Abuse of Position?

[Singularity]

Posting on forums is not one of my strengths but I feel that comments made in other posts about myself, Orbit and the Orbit command team have prompted me to remark in a new thread, as opposed to the circus thread that has been created by Wakey.

I would firstly like to state catagorically, at no point did I know Masta_Mark was using 2 accounts to gain access to another alliance, but did know that he was liasing with his brother for intel on the other alliance!
This on my part was foolish and stupid. Obviously this has bought into question my integrity as member of the Orbit Command team, and a member of the PA community.
I am very proud to have served Orbit for 8 rounds and more so that they thought that I deserved to be taken into the HC team, I am also very proud to have played this game from Round 1 and would never do anything to jepordise my position within the Orbit Command Team and my place in the PA community, to this end I have requested that my status be changed with the Orbit Command team to a lower more casual one. If my request is accepted then this will hopefully allow Wakey and his clowns to stand down with the all mighty I am routine and allow us as an alliance to move forward and do what we are good at.

I think to question the integrity of the PA team is another matter entirely, and to say that Fiery and her team have done nothing about this is wrong. I have had conversations with the MH team about the matter of my knowledge of Masta_Marks's wrong doing. They have accepted the explanantion I have given.
Masta's account was closed promptly upon the discovery of his wrong doing.
The post by Wakey has done nothing but question the integrity of Fiery and her team and has brought into doubt thier abilities to act.
This is wrong.
MH do a cracking job with the resources they have, isn't Mark's account being closed enough evidence that thier reaction was swift and fair, and that they have taken the time to speak to the Orbit HC about this matter to fully understand the situation.

I'm sure the comments begin from here and not all will be ones that I agree with, but I felt that I should stand up and explain my and the actions of my colleagues in a post that isn't riddled with comments taken out of context and with HC's of other alliances blowing smoke up thier own backsides!

Sin

[Cervantes]

I was inteviewed by both Appocomaster and Fiery on the case so i would say they looked into it thouroughly, and i think this has been blown well out of context, and maybe the forum should be closed before causing more distress, people dont like to be accused/flamed and gerally blamed abused. and a forum of this sort made by some one in a position of trust on these forums (a forum rep) should be reviewed by the peers/Higher command of this role. If his agenda is to make people quit pa, then i think hes hit that on the head. Why this has been even posted on a forum is rediculus as it was looked into solved and justly action taken why take it further and flame? abuse of power is all i can say!

[Ceadrath]

is their a tl:dr version i.e. whos been abusing what?

[Mzyxptlk]

I don't see what the drama is all about. Someone got caught cheating and got closed. What more is there to talk about?

Caed; Masta_Mark multied to gain intel on F-Crew (yes, I kid you not).

[ReligFree]

Well I for one am really pleased Zhil has figured out where PA forums are again.

[Phil^]

this forum needs a drama llama icon.
it really does.

[Cervantes]

Ur right phil, some people dont like being accused tho

[Phil^]

theres a difference between being accused and being found guilty
masta_mark was found guilty, end of discussion.

edit: oh, and hey - from reading the other thread on this issue he's even went and found himself another planet and is back in orbit

all sins forgiven? or are you just spineless?

[Aedolaws]

"everybody gay"

Peter (The family Guy)

[Cervantes]

Lol random comment but made me giggle

[Kargool]

Originally Posted by Singularity

babble

My initial thought was: Who are you?

[Bubert Samson]

While I do enjoy watching all this unfold (I really do) I have to advise Orbit HCs to let the subject die, commenting on this just pours gas of the flames and doesnt help you or your alliance.

The longer this thread gets, the worse you will look, and without your comments, interest in the subject will die relatively quickly.

[Cervantes]

we the allaince will comment no more on this subject as its trival bullshit and wakey just trying to cause trouble, at the end of the day he was punished and dealt with, the hc was interview by the pa team and swift justice was held, if he wants to blame everyone and genrally ramble on like a little girl then go ahead because we are over it. and want to carry on playing the game. Final post subject closed!

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Singularity

I think to question the integrity of the PA team is another matter entirely, and to say that Fiery and her team have done nothing about this is wrong. I have had conversations with the MH team about the matter of my knowledge of Masta_Marks's wrong doing. They have accepted the explanantion I have given.
Masta's account was closed promptly upon the discovery of his wrong doing.
The post by Wakey has done nothing but question the integrity of Fiery and her team and has brought into doubt thier abilities to act.
This is wrong.
MH do a cracking job with the resources they have, isn't Mark's account being closed enough evidence that thier reaction was swift and fair, and that they have taken the time to speak to the Orbit HC about this matter to fully understand the situation.

I know you want to try and shift focus, after all as Cead stated here you are the most guilty of any of Orbit as you and Masta openly discussed it. You asked Masta about F-Crew TV to which he responded "<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member" and then "<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack"

Notice the I's. This isnt him saying "My brother needs to", its him saying "I need to". So any attempt to claim you knew nothing is bullshit.

As for your claim of me questioning the integrity of the MH's. Where did I. What I said relating to the MH's is as follows

I held off posting both this post and the previous one as this post is pretty damning for Orbit and how Corrupt they are as an alliance but I had to wait for Fiery to take action first. As Fiery won't take any action I have decided there's no need to remain quite.

I reported it to Fiery (Plus others) as the support team should be a group that has integrity. Sadly like Masta_Mark cervantes told Fiery that he told Masta not to do it before it happened and when Masta did start cheating he didnt know about it. Something which the evidence proves wrong but its seen its my word against his and the benefit of the doubt has to be given to him.

Thats not questioning their integrity. Its stating that they didnt take any further action because without you lot admitting to the MH's as it comes down to my word vs yours.

And I checked with Fiery last night if she felt I was questioning her integrity. The responce was as follows

[22:46] <Fiery> No, I do not feel that you questioned my integrity.
[22:47] <Fiery> you basically stated what I said.

So Fiery clearly doesnt think its questioning the MH's integrity so you are barking up the wrong tree

[Mzyxptlk]

Lalala, I can't hear you, lalala

[wakey]

The problem is that its all well and good saying that everyone deserves a second chance but surely to be granted a second chance you have to show remorse for your actions. Masta_Mark won't even even admit to cheating, on the other thread he even went as far as stating he didnt cheat, he just broke a rule. Now if breaking rules isnt cheating then what is, but he refuses to admit to himself and the community that he is a cheater.

Masta_Mark and the Orbit HC have done everything they can to absolve him of any fault. They ae sticking to the "he didnt cheat" line. Masta is claiming that he only logged in once to close his 'brothers' account (despite Orbit admitting that he discussed cheating with them, and then further evidence as seen in the logs I provided showing that it was then discussed that he was logging in AFTER they supposedly told him not to) and cerv is stating the only thing he did wrong was logging into both on the same IP (Thats right its not wrong in his eyes that he logged into 2 accounts, just that he didnt do so on different ips)

He simply isnt being held accountable and is being aided to dodge the accountability. He has been closed by the MH's but its no real loss to him, the account wasnt doing that well this round so its somewhat like getting a slap on the wrists. If he had been barred from the alliance then that would have been a punishment even if in a round or so after a lesson had been learnt he as invited back.

Ofc he will probably now turn up and admit to cheating, show some fake remorse in the same kind of Token gesture we saw Sin do with his offer to step down. It would simply be al for show.

As for the HC carefully considering it, again its hard to believe. The evidence is there that some of them, Sin especially knew about it. Masta after all refers to the planet as "I" not "My brother" and he even talks about attacking with it. And we have also seen cerv admitting to knowing and then skating around the subject. Until the honest members of the HC grow some balls and remove the dishonest ones and the ones who are trying to talk Masta out of any blame then how is anyone supposed to take their judgement seriously?

[Aedolaws]

deja vu

[[DDK]gm]

mark multied, whoopty doo, hardly cheating on the scale we have seen by denial hc or the irc op abuse last round

[Remy]

Oh my, 148 posts (149 including this one), separated over 3 threads (i might have missed some though :P), about one person cheating.

Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?

[Hutchi]

Originally Posted by Remy

Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?

hmm do we even need to give that a proper answer

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Remy

Oh my, 148 posts (149 including this one), separated over 3 threads (i might have missed some though :P), about one person cheating.

Is the rest of PA really THAT boring?

You are underselling it though Remy, it may have spawned from 1 person deciding to cheat. The reality is worse though and its one person cheating and members of the hc being cheat enablers by knowing it was going on and cheat sympathisers by trying trying to help him hide the fact he cheated so he can carry on as normal

[Remy]

Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Remy

Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.

On the contrary, it is highly constructive to work at removing cheats from this game.
You do it yourself, remember?

[[DW]Entropy]

Originally Posted by Phil^

On the contrary, it is highly constructive to work at removing cheats from this game.
You do it yourself, remember?

so does that mean this statement

Originally Posted by Remy

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.

applies to remy?

[[DW]Entropy]

Originally Posted by Remy

Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

It was when he was simply expressing his views and findings, the other threads are just a collection of people trying to clear their name or denying involvement.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Remy

Wakey, from what i hear and read, you (and maybe a few others) have started some crusade. Although this is your good right, is is not very constructive.

If you keep at it long enough, people will just see you as a whiner, and take you less and less serious. The end result will be zero.

And if I just drop it what's the end result. Once again Zero because they will continue to ignore the issue and it will be swept under the carpet. Its the kind of attitude your expressing that is one of PA's biggest issues for the community. There is just too much apathy shown towards cheats by the alliances that harbour them and everyone else. They would rather benefit and then claim ignorance than take action.

And in this case ignorance is not even a passable excuse

1. We have a 'figurehead' of orbit who used to be HC and still has access to the HC channel who cheated by multing
2. We have this cheat discussing it in the HC channel with the HC. This is after he was supposedly told not to but openly discusses logging into a second account
3. The cheat is caught, he denies cheating claiming it was his brothers account that he was 'helping' him with
4. The Orbit HC are claiming that he didnt cheat. The support team member of orbits HC stating that He didnt multi, he just was dumb enough to not change IP when logging into a second account
5. The Orbit HC deny they knew anything about it including people who the evidence shows openly discussed it
6. Another Orbit HC admits to knowing after the cheat discussed it but failed to report it
7. The Orbit HC accept the cheats new account back into their alliance. Something the Support team member of the HC confirms when I tell him its his fault that the HC accepted the cheat back and he says "i personally didnt"

The orbit HC are endorsing cheating as they knowing let an alliance figurehead cheat, they then openly argue he didnt cheat before accepting his new account back in. All the while letting those with undeniable proof that they knew and endorsed get away with being cheat enablers.

Now if I drop it now, when no positive action has been taken by any honest members of Orbit and its HC that makes me no better than them as I would be knowingly letting cheats and cheat enablers sweep the indecent under the carpet while the community turns a blind eye. In effect I would be a cheat enabler myself and while others may be willing to turn a blind eye and let cheating go on I'm not. If that makes people 'not take me serious' then so be it, as I would rather be a honest and ethical joke than being respected but dishonest any day

[Phil^]

evidently not ( as none of it applies ), that was one of the subtle points i was making.

[Mzyxptlk]

I don't think you understand what "constructive" means.

[Mistwraith]

Do you realise how much publicity your giving Orbit ?

for ***** sake he was investigated, he was closed, if they chose to take him back ingame its their call, and looking back over the years its a call made many times by many alliances !

I realise this is your pet crusade this round, but the pa team cant stop him from signing up again, they oviously dont care about it, so they become an alliance known to take back cheats, it backfired on LDK, and ReBorn in the rounds it happened, let it go ! It will come back to bite them in its own time without you making this fuss about it.

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Mistwraith

Do you realise how much publicity your giving Orbit ?

for ***** sake he was investigated, he was closed, if they chose to take him back ingame its their call, and looking back over the years its a call made many times by many alliances !

This is bigger than just Masta though, which you, remy, orbit ect ect cant seem to get into your head. This wasn't some small scale cheating of 1 member but cheating done with the HC's knowledge and endorsement. Its this that is disgusting especially when once again one of the HC's in question is a member of the support team, someone who should know better and should be setting not just an example for their alliance but the whole game.

If it was just Masta cheating and there was no evidence of the HC knowing (and if the HC weren't making claims like he didn't cheat, he was just too dumb to change ip before logging into each account) then I would have to drop it as the action would have been taken. But its bigger than that and there's no reason they should be allowed to sweep it under the table and continue cheating like this

[Alki]

Originally Posted by wakey

This is bigger than just Masta though, which you, remy, orbit ect ect cant seem to get into your head. This wasn't some small scale cheating of 1 member but cheating done with the HC's knowledge and endorsement. Its this that is disgusting especially when once again one of the HC's in question is a member of the support team, someone who should know better and should be setting not just an example for their alliance but the whole game.

If it was just Masta cheating and there was no evidence of the HC knowing (and if the HC weren't making claims like he didn't cheat, he was just too dumb to change ip before logging into each account) then I would have to drop it as the action would have been taken. But its bigger than that and there's no reason they should be allowed to sweep it under the table and continue cheating like this

and you my dear wakey need to stfu aswell, seriously you do. You are actually harping on over this way to much and quite frankly its enough. Cheats have existed since the start of pa, and yes everyone has harboured them, including your precious f-crew. Seriously though why in gods name are you such a carebear, I would genuinely like to know, bad childhood? bad dreams? Seriously give me anything to go off, so that I can at least understand a little bit about why you are such a carebear. You need to realise the game is dead and that no-one quite frankly gives a shit anymore, other than your caring self.

[Ceadrath]

we had a page and a bit on ronins relay and he didnt even get closed in the end, i figure we can get at least another page of passionate denials and salty tears for someone who actually got deleted

[Remy]

The following is my personal view, not as a member of mh or support dept.:

Wakey,

I am not against people raising these kinds of issues. Not at all. I'm a big fan of name and shame too. But i was merely pointing out that at the moment, its getting so long you risk not to be taken seriously anymore. That's all i was saying. Just the fact that me and misty for example, call your actions a 'crusade', could be an indication of what some people think of it at the moment.

About the HCs knowing about the player cheating: yes, they might have known, or not. Regardless of the actual truth, the community will probably decide on some truth, a truth that is usually most convenient to the community.

If they knew, they might have done something that harms the community as a whole (not giving a good example, etc, blabla). Wether or not the HCs or their alliance is punished for that, depends on the same members of the community that accuse them. If the alliance will play next round with the same HCs (or partly at least), and they will have the same number of planets, then probably not many people actually care.

The issue of the member of support has been dealt with, or at least, so i have heard (i haven't been busy with it, not my job). The way it has been dealt with, may or may not be to your liking.

[Ceadrath]

you might want to take a look at the op and see who dragged up stuff that had been dead and buried before telling people their making a curfuffle.

[Alki]

seriously everyone in this thread **** off.

Especially you cead, you were ascendancy, you know how easy it is to get relays, what you are piping on about I have nfi.

[Ave]

As if u ever let a past cheater in to your alliance... or had one among you.

If they knew about the cheating and didnt act on it, thats nothing more than bad image to their alliance. Which I think this whole thread is about to clear their name.

Kind of pointless tho.

[HellKicker]

i'm sorry but i blame cervantes!

[Ceadrath]

so he outed you cheating and youve got your knickers in a twist about it?

i see.

[furball]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

the point is why doesn he need to tell the whole world and make out like we planned a big conspirracy. he was in out priv channel flaming today, whats his problem!! ??PMT??

You do have to wonder who let him into your private channel....


Sin, you're pulling the whole 'woe is me' routine. The level of guilt that you feel about Masta_Mark's cheating is irrelevant. The forums are a perfectly reasonable place to expose events such as these - so long as they're reported to the MHs as well, which they were - so why are you condemning Wakey?

This is just yet another incident out of many involving Orbit and F-Crew. A Orbit HC tried to spy on F-Crew and got caught. Orbit now reckon that all discussion of it should be stifled....well guess what, it doesn't work like that.

[Ceadrath]

<@Sin> when are we getting more channels#
<@Sin> on F-Crew TV
<@Juice> lol
<@Masta_Mark> i need to become a proper member
<@Masta_Mark> and get a script
<@Masta_Mark> and also need a ****ing BC to listen to me so i can actually attack
<@Masta_Mark> LOL

if you say so.

[Membrivio]

Cead... Get back into your cage

[Ceadrath]

Originally Posted by Membrivio

Cead... Get back into your cage

you leave em alone for a round mem and they cant even lie well

[Membrivio]

Originally Posted by Ceadrath

you leave em alone for a round mem and they cant even lie well

If I know one thing then it is that Sin and cervantes are known for being integer and helpful guys.
That Masta_Mark commits a cynical foul has nothing to do with them.

And... <3 you too

[Membrivio]

Furball, Masta was not a HC this round. He was BC (edit: or DC).

[furball]

Originally Posted by Membrivio

If I know one thing then it is that Sin and cervantes are known for being integer and helpful guys.
That Masta_Mark commits a cynical foul has nothing to do with them.

If they knew about it then they are equally guilty.

Originally Posted by Membrivio

Furball, Masta was not a HC this round. He was BC.

He's been identified with Orbit since it ever came into existence, making that fact almost irrelevant.

[Zh|l]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Also to re itterate we as the hc didnt know. so get over it and get a life.

Hello, I'm Zhil. You may remember me from alliances such as Fury and 1up.

What you just posted is worth a big red X for marking.

This is not the manner in which you should post in order to convince/manipulate people into believing you.

I could give some advise, for a nominal charge.

Regards,

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

This wasnt said with me present or to my knowledge so why should i recieve attacks?

you have roids dont you?
this is a war game isnt it?
you are hc in an alliance which really should have screened this sorlid affair out at an early stage arent you?

do i really need to spell it out?

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

or i will get nasty

oh thats mature.
Seriously, i really think that HC these days dont have a clue about PR.
you dont ever ever ever try to stir up a hornets nest on an issue where your 'side' was found in the wrong with regards to something like cheating.
EVER

if you had any sense you would let the topic die before you get torn apart over it. ( and you will, rest assured if you keep it up on the forums )

[wakey]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Wakey u should stop quoting people without their permission as its gonna get u in trouble. and put ur wooden spoon away u big girl

I had Fierys permission to quote her. And i'll put this so called 'wooden spoon' away when you lot stop taking the piss out of the game and community. I see no reason that cheaters should be able to sweep it under the carpet and take the complete piss out of your members and the community in general.

If any of the HC that truely didnt know this was going on actually stepped up and took action to remove those that did from the alliance for good and the members ensured that this happened as well then I would be happy and would drop it. The simple fact is no alliance should knowingly allow cheats and cheat enablers into their alliance and certainly shouldnt let them be in positions of power

[Phil^]

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Topic closed! Im bored of u now. have fun

aaaaaaaaaaaand there goes my patience with you. If i was still in charge of support team i would be pulling you aside and asking you to improve your public behaviour.

You cant proclaim a topic closed just because you dont like whats being said, So far, im pretty much entirely in agreement with wakey here, does that mean im trying to stir up trouble?
No. it doesnt.

Originally Posted by Cervantes

we the allaince will comment no more on this subject as its trival bullshit and wakey just trying to cause trouble

Hold on, it was you lot who created this thread, trying to stir up trouble for wakey since he is a forum mod. Dont go blaming others for your own actions, and especially not when they can be used against you so very easily.
Those in glass houses should not throw stones

Originally Posted by Cervantes

at the end of the day he was punished and dealt with, the hc was interview by the pa team and swift justice was held, if he wants to blame everyone and genrally ramble on like a little girl then go ahead because we are over it. and want to carry on playing the game.

So why did you ( allegedly ) let a known cheat back into your alliance, all sins forgiven?
Cheats prosper where they fear no punishment. A closed planet isnt much inducement for people to stop cheating entirely, being exiled and shunned from alliances is.
Does orbit have a standing policy of "your past is of no concern" in their recruitment?

Originally Posted by Cervantes

Final post subject closed!

Hardly, you posted again after saying this, so i tend to think you'll post again given enough time.