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Unread 21 Feb 2006, 06:57   #1
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War !

so what fights do we have so far ? who's fighting who? any official wars been declared ?:P
we know angels and 1up don't like each other a lot hehe ...but what about the others?
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Re: War !

I saw the title of the thread and thought it was going to be a juicy declaration
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I too would be interested in finding out.

I'd heard something about subh/lch/angels vs 1up, but being that angels* and 1up have raided my gal during this 'war', and that subh have targetting the LCH in my gal during this time, this doesn't sound particularly believable.

*their scores were mostly below angels average, and so could have been the kicked ones I guess. Plus my access to intel is pretty poor, so I'm relying on other people's interpretations...
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I'd heard something about subh/lch/angels vs 1up, but being that angels* and 1up have raided my gal during this 'war', and that subh have targetting the LCH in my gal during this time, this doesn't sound particularly believable.
Just because all 3 of them are working together against 1up doesn't mean they won't occasionally take a swipe at each other (or neutrals such as yourself) though.
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I'm at war with Fish on who can piss off Angels the most.

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Just because all 3 of them are working together against 1up doesn't mean they won't occasionally take a swipe at each other (or neutrals such as yourself) though.
that is assuming they are working together, which they aren't. (And if they were they are doing a pretty shit job!)
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that is assuming they are working together, which they aren't. (And if they were they are doing a pretty shit job!)
It's more a case of "they were" as far as I can tell at the moment.
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that is assuming they are working together, which they aren't. (And if they were they are doing a pretty shit job!)
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Re: War !

i was expecting forrest (sp) to have decalred war on someone by now. Or is he not playing?
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I'm at war with Fish on who can piss off Angels the most.

I think I'm winning, for at least ingame reasons.

I'm too inactive in game, but I think I win on AD.
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After reading the title and the first post, this thread totally fails to deliver.
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Yea. I think every1 wars everybody! Roid swapping and ship capping is this rounds war so far. Nothing obvious or something like this. It's not too late for blocking (which I hope it won't happen cos round is too nice the way it is)
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...cos round is too nice the way it is)
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I think people are avoiding wars because its unhealthy for the two alliances involved and only gives the other alliances an advantage.
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I thought TGV & VGN were at war, kargool?
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I thought TGV & VGN were at war, kargool?
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I think people are avoiding wars because its unhealthy for the two alliances involved and only gives the other alliances an advantage.
Kargool is entirely correct. Anyone remember the LCH vs Insommnia war of r14? Both alliances got hit by a bunch of others. We didn't see any point in having the same happen to us, especially when the entire universe is waiting for something to happen to take advantage of.
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with the amount of hair the TGV'ers sport VGN thought they were figthing a rug
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Only two minor skirmirshes.
Yea... I've seen a few skirmished between a few alliances already...

I think i smell a war soon tho
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I think people are avoiding wars because its unhealthy for the two alliances involved and only gives the other alliances an advantage.
That has to be, by far, the stupidest thing I've read. If anyone hasn't noticed yet--this is a *WAR* game. You *ATTACK* people, that's what the game is about. To avoid wars in a war-game is not only stupid, but completely lame.

About alliance wars: Wars between alliances are vital. By starting, or even finishing what someone else started, in a war, you can advance your alliance, improve your ranking, teach your members things they couldn't learn otherwise, and many other factors. Wars teach as much to a player about a game as a training alliance teachs new players how to play. To avoid wars in a war game, is one of the worst possible things to do.

About the number one spot: My personal opinion is that there are many contenders for the number one spot, but just about every alliance out there (with the exception of mabye Subh, who instigated action--props to them for trying), are lame. A smart contender would know when to strike, when to form a collition, and how to fight the way to victory. Boy, this round sure is lame--then again seems all the even numbered rounds are highly uneventful recently, when compared to the odd numbered rounds. If any alliance wants the number one spot, the burden of proof of who deserves the number one ranking, is up to the person who doesn't have the number one, but wants it.

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That has to be, by far, the stupidest thing I've read. If anyone hasn't noticed yet--this is a *WAR* game. You *ATTACK* people, that's what the game is about. To avoid wars in a war-game is not only stupid, but completely lame.

About alliance wars: Wars between alliances are vital. By starting, or even finishing what someone else started, in a war, you can advance your alliance, improve your ranking, teach your members things they couldn't learn otherwise, and many other factors. Wars teach as much to a player about a game as a training alliance teachs new players how to play. To avoid wars in a war game, is one of the worst possible things to do.

About the number one spot: My personal opinion is that there are many contenders for the number one spot, but just about every alliance out there (with the exception of mabye Subh, who instigated action--props to them for trying), are lame. A smart contender would know when to strike, when to form a collition, and how to fight the way to victory. Boy, this round sure is lame--then again seems all the even numbered rounds are highly uneventful recently, when compared to the odd numbered rounds. If any alliance wants the number one spot, the burden of proof of who deserves the number one ranking, is up to the person who doesn't have the number one, but wants it.

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Totally in disagreement with you. You should talk to the others in LCH about how profitable the war with Insomnia was last round.

In a war the two alliances warring tend to get jumped by others alliances who knows that they can get easy roids and score out of the two alliances warring. If war's had been hardcoded as Kal suggested before he left I would agree to what you are saying but I really only sees disadvantages with a war, unless the alliance you decide to go to war against is half your size and cant fight back.

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Re: War !

He is not saying it is profitable, he is saying you cannot win pa without going to war, roid races and roid swapping is pretty lame.

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Re: War !

war is inevitable if anyone wants to win. Imo i wouldnt worry too much about the lack of at present as its something which will arise eventually.
No-one wants to be known as the alliance which could have won, but didnt because they were too afraid to go to war.
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I think Kargool is saying that TGV could not be certain of winning a battle against VGN. From VGN's point of view, the same is true. It would be a 50-50 fight, both alliances having proven to each other that they can take roids off of each other. VGN's un-coordinated attack took a fair few roids off TGV. TGV's response took a fair few off VGN.

If we thought that we could have a fair fight, we might be in one right now. It shows how this round is going when we're pretty sure that both sides will get a lot of fleets incoming if a war starts - and not just from the opposing alliance.

Why draw that kind of attention on yourself? VGN sits 5th, top of the alliances which have usually been its competition. 1up are ahead of us. Subh, with eXilition, are ahead of us. Angels have accepted back their members and are back ahead of us. NewDawn are ahead of us; having been pegged back a bit, they've pulled away again.

Below us are TGV, LCH and xVx - and we're fairly comfortably ahead of them. Now, why should we get into a war right now?
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war is inevitable if anyone wants to win. Imo i wouldnt worry too much about the lack of at present as its something which will arise eventually.
No-one wants to be known as the alliance which could have won, but didnt because they were too afraid to go to war.
I hope so:[ 80 fleets attacking gals is just insane:P @least when alliances target alliances only afew planets get hit! All that red hurts my eyes :crazyxmas: It also makes in-gal def pretty hard as every1 has 1 spare fleet, which is needed to run their shippies:crymeariver: This all seems a strange contrast to the block-wars of previous rounds, but im sure when 1up get far enough ahead wars will break out
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Still made at least one wave recall from you though luke
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war is inevitable if anyone wants to win. Imo i wouldnt worry too much about the lack of at present as its something which will arise eventually.
No-one wants to be known as the alliance which could have won, but didnt because they were too afraid to go to war.

That statement is pretty much valid for all the top 5 alliances, or maybe just only for the top 3 alliances. Alliances below that will fight to hold their ground in the rankings, and a war against another alliance whom are equal in size and quality will only be a futile attempt to stagger that alliance, making it open play for the alliances around you.

Some of the top 10 alliances allready dont have a chance of winning, but are fighting for position. I belive that all the alliances in top 10 are very careful about where to pick their fights right now.
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As of today, Angels is going to declare War on eXilition

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One thing that is saddening is that no one is willing to take chances in this game anymore. People throw too much caution and won't take risks at all. I understand the strategy of it, but there comes a point where it's excessive.
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It will happen.
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One thing that is saddening is that no one is willing to take chances in this game anymore. People throw too much caution and won't take risks at all. I understand the strategy of it, but there comes a point where it's excessive.
Dont want to take chances anymore? You obviously didn't play during the huge powerblock times....
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50/50 sounds fair enough

Who will come out as the best?
In a 50/50 case it can go eitherway, that's what makes it so fair but that also gives the fun right?!
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Dont want to take chances anymore? You obviously didn't play during the huge powerblock times....
I have played every round. Even then though the blocks seemed to be some action and not just stagnant water. :/
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Re: War !

*me bashs head against wall*

To wait till one alliance has had the advantage *all round*, has built up their values by having more roids than any alliance *all round*, have a higher defence fleet efficency due to their larger value (1 fleet covers 1 call) *all round*, then attacking them in hopes of defeating them because they have become "too big" is about one of the stupidest things Ive heard.

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Re: War !

The problem for me is the top5 allies atm have to much history between each other.

What I mean by this is 1up & ND have tended to fight on the same side, so why risk relations in a free round? Angels tend to get owned by 1up, so wont wanna go there again but may be concerned more with being bashed by both, if they decide to target one. SubH have already been mentioned as the only ally to actually try something, that dont surprise me as they have less political baggage imo. VGN seem more concerned about loosing 5th from the competition below, rather then looking to progress forward (which i can fully understand and sympathise with, having been in a similar position myself).

All these theories, coupled with the fact this is a free round, well i think thats why the top5 is the way it is!

Plus it's possible the HC just aint arsed about waring so soon in R16. Maybe they just dont wanna risk burning out their DCs, as there is a REAL round just around the corner (apparently anyway ;P).

When the last few weeks do eventually arrive, I still cant see any major wars happening. It'll be interesting to see if Ascendancy can make top4.

Anyway, congrats again 1up!
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So r1-r4 wasn't real? (Because they were free?)
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Seth, 1up and ND havent been on the same side since R13, this is now R16, in R14 1up pwned ND to seal victory, and in R15 ND didnt help 1up as eXi (and flak) hit 1up.

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