless.
Since it would probably cripple the alliance, tag wise if the hc accounts were deleted they might want to assign someone else to be a HC of the alliance for the time being.
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22 Jun 2008, 16:17
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Poblacht na hÉireann
Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
VenoX is right, punish the offenders only. In my opinion they should remain closed for the remainder of the round though, which doesn't seem to be the case.
@Phil: VenoX is HC and appears to be clean in all of this so the tag should not be affected in any case.
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22 Jun 2008, 19:52
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Fightin-irish for life
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: guinness brewery
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
dumb question but what about the people that were affected by their cheating , eg someone landing on them with their production bug and losing their ships are they gonna be compensated
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22 Jun 2008, 20:08
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Mind-boggling
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Devon, England
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
quite simply blame Kenny for this madness
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22 Jun 2008, 23:12
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Insomniac
Join Date: May 2003
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Re: Denial HCs Round 27
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dumb question but what about the people that were affected by their cheating , eg someone landing on them with their production bug and losing their ships are they gonna be compensated
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I would think not. Would *you* like to identify everyone potentially affedted.
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