Pulsars ...

[Gio2k]

.. are useless. If you were going the make pegs fire before them, they should have at least had more armor.
Basically, terran fr can be built in masses, and they will stop xan fi incs bc of their huge armor, and their efficiency against fi armor.
Don't get me wrong, i don't want xans to be immune to terran de attacks, but I think pulsars are much worse than chimeras.
So, end of my ranting :P

[Thefoundation]

well if you have arrowheads as your defence ship, you could build some to stop the smaller Ter De incs.

[jerome]

terran de is awful anyway, due to pillagers in-gal ..

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

.. are useless. If you were going the make pegs fire before them, they should have at least had more armor.
Basically, terran fr can be built in masses, and they will stop xan fi incs bc of their huge armor, and their efficiency against fi armor.
Don't get me wrong, i don't want xans to be immune to terran de attacks, but I think pulsars are much worse than chimeras.
So, end of my ranting :P

Pegasus efficiency at killing Pulsars = 75%
Vsharrak efficiency at killing Chimera = 84%

Vsharrak are better at killing chimera than pegasus are at killing pulsars; however, chimera are more efficient at killing FI (100%) than pulsars are at killing DE (85%).

Some quick facts:
Pulsars first get to shoot once the puls : peg value ratio is 0.76<
Pulsars break even damage wise (inc salvage) when puls : peg value ratio is 1.34<
Pulsars break even damage wise (excl salvage) when puls : peg value ratio is 1.53<
Pulsars wipe out pegasus when puls : peg value ratio is 1.84<

Chimera get to shoot once chim:vsh value ratio is 0.84<
Chimera break even damage wise (inc salvage) when chim:vsh value ratio is about 1.43<
Chimera break even damage wise (excl salvage) when chim:vsh value ratio is 1.64<
Chimera wipe out vsh when chim:vsh value ratio is 1.82<

It appears that in most cases, not taking into account flak, that the pulsar is superior to the chimera against their respective opposition.

[Gio2k]

Thx for the numbers Gate, although the issue is the following:
Terrans can concentrate on pegs as their main DE, since a few barghests stop effectively the fr incs. Xans on the other side can't concentrate on vsh as main FI, bc they need a lot of phantoms to balance their weakness against cath (beetles) and zik (thiefs + stolen beetles) co.

[Gate]

Originally Posted by Gio2k

Thx for the numbers Gate, although the issue is the following:
Terrans can concentrate on pegs as their main DE, since a few barghests stop effectively the fr incs. Xans on the other side can't concentrate on vsh as main FI, bc they need a lot of phantoms to balance their weakness against cath (beetles) and zik (thiefs + stolen beetles) co.

I understand your point, but I'm still quite keen on xand.

For one, terrans may want to invest in a BS fleet, as it's also pretty good. Meanwhile, the xand FR fleet is absolute balls and can be ignored. Low expenditure in arrowheads can easily cover most FI incs, and spectres provide a very good deterrent for cruisers: perhaps it's the mentality of the general cath player, but very few of them seem willing to play chicken in the way that terrans do. I've found that I have a very significant FI fleet that is just as effective at 2-3 fleeting on large terrans, as those large terrans are at 2-3 fleeting me.

And my planet is idle and absolutely crap, thanks to suicidal attackers, fleetcatches, vacmode etc.

It is perhaps a problem, but I think it's a little bit unfair to say that xands have it much harder than terrans, is all.

[lilboi]

Pulsars are useless unless you have an abundance, and if you have an abundance, you have probably wasted those resources which coulda been spent on a better fi fleet.

Pulsars are not the only useless ship in the stats this round, phoenix, recluse, mantis, and lancer.

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by lilboi

Pulsars are useless unless you have an abundance, and if you have an abundance, you have probably wasted those resources which coulda been spent on a better fi fleet.

Pulsars are not the only useless ship in the stats this round, phoenix, recluse, mantis, and lancer.

idd it should also be made that the def ships shoot before the attack ships
like scarab ini 1 tara ini 2
same ini is crap

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by lilboi

Pulsars are useless unless you have an abundance, and if you have an abundance, you have probably wasted those resources which coulda been spent on a better fi fleet.

If you have some pulsars it only takes 1 viper fleet to basically cover you.

Originally Posted by Sjor

idd it should also be made that the def ships shoot before the attack ships
like scarab ini 1 tara ini 2
same ini is crap

How much easier do you want to make defending? The stats should be more attacked based if anything, not trying to make every race immune to all inc >.<

[Tietäjä]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

How much easier do you want to make defending? The stats should be more attacked based if anything, not trying to make every race immune to all inc >.<

Bringing back "military scans" surely won't help make attacking easier. Don't you think? That can be way more dramatic than any changing statistics, as with military scan technology as it was, you can be definately sure what anyone is sending. Even if it'd come after fleet scans, it's still a moronic toss.


And yeah, you're very right; beetles don't do *exactly* as well with chimera (mainly because chimera's lower firepower); and even if it's an effective combination beetles are out attacking most of the time nevertheless. Currently what characterizes the statistics isn't, in my opinion, difficulty in attacking (perhaps ease of it), but overall useless ships (phoenix is a good example), and a lack of balance.

[Sjor]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

If you have some pulsars it only takes 1 viper fleet to basically cover you.



How much easier do you want to make defending? The stats should be more attacked based if anything, not trying to make every race immune to all inc >.<

think they are more than enough attackbased
i hardly pull any attacks i launch and my fleet is really not huge