A little story

[Scorpio]

Originally posted by KoeN
(since when does LDK launch at :52???)

I sometimes launch at x:30

[Doorsdown]

Originally posted by KoeN
the 'proof' cypher was talking about was a newsscan a galmate of mine uploaded earlier this round. it shows the LDK incomings at a big planet in my gal. a 40 second gap between every hostile fleet, starting at :52 or soemthing, and ends at :59. (since when does LDK launch at :52???)

if you ask me, 2/3m planets who have FI fleets only, barely any pods, and are able to defend/attack topplanets at every time the big friends like, are not normal players who play for their own planets.

you ask me for waterproof evidence. which i ofc don't have. but i never monitored him to show you lot that he cheated. i did it out of curiousity, see if i was right thinking he cheats.
only fools get caught in this game, there is not much pa team can do about loads of people cheating with the rules we have now.

but every pa player with withscans and the skills to calculate 1 +1 will be able to notice cypher is just a simple cheater, and nothing more than that.
since atleast R7.

that should be enough to look at the IP's. He could have friends that are willing to play just to help him.

And the :52 thing most cords are given out about xx:50 and are to launch arround 55 to 57 but that doesn't me other don't launch alittle early.

This is something that u should be talking to a PA crew member about not the accused. Hes going to deny it either way unless hes honurable to own up to cheating if he is guilty.

[KoeN]

Originally posted by Scorpio
I sometimes launch at x:30

naah, that must have been your cousin

[laputa]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
To be totally honest, people like meddy have been involved in cheating for several rounds, he just happens to be in LDK this round. Most of the core LDK people, who have been LDK for several rounds, have never been closed. The old 'bot' accusations are not widely believed any more. And I can accept the explanation that many of the escort/def bitch planets are actually real people who just want to help out LDK. But meddy and his friends have been cheaters for several rounds, and still are cheaters. regardless of whether they are LDK or not. It's just unfortunate for LDK that they recruited people who do this kind of thing.

Very good post. I'd like to add one thing though: With the evidence provided by xtothez it becomes rather clear that some of those 2 mil def/att-support planets are not 'friends, cousins etc.' but meddy & co's multi escort accounts.

[Jormalai]

There was some talk about reporting friends. I wouldnt do it. And let me tell why becouse friends that i have made in this virtual "city" are some ass good as in rl. Mayby even better ones there are thing that i havent told even to my rl friends that i have told some off my irc friends. Why mayby its easyer to talk to some1 that is not arround.

And by reporting thous friends i would be in risk off loosing them withs i would not wont to happend. And besides this is just a game so what if they cheat. For me this is something diffrent then game its the community. Do u really thing i would have stayed here 3 years off my life if this would be only game. I dont care about game that much its the diffrent things that makes planetarion its the person playing it.

And pm should be pm.

[Leshy]

Originally posted by Jormalai
And besides this is just a game so what if they cheat.

If it's just a game, why do they need to cheat to achieve some high ranking?

[cypher]

Originally posted by KoeN

these type of planets are launching with cypher since atleast R7, where i began monitoring him.
in the first 3 weeks of R7 till R9.5, he never had to pull just one attack from a raid. a special achievement imho, even more because he's raiding all day long; it doesn't matter if he launches at 4pm or 4am, he caps always, these first weeks.
the 'proof' cypher was talking about was a newsscan a galmate of mine uploaded earlier this round. it shows the LDK incomings at a big planet in my gal. a 40 second gap between every hostile fleet, starting at :52 or soemthing, and ends at :59. (since when does LDK launch at :52???)

don't know when they do... i don't launch em...

i pull many attacks in first weeks.. i just mostly attack with 3 fleets a month ago you said you began monitoring me in r 3 .... when are you gonna keep your lies correct? i remember a post this round from you or theamion saying daytime raids where the best.. and the other one agreeing to it... yet when i do it it's cheating? explain plz..

if you ask me, 2/3m planets who have FI fleets only, barely any pods, and are able to defend/attack topplanets at every time the big friends like, are not normal players who play for their own planets.

yes i encounter that alot too...

but every pa player with newsscans and the skills to calculate 1 +1 will be able to notice cypher is just a simple cheater, and nothing more than that.
since atleast R7.

hmm actually if you do look at newscans of my targets for example you see i almost always attack alone. usually one bash and 1 roid fleet.

[cypher]

Originally posted by Doorsdown
that should be enough to look at the IP's. He could have friends that are willing to play just to help him.

And the :52 thing most cords are given out about xx:50 and are to launch arround 55 to 57 but that doesn't me other don't launch alittle early.

This is something that u should be talking to a PA crew member about not the accused. Hes going to deny it either way unless hes honurable to own up to cheating if he is guilty.

i have been checked out.. and i'm open.... quite simple...

about the xx:52 launches i don't see how i can be blamed if someone in a raid launched at 52 while i take a totally different target.... i actually only found out he was in the gal when i heard people moaning about him...

and in what form would i be honourable to own up to cheating if i aint?...

[HobbieRogue4]

Originally posted by cyphie
and next time when you see me irl say something so i have an excuse to do something... wanker.

To do what? Hit on him?

[RaiDeN]

Originally posted by Aryn
*shakes head*

oh and raiden to answer your post. if a friend turns on me and hates me for reporting them as cheaters then they weren't true friends at all. if they're going to let something as petty as an online game get in the way of our relationship then so be it.. they obviously weren't as good of friends as i thought.

take it further. if your friend constantly defaced properties all over town and you were the only person able to report them.. what would you do? yes they're my friend.. but that's my city they're ruining. they're wrecking it for everyone else that lives there.. all for their own 'fun'.. sure as hell i'd report them. (all my friends are well aware of how i stand on issues like this. if they blatantly cheat/do bad rl things in front of me.. it's their own fault)

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The situation it's not a friend reporting that you'r a cheater.
In this case it's a person breaking you'r privacy, and that person was supose to be you'r friend, sow he knew when ended the confided and started the abuse of the confident.

If you what to conpar it to real like, imagine that yo'r bathroom has a window, and you have a frined that leaves in the building in front of you'r, and he started to film you taking bath, then go the net and put the films online, will you like it??? Will you keep beeing his frind???
I will not, from that moment friendship will be ouver.

Sow it's not an online game that it's in the midle of frindship, it an abuse of confident ad a breaking of privacy.

If it was nacho for example reporting meddy for cheating, well, meddy shoed im the logins, using them or not, he shoed the logins, but nacho will not be breaking meddy privacy or abusing the confidence he reicided, he onli recived the proves directly from the person in question. I nkow nacho thinks as i, and even with all the proves in the world, he will never report a friend, for reporting it had to be someone that he didn't nkow.
If you agree with us or not, if you think it's unfair reporting the ones we don't know and not reporting friends, well probably we had diferent educations probably we have difernt ways of seeing friendship of the meanig of it and probably our experience in life with the years we have are difirents too.

I don't condemn XtoTheZ, i'm no judge but i don't condemn cheatrs too i've already cheated, sow what's the morall that i have to condemn, onli because i don't do it i'll start condemnig the one that sthill does!?!?!?!?

[Leshy]

Originally posted by RaiDeN
If you what to conpar it to real like, imagine that yo'r bathroom has a window, and you have a frined that leaves in the building in front of you'r, and he started to film you taking bath, then go the net and put the films online, will you like it???

It's more like he films you in the bathroom until he catches you building a car bomb in your bathroom, and then giving the video of you building the bomb to the police while deleting the rest.

If it was nacho for example reporting meddy for cheating, well, meddy shoed im the logins, using them or not, he shoed the logins, but nacho will not be breaking meddy privacy or abusing the confidence he reicided

Are you thick? How would Nacho passing on the information not being abusing meddy's confidence in him? Would meddy still be his friend then?

[Hannes]

this "me > u" behaviour here is laughable =/

[Supernova9]

Originally posted by cyphie
somehow i sincerely doubt he used such strings, don't you?

I don't really. Somehow I doubt PMs about the impotence problems and inability to talk to females of OuZo members was top on his priority list of 'THINGS I HAVE TO KNOW!!!!!1112222'.

Might be wrong though, that might be his thing. God knows he's the spawn of the devil for his actions thus far, should be shot and hung up from the nearest tree.

[ZOLA]

this xtothez`s action did nothing what will remove cheaters from this game. he just lost friends. if someone is not pathetic to himself to cheat in online game nothing will stop him. many "1337" players cheat, most of top gals acc share and cheat and when someone else is closed they go and flame him and call him cheater - rnt u ppl pathetic ? think what will happen when u r closed. i like xtothez, but i dont find this what he did nice. friends > * . ( i dont care for seeing my pms (only cyb0rs there )). but i also like medy, nacho_babe no matter they cheated. i love them for so many sleepless nites having fun on our chans, so many talks, fights ^^ etc. they chose their way to play the game. if someone wants to cheat its his choice.

and one more thing comradebob - who r u to call ouzo alliance cheating one ? then every alliance is cheating, there r cheaters in every alliance. if couple of our members cheated thats not meaning all cheat dumb ass.

[Kileman]

Planetarion uses journal entrys, private msgs, forum posts etc to close planets. They are 'allowed' to read them, despite any privacy that may be 'violated'. Basically if you use someones services, nothing is private, and if you havent realised that there is no such thing as security or privacy on the net... then its your own fault you got caught.

[ComradeRob]

Originally posted by ZOLA
u were 30:9:10 last round rite ?

with udk in gal ? with another private gal u owned 45:1 to backup ur gal? with all gal accs shared ?

k i have no more questions ty

He wasn't. 30:9:10 was Equinox (Elysium founder back in r2), though I don't know anything about 45:1 etc.

[ZOLA]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
He wasn't. 30:9:10 was Equinox (Elysium founder back in r2), though I don't know anything about 45:1 etc.

yes u r rite i remember now , i edited post above.

[meddy]

Originally posted by laputa
Very good post. I'd like to add one thing though: With the evidence provided by xtothez it becomes rather clear that some of those 2 mil def/att-support planets are not 'friends, cousins etc.' but meddy & co's multi escort accounts.

i never used escorts for my attack etc. check all of my attacks (if its possible)...

never used them for def

ta

[CamelToe]

Originally posted by Kileman
Planetarion uses journal entrys, private msgs, forum posts etc to close planets. They are 'allowed' to read them, despite any privacy that may be 'violated'. Basically if you use someones services, nothing is private, and if you havent realised that there is no such thing as security or privacy on the net... then its your own fault you got caught.

Originally posted by meddy
i never used escorts for my attack etc. check all of my attacks (if its possible)...

never used them for def

ta

Your multi planets escorted defence fleets to your planet*

* planets

[KoeN]

Originally posted by HobbieRogue4
To do what? Hit on him?

heh it's funny; some days ago when theamion was at my place and we made fun of silversmoke etc via these boards and IRC (and when my original account got deleted), these LDK pe0ns tried to find out where i was living etc. (i was called at home even by such a lunatick....but when i said it was indeed ME, KOEN, he just said "oh, ok" and hung up, instead of having a chat with me).
grimlock promised me to come by to beat us up
we told him to come between 12 and 13, we would have coffee ready then.
but they never showed up
i still have the logs btw, they are in dutch, but still fun

anyway; i didn't know you had this wish to talk to me IRL cypher, but if you do want to talk to me, then pm silversmoke for my adress. perhaps you can hop by some time then. your gf is living in my town anyway. cya.

[KoeN]

oh and cypher i'm also curious about this; what did you tell the multihunters when you had a chat with them to reopen you?

scorpio told me the story about his cousin that created 2 accounts on his e-mail-adress, they believed that, pretty funny.

do you also have some original lie or did you just resort to simple whining?

[Doorsdown]

Originally posted by cyphie
i have been checked out.. and i'm open.... quite simple...

about the xx:52 launches i don't see how i can be blamed if someone in a raid launched at 52 while i take a totally different target.... i actually only found out he was in the gal when i heard people moaning about him...

and in what form would i be honourable to own up to cheating if i aint?...

ok then ur not cheating, I never implyed that u were. And the times are no big deal.

The honourable thing, sence ur not u don't have to worry about it. I just was says the if u were cheating that own up to it.

[cypher]

Originally posted by KoeN
oh and cypher i'm also curious about this; what did you tell the multihunters when you had a chat with them to reopen you?

scorpio told me the story about his cousin that created 2 accounts on his e-mail-adress, they believed that, pretty funny.

do you also have some original lie or did you just resort to simple whining?

ask spinner

and no sorry i won't go to your place as well you aint worthy of the effort and whatever silversmoke or grimlock said has nothing to do with me

and when i go to your hometown i'll go to my gf

besides if i post logs about stuff you have said in the past i doubt many people would actually disagree with me not liking you, but i won't get into that as again you are not worth it

[Stiegl]

Originally posted by xtothez
With cheaters this game is nothing.
Which do you choose?

friends

[Sjor]

quote:



Originally posted by Sjor
now i can easier explain how all my lovely VOMMV xraid ppl got hit in the same night
well maybe it didnt happen but on this server we had a lot of BG's, gal cahnnels, def channels, even we hosted it for a certain part of the speed game, and a lot of intel was there to get and most of us were on the VOMMV side in R9 Xto was teenwar
/me calcs 1+1 together

Originally posted by xtothez
I can take flak for reporting friends, I can take flak for reading PMs and I can even take it for compromising privacy, but dont ****ing dare insinuate

Give me one reason to trust u
by reporting nacho and meddy u broke something u agreed as u joined OuZo and that is freinds > *. So dont think i will trust u just cause now even the cheaters in this games give u a well done.

Originally posted by xtothez
. A total of 5 BGs (OuZo, Critters, GTO X-Raid and Olvi) shared the network of 150 registered members and averaging 75 online. I wrote PA-customised IRC services from scratch, a member tools site with arbiter, boards, etc.
In the last few weeks I became suspicious about cheating by certain command members in Ouzo. Planets would launch when I knew their owners were offline[/i]

Fact is u were checking the Launch TImes u had all coords u had logs of all channels all plans as u were teh master of Fortress <-- The BOT

actually we had more than 5 BGs in R9 and several gal channels on our "safe" server

There was much leaking in the xraid channel
/me looks @ werewolf
but he leaked only some info in R9.5

If u leaked info u hurted our comunity and pa even more
sure i would maybe leak info too but i always tried to solve the problems and i just got the info some1 accidentaly pasted u got really all info from our server and u exactely knew who all the BC's/HC's were. If u already planed to leave us i can imagine u wanted to grab some cookies for your efforts.

Btw whats is with the thing of not reporting an ely member/officer who cheated and u knew it?
Congrats on the Promotion in elysium

and btw no need to say: " i didnt spy" think noone who knows u from the ouzo web will trust u

[Fleet_Multiplex]

Originally posted by Sjor
quote:



Originally posted by Sjor
now i can easier explain how all my lovely VOMMV xraid ppl got hit in the same night
well maybe it didnt happen but on this server we had a lot of BG's, gal cahnnels, def channels, even we hosted it for a certain part of the speed game, and a lot of intel was there to get and most of us were on the VOMMV side in R9 Xto was teenwar
/me calcs 1+1 together




Give me one reason to trust u
by reporting nacho and meddy u broke something u agreed as u joined OuZo and that is freinds > *. So dont think i will trust u just cause now even the cheaters in this games give u a well done.




Fact is u were checking the Launch TImes u had all coords u had logs of all channels all plans as u were teh master of Fortress <-- The BOT

actually we had more than 5 BGs in R9 and several gal channels on our "safe" server

There was much leaking in the xraid channel
/me looks @ werewolf
but he leaked only some info in R9.5

If u leaked info u hurted our comunity and pa even more
sure i would maybe leak info too but i always tried to solve the problems and i just got the info some1 accidentaly pasted u got really all info from our server and u exactely knew who all the BC's/HC's were. If u already planed to leave us i can imagine u wanted to grab some cookies for your efforts.

Btw whats is with the thing of not reporting an ely member/officer who cheated and u knew it?
Congrats on the Promotion in elysium

and btw no need to say: " i didnt spy" think noone who knows u from the ouzo web will trust u

well said Sjor, totally agree.

[cypher]

why you think i never wanted to give my coords and never attacked?:P heh.... took ya long enough to find out:P

[Sjor]

well my mistake
sorry for all xraid ppl that were missing our good times on netgamers

But thanks to all non VOMMV OCG and xraid in R9 they helped us whenever they could and were allowed to

[ComradeRob]

Perhaps these are simply the problems you get when BGs start acting like alliances.

Having their own private server with 150 people on it... all from different alliances... it seems quite obvious that a lot of conflicts of interest will emerge. Even if it's just little things like people tipping off members of their alliance about incoming that they will get, or abusing their positions to protect members of their alliance from BG attacks, it still makes it difficult for such a large group to operate when everyone in it has split loyalties.

If you had become a full alliance, and enforced a single-alliance-only rule on your members, you would not have had this problem. BGs are often blamed for reducing alliance loyalty, but the same works in reverse also.

[Sjor]

the point is that on the server was more intel to get even Sad could gather and that is as illegal as some hacked the madcos webby to get madcows coords

Taht kills the game

we had probs in ouzo but we are freinds and solve them

and it were different BG's gal channels and so on ....

[HobbieRogue4]

Originally posted by Sjor
Give me one reason to trust u

Why? Your group have given him at least 2 reasons to distrust you.

by reporting nacho and meddy u broke something u agreed as u joined OuZo and that is freinds > *.

With all do respect, that's a really stupid thing to say in light of the fact that your priorities in Planetarion seem to parallel that of Nacho's and Meddy's... that cheating is okay, so long as you remember to "be friends."

So dont think i will trust u just cause now even the cheaters in this games give u a well done.

That says something though. Something big, and I wish you'd grasp the meaning too.

If u leaked info u hurted our comunity and pa even more

No. Absolutely wrong.

Your 'community' hurt this community, not xtothez. And he hardly hurt this community by his actions.

sure i would maybe leak info too but i always tried to solve the problems and i just got the info some1 accidentaly pasted u got really all info from our server and u exactely knew who all the BC's/HC's were.

On the one hand, it would have been ideal if xtothez had given you all the proof you needed to realize your members were cheaters, but in hindsight, from reading your posts, it's clear you would have done precisely **** all to stop them. Afterall, they are your friends...

If u already planed to leave us i can imagine u wanted to grab some cookies for your efforts.

Cheap shot, irrelevant, and something anyone with half a brain would have done anyway.

Btw whats is with the thing of not reporting an ely member/officer who cheated and u knew it?
Congrats on the Promotion in elysium

I can admit I know of at least a hand full of people and galaxies who cheated and I never said a word, despite all the proof I could have gathered. Your words are mute; xtothez, in my eyes, has taken the steps to "make right what was wrong" including the times he never reported cheaters when he should have. What have you done lately?

and btw no need to say: " i didnt spy" think noone who knows u from the ouzo web will trust u

Once more, why should he care? It's not as if he can trust anyone from OuZo anyway, let alone anyone else in this game. Especially when someone like you so readily supports his members and their 'habits' so freely.

[xtothez]

Originally posted by Sjor
Give me one reason to trust u by reporting nacho and meddy u broke something u agreed as u joined OuZo and that is freinds > *.

If that was true they wouldnt lie to us.

Originally posted by Sjor
Fact is u were checking the Launch TImes u had all coords u had logs of all channels all plans as u were teh master of Fortress <-- The BOT

"Fact is"?

I dont see any facts there. You even admit here than other people leaked info:

Originally posted by Sjor
There was much leaking in the xraid channel
/me looks @ werewolf
but he leaked only some info in R9.5

Originally posted by Sjor
If u leaked info u hurted our comunity and pa even more
sure i would maybe leak info too but i always tried to solve the problems and i just got the info some1 accidentaly pasted u got really all info from our server and u exactely knew who all the BC's/HC's were. If u already planed to leave us i can imagine u wanted to grab some cookies for your efforts.

I dont really want to spend several lines describing your lack evidence, bias and how insulted I feel, so I'll stick with a nice and simple
**** you

Originally posted by Sjor
Btw whats is with the thing of not reporting an ely member/officer who cheated and u knew it?

Nick please? In the past I have removed Ely members guily of cheating as they were closed. Give me a name and evidence and I will do so again. Otherwise you cant just make up events, and claim I knew about them to make me look bad. Logic doesnt work like that.

Originally posted by Sjor
and btw no need to say: " i didnt spy" think noone who knows u from the ouzo web will trust u

Of course they wont trust me if you keep posting this ****

[Sjor]

where have we/i lied to u?

and i cba to get evidence if u leaked info i dont care about the game all i care is ouzo and friends.

and i admited other ppl leaked info but they leaked infos they got in the chanels they were
u can also leak infos from channels u aint and even from pm
OR AM I WRONG? :eek:

[Doorsdown]

Originally posted by ComradeRob
Perhaps these are simply the problems you get when BGs start acting like alliances.

Having their own private server with 150 people on it... all from different alliances... it seems quite obvious that a lot of conflicts of interest will emerge. Even if it's just little things like people tipping off members of their alliance about incoming that they will get, or abusing their positions to protect members of their alliance from BG attacks, it still makes it difficult for such a large group to operate when everyone in it has split loyalties.

If you had become a full alliance, and enforced a single-alliance-only rule on your members, you would not have had this problem. BGs are often blamed for reducing alliance loyalty, but the same works in reverse also.

this is why some alliances, including mine have a NO BG or other alliances rule.

[Fifth_teletubbie]

Originally posted by Doorsdown
this is why some alliances, including mine have a NO BG or other alliances rule.

I think nos made a very smart decision there.

[Supernova9]

Originally posted by Sjor
where have we/i lied to u?

By not disclosing the fact that they were cheating perhaps? That's lying by omission.

and i cba to get evidence if u leaked info

"You have sexual relations with your parents. I cba to get evidence, but because I say it it's blatantly true." Can't you see how ridiculous that is?

i dont care about the game all i care is ouzo and friends.

Without the game there would be no ouzo and friends. try remembering that perhaps?

and i admited other ppl leaked info but they leaked infos they got in the chanels they were
u can also leak infos from channels u aint and even from pm
OR AM I WRONG? :eek:

YES, YOU MAY WELL BE.

[HobbieRogue4]

Originally posted by Sjor
i dont care about the game all i care is ouzo and friends.

You really couldn't make anything more obvious than that, trust me.

[Norseman]

first time ive been on the pa-forum for half a year and this I read

My deepest respect xtothez

[Doorsdown]

Originally posted by Fifth_teletubbie
I think nos made a very smart decision there.

that they did

[BLACK_OPPS]

think you ran in to an intrestion postion in ethics here you violated peoples privacy for the sake of your suspistion alltho it was proved true in the end the violation of peoples privacy has left you in an aquward postion if your suspistion was proved false then your invasion of the people you calls friends privacy was totaly out of line

so should you have done it to satsfy a "suspistion" ?


i honestly belive that a persons right to privacy comes under human rights and doing sutch things to my friends i would say is unquestaiabley dishonest what your friends was doing was wrong but i would have gone about this in a diffrent way


think you realy do need to ask you self when the praise was over for getting the hated cheats is who would be the people who stand by you ?


friends perhaps ? same people you did this to ?
and this is not just the cheating ones you invaded the privacy of every person on that network not just the cheaters those were your friends you have done them a grate dishonor


i wont condone the actions of the cheaters but your actions were no more honrable than theres

[Mistwraith]

Originally posted by Kileman
Planetarion uses journal entrys, private msgs, forum posts etc to close planets. They are 'allowed' to read them, despite any privacy that may be 'violated'. Basically if you use someones services, nothing is private, and if you havent realised that there is no such thing as security or privacy on the net... then its your own fault you got caught.

Thats not the the point Kileman, we all know that, anyone stupid enough to use those methods to convey private messages they dont want read deserves their fate, those people on that server didnt have a clue, so therefore could have said possibly embarrasing personal info in pm's and have had it read, sheer luck that the person reading it didnt use it if it was there is on their side, it should not be like that tho, private servers are for people who place trust in each other to be in a BG/alliance together, there should be and must be other ways to prove any cheating and/or spying by anyone suspected.

Its like sending a private letter through the postal service and having your postman read it before he drops it through your letter box.

[HobbieRogue4]

Originally posted by Pookie
...so therefore could have said possibly embarrasing personal info in pm's and have had it read...

Let's put it this way: if something is so 'embarrassing' why tell anyone? Apparently, the 'need' to tell someone something of that nature obviously makes it not half as bad as you'd make it out to be. You're telling someone, right?

Everyone knows that the only way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone. If you tell someone, gee, it's not a secret anymore now is it?

Let alone go into a definition of 'private' heh.

...private servers are for people who place trust in each other to be in a BG/alliance together...

And O B V I O U S L Y not breaking the rules of Planetarion, let alone having your so-called friends 'condoning' it too is included in the trust factor, right?

Right?

...there should be and must be other ways to prove any cheating and/or spying by anyone suspected.

There are. It's called "reporting friends" something the likes of, oh I don't know, 'Sjor' types simply aren't willing to do, thus leaving others, such as xthotez left to handle a very simple procedure himself.

Each post by various "friends" of the said cheaters further proves there's a blatant lack of respect for decent players and this very game institution itself by the said represented "battlegroups."

All hail Planetarion's latest form of deplorableness, battlegroups.

Its like sending a private letter through the postal service and having your postman read it before he drops it through your letter box.

What if that letter contained anthrax?*

*So long as everyone wants to play 'Analogy Night' in the living room this evening.

[Mistwraith]

Everyone knows that the only way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone. If you tell someone, gee, it's not a secret anymore now is it?

A problem shared is a problem halved, and the easiest way to share a problem is to faceless person in text, thats why theres so many dear john letters.

What if that letter contained anthrax?*

ok i didnt say that.. i said opened by your postman b4 he drops it through your letterbox not opened at the mail source by a special team about which u are informed.. would the people that were having theese conversations informed they were being read or had been read if no proof of cheating had occurred ?

[Sjor]

he used his powers to find the cheaters he could also easly abused his powers to gather mass intel which we had on this server

[Aryn]

alright
i'm sure we've had quite enough of this by now.

if you people wouldn't cheat than we wouldn't be in this mess now would we?